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5D II or 600D+ up to 2999$ for lenses Weddings

Nathaniel Geller , Feb 02, 2012; 03:33 a.m.

I have thinking really a lot these days for upgrading my equipment! Thank you very much in advance you are really helping me!
I'm planning to do WEDDING photography as second photographer(the first has 5D2 + 24-105L +50 1.8+ 100 macro + 70-300 non L and Rebel backup body, 430 EX II).
I have a budget 2000 - 3000$ for new purchases and currently I own 600D+ Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 OS +50 1.8, 430 EX II)
I have 2 Main Choices:
1/ Get 5D2 and keep 600d as backup(I have to sell Sigma 17-70, maybe also the Tokina 11-16)
1.1 I got offer for 5d2 brand new for 2000$.
1.2. Get 24-105L Used for 900$
1.3 up to 500$ cash for other lenses(used 17-40,70-300 non L...).

2/. Keep the 600D body (I can rent for free similar back up body for the day ) and get the best possible lenses (used) for 2000-3000$.
2.1. Get 24L II (used) for 1400$ + my 50 1.8 +85 1.8 (used) for 400$ + up to 1000$ cash
2.2. Get 70-200 2.8 IS II new for 2400$ + up to 500$ cash
3.3. If you have other suggestions, please write them - lensnes up to 2999$ (used or new)!

I have a bunch of dilemmas in my head and I have to made my choice very soon. Also I'm thinking to made the best choice in order to be the most supportive the first photographer equipment(5D2+24-105...). Now I'm 27 and I want to work professionally in photography. My very best photos are in landscape photography. I have 1 approximately year experience with DSLRs and post processing applications . The prices above are the current I an find in Bulgaria. Please, help me to make the right choice! THANK YOU! :)
Nick

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Yakim Peled , Feb 02, 2012; 04:11 a.m.

There is no one right answer for your question so my advice to you is to go to the first photographer and ask him what does he think. If he thinks the files from your 600D is good enough for him then upgrade your lenses. Otherwise, upgrade your body.

But a more important question is why do you want to upgrade at all? What do you want to do today that your current gear does not allow you to? After all, you've already got some nice gear. Maybe (just maybe) a gear upgrade is not necessary at all but a photographer upgrade?

Based on the info above my first instinct is to tell you to buy nothing. Shoot for several weddings and see/feel for yourself what is missing. Either that or get an advice from the first photographer. As he is your bread provider his opinion is the only one that's important.

All the best.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Nathaniel Geller , Feb 02, 2012; 06:03 a.m.

Thank you very much, Yakim! You post have very good psychological insights and points!:)
I want to upgrade because I want to develop my passionate hobby in profession(I don't want to work in law sphere in which I'm graduated ). Photography is one of the most competitive areas and I think that with better equipment it will be easier to me. At the same time I've got money,which I don't use and the inflation slowly eats them.
We discussed a lot the topic with the first photographer, he said it's up to my choice to make the final decision. He thinks that 600d is good enough when used with 430 EX II (ISO 800 will be sufficient in most of the cases).
I'm working hard to upgrade my photographer skills and I think the better equipment will be helpful.Important to me is getting equipment with very good RESALE VALUE (5d2 new for 1900$ is excellent deal, in the stores here it is 2550$). Also I know trusted dealer from which I get like new used lenses on very good prices.Later, at every moment, after a lot of trust work, I can get at least 85-90% of the price paid.
I haven't got experience with wedding photography, the first photographer said it's fully my choice.
If I have choice I'll buy things step by step.But the excellent 1900$ offer for 5d2 probably will be actual up to 1-2 days (I have info in advance). So the main choices are in the two directions:
1/ Get 5D2 and keep 600d as backup(I have to sell Sigma 17-70 OS, maybe also the Tokina 11-16)
2/Keep the 600D body equipment and get the best possible lenses (used) for up to 2999$. Step by step. My proirity are lenses which have better potential to BRING ME BACK THE INVESTMENT(slowly or part of it.). Therefore my eye was toward 24L and 70-200 2.8 IS II. I think that 85 1.8 is helpful and a bargain also.WHICH LENSES if you were in my place will be your suggestions?
THANK YOU in advance for THE RESPONSES, I HAVE TO MAKE DECISION UP TO 1-2 DAYS about the MAIN DIRECTION(5D II or 600D + excellent upgrade for lenses) IF YOU ARE SHORT OF TIME, JUST DROP 1-2 LINES, PLEASE :)

Yakim Peled , Feb 02, 2012; 06:13 a.m.

If it is so I'd sell the 600D, 17-70 and 11-16 and get the 5D2 + 24-105. That, plus your 430EX should do very well. As a second photographer I doubt if you'll need more. And while backup is a very important thing to have for a wedding photographer, in this particular case you could use the first photographer's backup if anything happens.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Mark Anthony Kathurima , Feb 02, 2012; 07:32 a.m.

Based on the info above my first instinct is to tell you to buy nothing.

I totally agree with that. Equipment is very dependent on style. First develop your style, gain some wedding experience and then decide that you want to add or remove.

Marcus Ian , Feb 02, 2012; 07:33 a.m.

If you are concerned so much about resale value, upgrading your lenses is going to be the 'best' choice. Of course if you are serious and intent upon pursuing this goal, resale value shouldn't matter two snots to you. Afterall, a camera & lenses are for taking pictures - they've never made good investment pieces. Even a 5D2 you should expect to loose half it's resale value over the next few years.

