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Best wide carriage printer

Thomas Pindelski , May 27, 2005; 03:13 p.m.

Dear Forum patrons - I recently received some excellent advice here which helped resolve color matching problems with my Espon 1270. This is a fine printer and has served me well.

However, the color inks fade and I do not want to mess with an after market ink tank solution.

My use is 90% color, 10% monochrome.

Accordingly, my question is this:

What is the best 13" wide carriage printer out there with permanent inks?

Please only repond if you have comparative data or can point me to someone who has.

Thank you.


lewis herman , May 27, 2005; 04:26 p.m.


Check the following website for comprehensive reviews of the features and performance (color and b&w) of recent Epson, Canon, and Hewlett Packard printers:


A review of the HP 8750 was recently added to this site and I believe a review of the new Epson 2400 should be coming soon.

Also, for data on the archival capabilities of the HP, Epson, and Canon printers, check this site:


Good luck,

Lew Herman

William Yu , May 27, 2005; 05:47 p.m.


Because you print mostly color and need just 13" wide, I would recommend Epson R1800 or the new Epson R2400. Sharp, vibrant color, no problem with both glossy or matte paper. NO SMEARING either.

HP printers are better for black and white. They have deeper blacks. Comparing to Epson, their shortcomings are: 1. No high gloss inks, so the pictures still have minor bronzing. 2. Less paper choice for permanent color. 3. The prints are not water resistant. Very easy to smear. 4. No individual ink cartridges for each color (except for the wider format >13").

Thomas Pindelski , May 27, 2005; 06:23 p.m.

Lewis -

Thank you for the UK site lead; however, after reading of all their free trips to Paris to see the latest Espon printer, I remain unconvinced that there is no conflict of interest there, thus I tend to discount what they write.

Bill Van Antwerp , May 27, 2005; 06:40 p.m.

I am currently using 3 printers, an Epson 2200 for matte and luster papers, a Canon 9900 for super glossy and an Epson R800 for glossy and semi-gloss stuff, mostly underwater. The Epson 2200 with the Quadtone RIP and either Epson or Red River matte papers or Red River semi-gloss is the best of the three for B&W in my hands. If you like high gloss, neither Epson can hold a candle to the Canon, it is by far the best on really glossy paper (OTOH, the Canon sucks for B&W in my hands). The Epson 2200 is useless for high gloss, but OK for semi-gloss and big papers. The R800 was bought for 8x10 only and as a day to day printer for things ilke mapquest but on photos it is quite competent if not quite as nice on glossy papers as the Canon. I know this probably confuses you more but all of the printers are competent, I use the 2220 the most unless someone wants glossy, if 8x10 then I use the R800 but for bigger stuff, the Canon is used. I haven't tried too hard to get the R800 to go well with B&W since the 2200 is so nice.


Paul Sokal - Dallas, TX , May 28, 2005; 09:00 a.m.

I have a 1280 which is similar to your 1270 I believe and an 1800. For printing color, the 1800 is great, especially on glossy papers. It's excellent on matte as well (I use Red River Premium Matte mostly). I'm not as impressed with it for B&W so I've converted my 1280 for B&W using MIS quadtone and Eboni inks. Of course I now covet the 2400 as I do a lot of B&W. If you're doing 90% color, I think you'll be very happy with the 1800 and save $300 compared to the 2400.

Constance Cook , May 28, 2005; 11:01 a.m.

The HP 8750 prints on glossy paper givees you prints as glossy as any pro lab can give you. The colors are bright and the B&W is even better than with the 7960 and those are excellent. But if you want glossy, go see prints made on the 8750 on HP Premium High Gloss photo paper.


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