Kevin B. , Oct 11, 2009; 03:38 p.m.
The camera has been released for almost 2 weeks. How long does it take for full reviews to come out? Is this typical? I am specifically talking about online sites like photo.net, the-digital-picture, dpreview. etc...
Puppy Face , Oct 11, 2009; 06:33 p.m.
I'd think a meaningful in depth review requires 3 or 4 weeks of hard shooting under diverse conditions, a bunch of lenses and with all major features. Plus, there is the issue of RAW drivers for the major convertors. Only DPP is fully functional last time I checked. Everything is still beta or yet to be released.
I can send ya a dozen photos of a white wall and the inside of my lens cap. So far so good. Just jerkin' your chain...
Philip Wilson 
, Oct 11, 2009; 08:57 p.m.
Puppy if you update Photoshop with RAw 5.5 it will open the full size RAW file (the medium size one is not yet supported). See my earlier comments and comp to the 1DIIN. The 7D is a mixed bag - world class AF and very fast frame rate and write speed with UDMA) good build and well featured. Quality is great (with good glass) up to ISO 400, ISO 800 is usable but after this it starts to fall apart quite quickly. If you want to shoot sports on a budget and don't really need to push the ISO then this is a great body. If you want high ISO or top image quality then the 5DII is better. If you do not need either of these then perhaps a 50D or 40D is good enough and saves you a lot.
http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00UiAE
Jim Strutz - Anchorage, AK
, Oct 11, 2009; 10:34 p.m.
Last I heard, Photoshop's ACR was a beta version for the 7D, and image quality was still poor. Using Canon's DPP was the only way to get good high ISO results. Anyone know if that has changed in the last week? Since most reviewers want to standardize their image quality tests with Photoshop ACR, there likely won't be any complete tests from these reviewers until Adobe finalizes ACR.
Michael Willems , Oct 12, 2009; 12:21 a.m.
Puppy Face , Oct 12, 2009; 01:27 a.m.
Quality is great (with good glass) up to ISO 400, ISO 800 is usable but after this it starts to fall apart quite quickly.
I suppose it depends on your subject, print size and standards--pixel peeping, bank murals or modest prints--but I found ISO 800 truly excellent and certainly a full stop better than the 50D and 40D. I tried ISO 1600 and 3200 for night scenes--lots of shadows and low mids. Full screen on my Cinema Display the noise is apparent at 3200 but cleans up nicely. What's amazing is it looks clean and noiseless at 8x12 print sizes. That's the largest size paper size I have (had to cut it from a roll of Epson Premium Glossy paper). Beyond 3200 it was too noisy for my taste.
However, if you are shooting in good light and need high ISO for sports with a big tele, the noise is much less and using ISO 1600 or 3200 look close to ISO 400 and 800 on XXD cameras a few generations back. I recall noise at ISO 800 on my 10D looked like pebbles...
Madza Zulu , Oct 12, 2009; 07:24 a.m.
7D is a stop worse than 5D II.
Philip Wilson 
, Oct 12, 2009; 11:15 a.m.
Puppy - it really is a standards issue. The 7D is the first APS-C body I have owned (except a Rebel the kids use) so I am comparing it to the 5DII and the 1DIIN and it is clearly worse than those two. In my side by side tests it is about 2 stops worse than the 1DIIN and slightly more compared to the 5DII. I think 800 is workable at ISO 800 for 11x17 and ISO 1600 at about 8x12. It is clear that the RAW conversion in DPP is slightly better than the beta version in ACR 5.5 (note the body is not listed as being supported in ACR5.5 but there is a rtesponse to a questioon on the Adobe website that says it is). It is not fully supported in ACR as I want to see what medium RAW looks like as it appears better than full size RAW when I use DPP. I would really like to be able to get good images at ISO 1600 for sports use - the AF is great on this body.
All of my comments (like those of others) are subjcetive but it would be great if others posted their comps rather than just made statements like "the 7D is great at ISO 6400" or the "7D is a stop worse than the 5DII". I shoot both the 5DII and the 7D and have posted my shots - you can clearly see that at high ISO there is a massive (over 2 stop) difference between the 5DII and the 7D. Madza - you keep making statements like this but as I asked the last time you said it post some shots to prove it. perhaps just as Robert Medina had a 7D with bad AF I may have one with poor high ISO performance.
Michael Willems , Oct 12, 2009; 10:39 p.m.
Michael Willems , Oct 12, 2009; 10:39 p.m.
(And a fuller "first impressions" at the top)