Personally, I would recommend the good glass. The 11-16/2.8 is an excellent UWA lens, and that, paired w/ a decent 17-55/2.8 IS (or 17-50/2.8) will give you a high degree of coverage w/ exceptional IQ. Pairing that w/ a 70-200/2.8 will cover the entire range you could ever realistically want at a wedding. Toss in a couple primes, and that's all you could want. Plus, as I said, the lenses loose value at much lower rate than camera bodies - Unless you buy used (such as a 5D1).

Sarah Fox , Feb 02, 2012; 09:23 a.m.

You ask for opinions, and our opinions are simply what WE would do. Everyone has somewhat different needs, related to their different styles. However, if I were assembling the outfit:

I'd want the 5DII for its low light capabilities and also to take full advantage of the availability of L optics in general.

I'd probably want a 24-70/2.8L, rather than the 24-105/4L (which I prefer for my own work), for its lower light capabilities and shallower depth of field. For wedding photography, the field curvature of the 24-70 would not be as serious an issue as for landscape work. This would be a hard choice for me. I think the IS of the 24-105 might be more useful in some situations -- e.g. flash-prohibited ceremonies, where people aren't exactly jumping around. Also if you have a 24-105 on a full frame and a 70-200 on your crop frame brackup, both hanging around your neck at the same time, you've got a nice continuity of focal length without changing lenses. Just a thought. Too bad there's not a 24-70/2.8L IS.

I'd want the 70-200/2.8L IS, as it's a brilliant portrait lens. It would be truly awful to have to go hiking with one of those things, but for a wedding, it's a good choice.

I'd want some sort of mirrorless camera. I hate mirrorless cameras; however, I remember photographing a wedding in which the bride and groom told me I could do photography during the ceremony without flash, and the church told me I could not do any photography AT ALL during the ceremony because of the noise of my camera (a DSLR). If I had only had a mirrorless camera, I could have shot the ceremony silently and had at least SOMETHING to show the bride and groom.

I would have no need for a 24mm prime. The 24mm end of either the 24-70 or 24-105 would be fine for photographing the reception. I would certainly not use 24mm for photographing the bride/groom/family, because even small distortions that appear inconsequential to you can look horrible to your subjects. By contrast, small distortions in the guests' images won't matter as much to your clients. I still avoid wide angle photography of people wherever possible.

Forget the 50/1.8. It's not really as good a lens as people like to think. Sure, it's sharp in the middle, but it could do better wide open, could have better edge sharpness, and could have better bokeh. It also focuses like a cheap electric drill. Instead, I'd get the 50/1.4 if you want a fast normal prime.

Rather than the 85/1.8, I'd get the 100/2. It's a similar lens, but IMO a slightly better focal length for full frame head/shoulders portrait work.

Although you don't need backup equipment now (because YOU are the primary photog's backup), I'd think in terms of an older APS-C XXD backup, which will have a user interface somewhat like the 5DII. Using a Rebel series camera is a frustrating experience if you're used to Canon's prosumer bodies. I have a 40D as my backup camera. It takes nice pictures, and I bought it rather inexpensively.

With that, you will have a nicer outfit than the primary photog. ;-) There are items here that are essential and items that are not. Personally, I'd forget the primes and get the essential zooms and the 5DII for now. If you can't afford the zooms and the 5DII, get a 5D instead.

Finally, I would google and study the strobist blog. He's got an excellent small flash lighting tutorial that will give you ideas about the other critical, usually neglected end of photography, which is your light. If you want to shine as a photographer, get the light right.

Nathaniel Geller , Feb 02, 2012; 02:16 p.m.

I appreciate your responses and points of view very much- Mark, Marcus, Sarah! Now I see the things more clearly :)
1.So, covering the whole range with good zooms maybe is better for not so expirienced photographer. I like the Marcus suggestion to take 11-16 + 17-55(or 17-50)+ 70-200 2.8. What couple of primes if I cover all with that zooms are your suggestions?
2. I prefer 5D2+ 24-105 than 24-70 because I travel a lot and it's more versatile.
3. When flash use is possible with for e.g. 600d+ 17-55IS, weather 5D2+24-105 high ISO capabilities are giving additional plus?(Maybe it will be more comfortable with 5d2 for the wedding guests using less of the flash power)
4. Please, share me how useful is 70-200 2.8 on crop body indoors?
GREAT Insights, Sarah, I read your post 3 times to understand your explanation better!

I'm not sure weather I'll be able to get new 5D2 for 1900$ soon, and that is one of my main points to buy it- Main Choice 1/. Of course it's more safe to wait and upgrade more gradually after gaining experience. But in my country the used 5d2 are at that price and that stimulate me to get it. On the other hand if soon 5D3 is shipped to Europe it may be not so good deal.Do you expect soon 5d2 prices to drop also? THANK YOU!

Gil Pruitt , Feb 02, 2012; 03:59 p.m.

Either get another 600D or a 60D. Get a 580EX II plus an 85mm 1.8 lens. If you really like the quality of the 17-70mm keep it and use it for weddings and events otherwise get a Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 constant aperture non VC lens and maybe eventually the Canon 70-200mm or even the Tamron 70-300mm to use from the back of the church sometimes. When you start making a lot of money maybe think about upgrading to full frame but meantime you should be able to shoot weddings very well with the 18mp APS-C cameras with good technique. Good luck!

Yakim Peled , Feb 02, 2012; 05:39 p.m.

On the other hand if soon 5D3 is shipped to Europe it may be not so good deal.

 
That's a very big if. Canon is notorious in keeping its secrets so nobody knows nothing. Thus I would strongly advise you not to even think about future products, their rumored/speculated specification, their rumored/speculated launching date, their rumored/speculated price and how they can fit in your setup.
 
I agree that it's fun to read them but the wise man will ignore them altogether when making a buying decision.
 
Happy shooting,
Yakim.


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