Motei Cosmin , Sep 27, 2004; 09:43 a.m.
i found out here that 20D has a shutter lifetime of 50000 shots. is it
true? i just can't believe it. maybe it's 500000 not 50000.
thank you.
Bob Atkins 

, Sep 27, 2004; 09:50 a.m.
50,000 is typical for consumer grade EOS bodies - and the 20D is a consumer body.
If you want more, the new $8000 1Ds Mark II has a shutter rated for 200,000 cycles.
Shutter replacement runs about $250, assuming parts are available. If your 20D shutter dies in 10 years time, you may not be able to replace it, but that applies to any camera I guess.
50,000 cycles is the same as about 1400 rolls of 36 exp film, which shot at a roll each day, every day, would take you almost 4 years to shoot (and at least $10,000 to purchase and process).
For 95% of users, shutter lifetime will never be a problem. For the other 5%, a $250 replacement cost shouldn't be an issue.
Motei Cosmin , Sep 27, 2004; 09:57 a.m.
but i don't get it.
a nikon D70 has a shutter lifetime of 150.000 as far as i know.
you die with the camera on your neck. why 50.000?
if i am doing serious work in 6 months my camera will be out.
let's say i will be a good sport photographer. let's say i will take aproximately 300 shots per day (one day more, one day less).
in 365 days i will take 109500 shots.
and i don't think that here in romania i will find a place to replace the shutter and if i will it would probably cost me 500$ not 250$.
so why would i buy a 20D to use it a half a year?
James Castagno , Sep 27, 2004; 10:14 a.m.
If you are a sports photographer that will be shooting at least 300 frames a day you should be buying a pro camera to begin with.
Mark U 
, Sep 27, 2004; 10:18 a.m.
Actually the 50,000 figure is marked with a ? as a guess in the reference you cite. I don't think Canon have formally given a figure, but have suggessted that the life should be double that of a 10D (again no formal figure). I think the guess should probably be at least 100,000 rather than 50,000, based on observed lives of 10D bodies to date.
Larry McGarity , Sep 27, 2004; 01:01 p.m.
I recently read somewhere about an old Nikon with over a million shots on the original shutter that was still going strong.
I will stipulate that its unreasonable to expect "consumer" cameras to last that long. But a life expectancy for a shutter mechanism of no more than 50,000 shots is truly pathetic no matter how anyone tries to sugar coat it.
Bob Atkins 

, Sep 27, 2004; 01:14 p.m.
50,000 shots is WAY more than most consumers will ever take with a camera.
I think I read somewhere that the average consumer shoots a couple of rolls each year. Even if you shoot 100 rolls each year a 50,000 cycle shutter will last you 12 years.
All shutter life specs are estimates. I know of a couple of EOS D30 bodies which wore out their shutters in 30,000 cycles and I know of an EOS-3 that went for over 400,000 cycles. The specs are just an estimate. Nobody knows for sure how long any given shutter will last.
I'm sure some shutters may last for a million cycles (just like some Volvos may run for 1 million miles), but they're the exception.
Motei Cosmin , Sep 27, 2004; 01:19 p.m.
so you suggest that i should expect the shutter life to be at least 100000 shots (at least 150000 i am expecting)
Guy Hammond , Sep 27, 2004; 01:22 p.m.
Kodak estimated that the average film camera owner shoots 5 rolls a year. Canon reckons that the average digital owner shoots 5x as much as a film camera owner. 25*36=900.
I've observed friends of mine who own digital cameras but are not really photographers. They'll get groups together and take "say cheese" shots, and do the occasional shot of a landmark or something. In the mean time, with candid people shots, multiple angles, focal lengths, filters on said landmarks, etc, I've probably blasted through 2, 3 or 4 rolls of film in the same time period. Relative to "serious" photographers, people simply don't shoot that much, even when with a digital camera shots are "free".
Sheldon Hambrick , Sep 27, 2004; 01:27 p.m.
"so you suggest that .."
We suggest that you use it till it breaks ;-)