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NEF in CS5

Rizwan Abbasi , Dec 12, 2010; 12:33 p.m.

Hi,

I didn't know that I can open NEF file directly in Photoshop CS5. Till now I have been using DNG converter to convert NEF in DNG and opening the later in Photoshop.

If I can open NEF in CS5 for editing then why convert into DNG?

Pardon my ignorance, but please let me know the usage of NEF and DNG.

Thanks in anticipation.

Regards,

Riz

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Don Cooper , Dec 12, 2010; 02:42 p.m.

The NEF files are Nikon's proprietary format for RAW files. DNG is a file conversion utility from Adobe. Many people think that Nikon's NEF files contain more info than files converted to DNG. Many people use DNG as they are concerned that NEF files might not be supported sometime in the future. They convert the files to DNG as they feel that Adobe will be around longer than Nikon (I guess). Some users convert NEF to DNG as they are completely hung up on anything Adobe comes out with. People also us DNG to convert RAW files to usable files when the camera manufacturer comes out with a new camera that creates files that Adobe cannot yet read. You most certainly do not need to convert to NEF to DNG but sometimes it might help as mentioned previously (or in other ways that I'm sure someone will mention).

Andrew Rodney , Dec 12, 2010; 02:51 p.m.

If I can open NEF in CS5 for editing then why convert into DNG?

Here are a few reasons:
http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200709_adobedng.pdf
And anytime now, we’ll have a word about the evils of DNG from Mr. K.... <G>

They convert the files to DNG as they feel that Adobe will be around longer than Nikon (I guess).

Actually if both disappear from the planet, those using DNG will be in better shape because anyone can decode the raw data for no cost and do so easily, where decoding the NEF would be costly since someone has to hack the proprietary format.

Garrison K. , Dec 12, 2010; 07:54 p.m.

Good answer, Dan.

Some users convert NEF to DNG as they are completely hung up on anything Adobe comes out with.

Yes, agreed. And doing so is short sited in my opinion.

If I can open NEF in CS5 for editing then why convert into DNG?

That's a great question that most have been asking for the last couple years. There is none really, and for many it was a brief trend. There's more minus than pluses to converting to DNG. If you convert to dng, you are locked out of NX2. Today, it's not that great of software and you might not use it, but what about tomorrow and NX3 or NX6?

Actually if both disappear from the planet, those using DNG will be in better shape because anyone can decode the raw data for no cost and do so easily, where decoding the NEF would be costly since someone has to hack the proprietary format.

This is false and already makes no sense. The sky isn't falling. Raw data is super easy to backwards engineer and is why there's already more software choices (many free) that can open and use a NEF than there are for a dng. Becareful of terrorist words like "proprietary formats" as an argument in favour of converting to dng by those that fly Adobe's flag.

Andrew Rodney , Dec 12, 2010; 08:01 p.m.

Raw data is super easy to backwards engineer and is why there's already more software choices (many free) that can open and use a NEF than there are for a dng.

I guess you yourself can do this? I suppose its so easy, that we all have to wait for support for new cameras and raw formats for months and months after release for our 3rd party converters for what reason? OK, its a conspiracy from Adobe and all other 3rd party converters. They can hack the new data format in an hour, but they wait months to release support because they have an agenda to push DNG (which produces zero income and a lot of engineering work).

Becareful of terrorist words like "proprietary formats" as an argument in favour of converting to dng by those that fly Adobe's flag.

Oh, so an NEF or CRW from a just released model isn’t proprietary? Anyone can access OUR data out of the camera? You’re being an idiot to suggest that the data isn’t proprietary. It most certainly is. The JPEG out of the camera, not at all. Its an open and fully supported file format. I can and others can access that data, the day the camera is released. The raw? Not so. Do you think about what you write about DNG or does this dribble just flow naturally from your keyboard?

Garrison K. , Dec 12, 2010; 08:28 p.m.

See, Rizwan? But things are looking up. He usually includes name-calling while putting words in the mouths of people that he disagrees with.

Andrew Rodney , Dec 12, 2010; 09:00 p.m.

Name calling, where? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. So it was the other Garrision K. who wrote:

Speaking of making pennies, a pro Adobe mag and someone like Andrew that makes their living waving Adobe's flag, is the last resource I'd seek for an objective opinion on DNG.

As I pointed out, I’m not on the Adobe payroll not that facts about proprietary formats which you intent to continue to ignore again in this thread, makes a difference.
The points above are facts. The day Nikon or Canon comes out with a new camera system, anyone can access the JPEG but no one but those manufacturers can access the raw (our raw) data. Every other raw converter on the planet has to hack the format for access. Yes or no? How then do you differentiate the difference between JPEG (an open format) and NEF/CRW etc, a proprietary format, or how on earth do you write with a straight face, nonsense like Becareful of terrorist words like "proprietary formats" as an argument in favour of converting to dng by those that fly Adobe's flag? So if the camera also output a DNG, it would or would not be as accessible from the get-go as that JPEG? Yes or no?
Terrorist? Are you kidding? You should be ashamed of writing such dribble!


Rizwan, don’t expect an answer from Mr. K. He’s all over the PhotoNet forums knocking Adobe (and Apple) or any other company he finds to his disliking despite capabilities anyone but himself finds useful and totally ignores any salient points presented. He will however provide tens of thousands of poorly generated Google searches to back up his so called claims.

Read the DNG article, look at the facts and see if they format is useful to you or not. In the end, unlike Mr. K (whoever he is, whatever he actually does for a living, its all non transparent), it makes zero difference to me if users stick with proprietary formats or use DNG. But understanding the actual differences is useful and the reason you will not see me and others make blunt and blatant simplistic statements of “fact” that Mr. K is so famous for on this forum.

Oliver Racz , Dec 13, 2010; 12:33 a.m.

I don't think either Nikon or Adobe will disappear overnight, and even if they do, the program on my computer that can convert one file type into the other will not. At the moment, I can do more with NEF than DNG. The moment I can do more (or things that are more useful to me) with DNG than NEF, I will convert my files (but will probably still keep a copy of the originals). I have no sentimental connection whatsoever to either Nikon or Adobe, whatever is more convenient is what I will go with.

Garrison K. , Dec 13, 2010; 12:41 a.m.

Well said, Oliver. I'm also not interested in backing up both dng and nef and then having edits only applied to the dng as my nefs sit collecting dust. Its a total work-flow nightmare keeping both.

Rizwan, here's a recent thread that pretty much sums it all up in a balanced and adult manner with PN's most active and experienced photographers. As well as the great wisdom, keep track on the posts for those in favor and those against and clearly DNG, and Andrew, are 2:1 in a minority.

http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00X0B7

Heck, argumentum ad hominem included.

Rizwan Abbasi , Dec 13, 2010; 09:52 a.m.

Thank you all for the valuable feedback. I have one question:

I opened the NEF in CS5, did adjustments. Now when I want to save a copy of NEF. But, Adobe is not allowing me to save in NEF. Its providing DNG, PSD, JPG, TIF. Why is that so. How would I preserve the original and keep (the adjusted one as) copy?
Also please let me know what is the purpose of .XMP file that is created while saving (note I saved as DNG).

Looking forward,

Regards,

Riz


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