Diogo Castro Santos , Apr 30, 2007; 11:20 a.m.
Hi folks, this is my first post here so please bear with me and my newbie ways
for a moment.
I currently own a black EOS 300D (Rebel Digital) that came with the usual EF
18-55 f/3.5-5.6 kit lens. This lens however is becoming increasingly problematic
and is almost unusable at focal lenghts below 35mm, when it locks up the shutter
and causes the dreaded ERR99.
I knew this was coming bcause the zoom action has become a lot "harder" below
35mm recently. These plastic things have shorter lives after all.
Anyway, I'm looking for a replacement because the 18-55 is my only zoom lens (I
also have an EF 50mm f/1.8 "I" which cost more than it was worth). Ideally I'd
get an EF 17-40 f/4 L but I just can't justify the price at the moment. We don't
live in an ideal world so I need something cheap.
I've been offered a new-old-stock EF 22-55 f/4-5.6 USM lens for a reasonable
price at my local photo store. It's brand new lens, sealed in box, but a
discontinued design that used to be sold with the EOS IX series (APS). I haven't
been able to find proper reviews of this lens anywhere, photozone.de doesn't
even have it listed there. Now I KNOW it's a cheap, slow, plasticky kit zoom,
but since I need to replace my cheap, slow, plasticky, broken kit zoom, here are
a few questions:
1. After accounting for the more limited zoom range (35-88 vs. 28-88mm
equiv.), how does the EF 22-55 compare with the EF 18-55 in terms of overall
picture quality?
2. Would I be losing much by choosing this lens over another 18-55 (which is
certainly going to be more expensive)?
3. Is there much of a difference between f/3.5 and f/4 at the wide end in
real-life situations?
These 18-55s from Canon, Pentax and especially Nikon have been receiving decent
reviews, hence my hesitation to get the 22-55. Please let me know what you guys
think.
Thanks in advance!
Daniel D , Apr 30, 2007; 11:57 a.m.
Why is a 18-55 going to be more expensive? If you look at the prices they go for on ebay I can't think of a cheaper lens than that.
I can't comment on the image quality of the two but there is quite a difference between 18mm and 22mm at the wide end.
Just buy another 18-55. When you get some more money look at the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8
Diogo Castro Santos , Apr 30, 2007; 12:06 p.m.
Thanks Daniel, but things aren't that easy. I'm in Brazil, not the U.S., so if I buy a 18-55 off eBay it'll end up costing more than anything I can get locally because of all the import taxes (over 100%). And 18-55s aren't easy to come by over here, not without buying a new camera anyway.
I'm aware of the FOV difference. In case I get the 22-55 I'd budget for an EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM in the next few months.
Please keep ending your opinions! Thanks!
Diogo Castro Santos , Apr 30, 2007; 12:07 p.m.
keep SSSSSending. Bad keyboard, sorry!
Daniel D , Apr 30, 2007; 01:15 p.m.
Sorry Diogo, I didn't realize your problem. Those taxes are a killer.
If you are on a budget the 22-55 could be a reasonable alternative to the 18-55. I must say I don't have experience with either of them, but people say that the 18-55 is quite good for its class.
If I were in your place I'd give up on the 10-22 as it is quite expensive (possibly even more so in Brazil?) and look at some alternative (Sigma 10-20) to free up some cash for a better mid-range zoom. But that depends a lot on your shooting priorities (and also local prices).
Could you test the 22-55 in the shop before purchasing? If you could take some pictures at various apertures you could compare with the 18-55 (see www.pixelpeeper.com for samples) and decide from there... In the end having a lens is better lens than no lens at all, so if those are your choices then just get something that works.
Bruce C , Apr 30, 2007; 02:58 p.m.
Diogo Castro Santos , Apr 30, 2007; 03:06 p.m.
Thanks for the link, in fact I was aware of that thread but it doesn't quite answer my specific questions regarding the 22-55's performance when compared to an 18-55 and whether I'd be losing out on image quality by moving to the EF 22-55 f/4-5.6 USM from the kit lens.
Puppy Face , Apr 30, 2007; 03:38 p.m.
The 22-55 was popular as a cheap wide zoom for FF film in 7 or 8 years ago. Lots of people
used it on the Elan 7/EOS 30 and were happy with it. I considered one but decided to go with
the 17-40 L instead.
Bruce C , Apr 30, 2007; 03:40 p.m.
Sorry. A direct comparison would indeed be ideal, but in its absence vicarious inference might be the best you can get :-)
Given the similar function of both lenses for APS-C sized formats and Bob Atkins' comment, I would guess they are of comparable quality. If the 22-55 is significantly cheaper than a replacement 18-55, and if you get some kind of warranty on the former, then its probably a good deal.
Look at it another way: What alternative do you have?
The half-stop difference in speed doesn't matter, but as noted the difference in range on the low end might matter to some shooters -- but apparently not to you.
If you want a lens right away and don't want to spend much, the 22-55 seems OK. If you can wait until you can afford it, the aforementioned Tamron 17-50 has a good reputation. It might be worth the wait. But if you can budget for the 10-22 in a few months, then it would seem to me you could budget for the Tamron in just a month or less. Heck, you could just as easily budget for the 17-85 IS, which I use and like despite the sniffy attitude of some lens purists hereabouts :-)
Grant Gaborno , Apr 30, 2007; 06:45 p.m.
I'd say that the 22-55 compares to the 18-55 in almost every way. Plastic body, plastic mount, front focusing ring, 58mm filter... The 22-55 however, has a fixed rear element and works on FF without modification.
I wouldn't pay more than $45 for one that is NOS...more than that and I'd just get another 18-55 used for $50-60.
hth