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Profiling Epson 3880

Edward Woods , Nov 25, 2010; 08:43 a.m.

I am struggling with my Epson 3880. I have created profiles with a Data Color Spyder and regardless get muted reds and greens with images that are too contrasty and look like I used an 81 series warming filter. The commercially made prints from the exact same file are close to what I see on my monitor. Any thoughts.
My settings are:
Print Color management (document), Color handling(Photoshop Manages Color) Color profile (generated with spyder for premium presentation matt) Rendering intent (perceptual)
Media type (Premium Presentation Matt) Mode Custom (Off: no color adjustment)
Thanks Andy

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Matt Laur , Nov 25, 2010; 09:02 a.m.

How do your prints look when you let the Epson driver handle things, with their factory profiles for their own papers? That's been working far too well on my 3880 for me to bother adding another variable to the mix.

Mark Sanderson , Nov 25, 2010; 09:02 a.m.

Have you tried using the ICC profile for that specific paper? I would start there before changing much else. Also follow the instructions provided with the printer on color/print management, they tell you which are the optimal settings to use in Photoshop. I have had decent results just doing that from Lightroom, with no monitor or printer calibration. I have found its cheaper to get 16x20s and 20x30s at Costco, believe it or not. They have custom ICC profiles for the specific printer/paper combos at your local store (if you have one). I realize this is not directly related to your question, just saying, ink and paper get expensive if you aren't getting the results you want.

Andrew Rodney , Nov 25, 2010; 09:54 a.m.

I agree with Mark and Matt, the canned profiles are probably a lot better than the Spyder generated profiles (that product ain’t that great depending on the paper and its assumption of such).

Edward Woods , Nov 25, 2010; 11:46 a.m.

All, Thanks. I will go back to the drawing board with your recommendations. I thought the DataColor Spyder3Studio SR system would help me nail down my work flow. It has good reviews and I am following the instructions for monitor cal and print profiling to the letter but obviously I am missing something. Just to fill in the blanks the nozzle check I performed is good to go and the paper profiling target that printed off the 3880 appears to be vibrant, my images are just not translating to my prints the way the exact same files do at a commercial lab. I concur that Costco is much cheaper. I bought the printer to scratch a creative itch. I have a workaholic job and printing my own images provides an outlet. I know I will get it right eventually. I have great Thanksgiving. Andy

Alan Goldhammer , Nov 25, 2010; 12:08 p.m.

I have a 3880 also and get more than satisfactory results from it. lRemember, you are using matte paper and that will not give you the same color gamut that you can expect from a paper that uses the PK black. You might want to pick up a small pack of Epson Ultra Premium Luster and try that with the packaged Epson paper and see what your results are; you might find that more to your liking. I don't know if Costco prints on matte papers or not as I've not used them.

Patrick Lavoie , Nov 25, 2010; 01:39 p.m.

if you have a epson 3880, use epson ink and paper.. theres no need for custom profile.

In any case, learn how to correctly print with the epson family paper, then when you are getting better at it, start new paper using the coresponding icc profile from the manufacturer.

theres no way a lab print is better than your 3880 IF and WHEN use correctly.

Matt Laur , Nov 25, 2010; 02:42 p.m.

theres no way a lab print is better than your 3880 IF and WHEN use correctly.

That's certainly been my experience, the only exception being lab-made "fine art" prints which are made using essentially the same sort of equipment ... and the only thing better about those is that they have to keep the extra-large paper in stock to go with their extra-large version of the printer. More to the point, having a lab do the same 17x22 print on, say, Epson's Velvet Fine Art paper it wouldn't take very many of them at all before I've paid the lab a lot more than what the printer costs in the first place. In terms of results, I simply couldn't be more pleased with the 3880's output.

Juhani Vanhala , Nov 25, 2010; 03:08 p.m.

Did you get similar (bad) results with the supplied Epson profiles, or did this problem occur only with custom profile? Are you using Mac or Windows? I have seen in some Epson printer reviews (other than 3880) commenting on double profiling in Mac under certain conditions. (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/printer/epson_sp_7880.html - Search for 'A Mac only problem/fix')

Edward Woods , Nov 25, 2010; 09:45 p.m.

I am currently using Epson Premium Presntation Matt and Epson Ultra Premium Presentation Luster and Epson Brand Ultra Chrome K3 Ink set. The Epson ICC profiles I tried today are no better than my custom profiled Epson brand paper. My computing platform is a PC. Still no success. Andy


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