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“Film is dead, it’s just there is nobody there who’d pay for the funeral”

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john robison , Jan 15, 2013; 02:36 p.m.

"Nobody actually knows, how many film supporters are left and what their numbers would be in a year."

Really!?

I would think that Ilford, Freestyle, Fuji, B&H and several other outlets and suppliers could give you some pretty good data based on sales. As for fiscal year 2014 sales, well they'll probably look at trends in the last two years and project from there.

I really think film has reached a 'steady state' with potential for some growth. The world price of silver will have an effect so I would expect prices to rise in response to that and labor and equipment replacement expense. Not as many deals but available to anyone that wants it.

Louis Meluso , Jan 15, 2013; 03:47 p.m.

Help me out here, Oleg. You recognize, from the article, that film is not really dead but still exists in a reduced state. You find current film prices too expensive and so you want to hasten the end of film photography so you can sweep in and pick up a good deal from the remains of the dead carcass so you can then shoot for a couple of years. Have I got that right?

You need to discover eBay. Last night I bought ten rolls of fresh 35mm Fujicolor 400 36 exp for $3/roll (US Dollars) with free shipping. For B&W, try buying bulk and loading your own cassettes to save money. Outdated film is also available NOW on-line at reduced prices if you hunt around the web.

Jeff Sudduth , Jan 15, 2013; 08:24 p.m.

I am not shooting now because I can't Ilford it.

B&H Fuji Acros 120 roll $3.25 (it was $3 at Adorama last year)

Rodinal $13.99 Depending on how you shoot one bottle lasts YEARS.

120 C-41 processing at Walmart 88¢ WTF?! How cheap does it have to be for people to stop making excuses?!

Oleg, how much is your monthly cell phone bill? How much is you monthly cable bill? I picked up a complete mint Rollei 6008i camera with multiple accessories for a little of $1,000. That is nuts. When in the history of photography have you ever seen prices like this. When? Give me a year.

Philip Wilson , Jan 15, 2013; 11:36 p.m.

Dead,like the LP ! Mind you LP sales are rising while Cd sales are falling rapidly! People still like the alternative of analogue media

Philip Wilson , Jan 15, 2013; 11:37 p.m.

Dead,like the LP ! Mind you LP sales are rising while Cd sales are falling rapidly! People still like the alternative of analogue media

Marc Todd , Jan 16, 2013; 01:07 a.m.

There are those that say that adjusted for inflation (US dollars) film is actually cheaper now then it was in the pre-digital days. Whatever the case, the rise in film costs to consumers has a lot to do with the cost of silver steadily increasing over the past few years, or at least that is what Illford, Adox, and other companies have stated. I'm sure there are other factors but I cannot say what those may be. As long as I can afford to buy film, chems, and paper, I will keep shooting film.

Q.G. de Bakker , Jan 16, 2013; 02:01 a.m.

Oleg,

You apparantly can't buy film. So for you film is dead. Live with it.
The rest of us will happily go on with our lives too. Using film.
"Let's call a cat a cat", and a troll a troll, indeed.

Oleg Andriyenko , Jan 16, 2013; 02:18 a.m.

@Louis Meluso
Yes, you got it right. After having made a bit of my own research I started to think that film may be already phased out by Fuji and Kodak (probably, not yet by Ilford and Foma) and what they sell to us is actually the remaining stock that these "manufacturers" simply repack.
As to the prices: I have a misfortune to live in a third world country, first point. There is no much use to buy film from USA dealers and to ship it dearly to my place. Rodinal is cheap, but, luckily, in my country the chemical industry is overdeveloped and I can by raw chemicals to do my own B&W. So, what is missing? Paper. No paper, no film scanner. I can go hang. Just to mention it: one box of god knows how outdated Foma (10 sheets) costs HALF of my monthly salary. But even if it cost one-fifth's, it would be unreasonable because of only 10 sheets 30X40cm in the box. Normal production flow even for a self-made artist requires more paper.
Resuming all this I would like to stress one point: there may actually be so few film followers in the world, that they already do not need film to be produced anymore. They could be shooting the actual film stock till the end of their days. But commerce thinks differently. They will be selling you whatever you will be buying. And this doesn't necessarily mean that someone will be PRODUCING it.
"Oleg, how much is your monthly cell phone bill? How much is you monthly cable bill? I picked up a complete mint Rollei 6008i camera with multiple accessories for a little of $1,000. That is nuts. When in the history of photography have you ever seen prices like this. When? Give me a year."

This is another question. Cameras CAN cost big money. It is normal. The abnormal situation is the one where you buy Rollei 6008 for $1000 and I gather money to buy Contax RTS-III for $250. Because, at today's film rates, and seeing how they are changing, the rationale for it would be very far-stretched.

Oleg Andriyenko , Jan 16, 2013; 02:52 a.m.

And when you divide $3.25 per 12 you get roughly $0.30 per 1 button pressing, which is cool. I just can't find a place in today's world where I can boast that I spend $0.30 every time I press the button.
Just for general information. I am over 40 and I caught the vanishing tail of the USSR glory, when I was 18. I could have silver rich film and paper by the stone because they were actually produced in MY TOWN and close nearby! . And, having once compared the quality of this 1990 paper to Adox Nuance, I should say that TODAY I would prefer the former.

Oleg Andriyenko , Jan 16, 2013; 03:10 a.m.

""""You apparantly can't buy film. So for you film is dead. Live with it. The rest of us will happily go on with our lives too. Using film. "Let's call a cat a cat", and a troll a troll, indeed.""""

I want excuses and I'll get them. Please make notice of this.
As it is, the situation tends to be very ironical, not to say "absurd" for YOU.
1. Film becomes more expensive every year (day?).
2. If my assumptions about Kodak and Fuji are correct, Ilford and Foma will divide the remaining market, but this doesn't mean that the prices will be lowered.
3. There is a Russian company "Tasma" which is situated in the back of beyond and still produces aerial B&W film also in 35mm perforated format.
It seems, the person who called me a troll WILL BE BUYING FILM FROM RUSSIA!


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