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sony f717 sees through clothes?

Tony Cao , Aug 10, 2004; 05:35 a.m.

i have heard that the sony digicams can see through clothes in daylight and nighttime with the IR feature, im just wondering if it's true, has anybody used that camera with that feature? should i questions ppl with those camera's pointing at other people?


Jim Gifford , Aug 10, 2004; 07:39 a.m.

That only works if you buy the special glasses, which tend to be sold discretely through small adds next to the Water Monkeys and crystal growing kits in comic books.

Beau Hooker , Aug 10, 2004; 07:47 a.m.

Hi Tony, I heard this was a problem (feature?) of earlier Sony digital cameras. Sony fixed it though, darn the luck. I believe when your F717 is in "nightshot" mode, you can't use manual settings - it's program mode only. I can't recall what model was the last one with "X-Ray vision". Best wishes . . .

Michael Houghton , Aug 10, 2004; 08:20 a.m.

I believe it was actually a sony digital video camera that exhibited this trait, but I suppose it's possible that other cameras do.

I think the effect only worked during the daytime, but I'm not really sure why.

Andrew Gardner , Aug 10, 2004; 08:33 a.m.

I don't think it was the 717 that saw through clothes...but I remember somthing about a red filter and night mode. I think it was for a Sony Handycam, not a still cam. Anyway, its probably easier to just ask people to take off their clothes if that's what you are interested in.

Speaking of Sea Monkeys, I'm pretty sure the 717 has a great macro mode for capturing their amusing antics. And with some creative lighting, you could even see through them (no X-Ray glasses needed)!

Godfrey DiGiorgi , Aug 10, 2004; 10:43 a.m.

This nonsense of "seeing through clothes" is a farce perpetrated by voyeurs and frustrated teenagers of all ages.

Some types of cloth are relatively transparent to IR light, usually thin nylons and acrylics used in swimwear and such. So with a camera that is sensitive to IR light and has an IR projection lamp in it, you might see a little more of that boy's penis you want or that girl's boobs that you will never touch. Of course, they're wearing some skimpy, clingy, stretchy lingerie or swimwear and showing them off to all and sundry anyway so normal people just admire their good looks and don't slobber all over their cameras dreaming out their sexual frustration.


Denis Bergeron , Aug 10, 2004; 10:50 a.m.

This is an old feature of early sony camsorder when on nightshoot mode in manual during daytime, and work only with nylon clothes. This trick have been use long before by softpo*n editor to show a nude person in public area. How it's work : 1- Nylon are transparent to IR 2- You need a lot of IR, that why it's must be made in brigth sunligth 3- You need a way to control the sensibility. (this is the option not present in newer Sony digicam and camcorder)

it's work only with Nylon, tinny Nylon One layer of Nylon. So, if you try to use this on people not aware of it you will be block by the second layer of clothes :-)

Jim Gifford , Aug 10, 2004; 11:33 a.m.

Sorry I said Water Monkeys... fortunately another poster provided a great link to the correct critters, which are Sea Monkeys. It's been a while since I read the sort of mags that advertised those.

I also managed to get my e's in the wrong place when I said the special glasses are sold discretely. Surely they are sold discretely, but what I meant was they are sold discreetly.

Be well,

Stephen H , Aug 10, 2004; 08:58 p.m.

Tony, there are whole web sites devoted to this- they tend to call it "x-ray", not infrared. The pictures I've seen were not impressive. Yes, you might see someone's underwear, if that's a big thrill. (Assumeing you don't mind photographing scantily clad people in public places) You need a camera sensitive to IR and a filter to remove most of the visible light. Some digital cameras have IR-blocking mirrors, and don't work well. The IR filters tend to be expensive, $50-$100.

I suppose you could do the same with IR film if anyone cared to try.

And FYI, for the curious, you can find X-ray Specs at www.stupid.com.

Joe Photo , Aug 14, 2004; 07:44 a.m.

The Sony 828 has that capability when used with a 1000nm IR filter but only in certain conditions and through clothing of certain colors. I don't know that the 'nylon only' thing is true but navy blue or cobalt blue is invisible to the camera/filter combination. Some dealers you'll find on eBuy when searching for xray have websites where they show examples. The photos with the 828 are grainy and not worth the trouble. Early Sony Handicams with the Nightshot feature had this capability as well until they corrected it by making it not possible to use the feature in daylight.

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