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Best inkjet printer for black and white ?

Gus Schur , Jun 22, 2004; 01:56 p.m.

I'm planning to buy a printer that can print up to 13x19, I believe options are between epson 2200 or canon i9900, I mostly print black and white in ilford gallerie pearl paper.

what are your recommendations, experiences ? thanks !

gustavo.

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Jack Paradise , Jun 22, 2004; 04:09 p.m.

Using a color dye inkset is not the best way to print b&w. There are several problems that have been noted by users. Only HP seem to have made a breakthru printing b&w with dye inks.

For neutral b&w prints with the Epson 2200 and the original Ultrachrome color pigment inkset (UC) you will need a raster image processor (RIP) such as ImagePrint. Do a Google search. This RIP will reduce the yellow ink output for neutral b&w prints. Of course, ImagePrint will also help you with color printing.

Or, you can replace the Epson UC inkset with the UltraTones (UT7) inkset from www.inksupply.com This is a greyscale carbon pigment inkset (no color inks) that will produce long lasting b&w prints. You will not be able to print any color prints, as there is no color in the UT7 inkset.

No Canon or HP printers can use carbon or color pigments inkset.

Andrew Rodney , Jun 22, 2004; 04:27 p.m.

Get the 2200 with ImagePrint.

Rich 815 , Jun 22, 2004; 05:24 p.m.

Get the 2200 and print Black Only using Eboni black ink from MIS Associates. Using different papers you can have cool, neutral and warm results. Simple, easy, cheap and results that have a luminance and "pop" unlike any other B&W inkjet process I've seen (and I've seen quite a few). More info here: http://www.cjcom.net/articles/digiprn3.htm

Bob Michaels , Jun 22, 2004; 05:28 p.m.

Epson 1280, without a question. The prints look the same as a 2200 (I have about 50 of each from others and a ton of my own. Even experts have printed the same file on both printers and tell no difference), no need for RIP or any special software, and about 60% the price. They use the same b&w pigment inks as a 2200. Same paper. And it prints 13x19. Oh, the carts are easier to refill and CFS units are cheaper.

The only reason to buy a 2200 or 9900 would be if you must pay more money and suffer some inconveniences to feel that you have the "latest" even if there is no difference in print quality.

None of them print b&w well with the manufacturers color inks. I swear by the MIS b&w inks www.inksupply.com

Save the money on the printer. Spend it on film, ink and paper. You'll have better prints.

Bob Michaels , Jun 22, 2004; 05:39 p.m.

Let me second Richard Sintchak's comment about printing with the MIS Eboni black ink only. I print the same way.

I have some of Richard's prints. They are incredible. But the reason his prints look better than mine is because he's a better photographer and printer than I, not because he has a 2200 and I have a 1280. Richard's great prints on his old 1160 proved to me that it's not the model printer but the person printing.

Brandon Hamilton , Jun 22, 2004; 07:58 p.m.

epson 7600 :)

Gus Schur , Jun 22, 2004; 08:47 p.m.

Thanks for all the answers, so now, with standard inks and standard software (phtooshop, canon, epson, etc) what would be the better approach ?

I understand that printing with MIS inks and RIP software is the best and looks like a PRO, but I really don't have time for that, what would be the best results using standard resources ? thanks very much ! Gustavo.

Gustavo.

Rich 815 , Jun 22, 2004; 08:52 p.m.

Gustavo, did you read my link for BO printing above? It requires NO extra software, no RIPS, and only the purchase of a single different black ink cart than the Epson one, otherwise you still use all the other Epson OEM ink carts. It truly is the simplest, cheapest and easiest way to darn good, no-magenta-or-green-cast, B&W printing. Go read that link! :-)

Gus Schur , Jun 22, 2004; 08:56 p.m.

Hi Richard, yes I did read that link, maybe I'm confused .. I understand even using only MIS cartdriges you still have to play with photoshop courves to get different results. this is the extract of the link : thanks. Gustavo.

ULTRATONE 7 (UT7) FOR EPSON 2200, 7600 & 9600 7 COLOR PRINTERS

Roark Configuration- This is for use with Windows or Mac and the Epson driver. There are 7 inks in the set. They will print from full sepia to cool using Photoshop adjustment curves or from warm to neutral using just the Epson sliders on the print driver. They will work in the 2200, 7600, and 9600 Epson printers. The workflow for the 2200 is released, the 7600/9600 workflow is under development (as of 5/22/04). The Roark Configuration inks and cartridges all start with UT7 as the first 3 digits of the part number. If you don't see this, you may have the other configuration.

Bowhaus/QTR Configuration - We have Ultratone B&W inks specifically formulated to work with Bowhaus Inkjet Control and PrintMaker or with the Quadtone RIP software. Both of these applications are for Mac only. Bowhaus works with OS9 and Quadtone RIP works with OSX. These inks can not be used with the Epson driver. The set of 7 inks is a variable tone set that prints from full sepia to cool and anywhere in between. Both Photo Black and Eboni black are in the printer at the same time. The software controls which one is being used, while the other is shut off.


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