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Canon 10D Digital SLR Preview

by Bob Atkins

On February 27th as a Photo Marketing Association (PMA) show "pre-release" Canon announced the 10D digital SLR. The full text of the press release is given below. It looks like this is the replacement for the D60 DSLR which was announced at PMA last year and was widely rumored to have been discontinued by Canon last month. I guess now we know why it was dropped - a better, cheaper DSLR was on the way!

photo.net has not yet got it's hands on a 10D, so this is a preview, not a review, however I think it may still be useful to many readers. I think there's very little doubt that it will be an improvement over the D60 and it seems to address some of the most often heard requests and complaints of current 60 owners.

The 10D is based around the same size sensor as the D60, a 6MP CMOS chip with an effective 1.6x multiplier factor for 35mm lenses, so your 100mm lens has the same view on a D10 DSLR as a 160mm lens on your 35mm film body. Great for telephoto shooters, though no so great if you are a fan of really wide wide-angle lenses.

The main 10D features which differentiate it from the D60 are:

  • DIGIC - a dedicated fast parallel processing image chip
  • Direct printer connectivity (to some Canon BJ printers)
  • Magnesium alloy body
  • Fast, wide area, 7-point AF, similar to EOS-30
  • ISO 100-3200 settings
  • Auto sensitivity mode (100/200/400)
  • New metering algorithm
  • Selectable color space (including Adobe RGB and sRGB)
  • RAW + JPEG possible with any JPEG setting
  • Horizontal/Vertical sensor with auto image orientation
  • Scrollable 10x zoom in playback mode
  • USB Plug and Play (but only USB1.1, not 2.0)
  • FAT32 support for large CF cards
  • 9 consecutive frames at 3fps
  • 30% longer battery life (due to DIGIC chip)
  • Improved white balance (more modes and options from 2800K to 10,000K)
  • Lower noise CMOS sensor (though still same size as D60)
  • Photoshop Elements 2.0 included in package
  • List price $1999

An upgrade to the AF system is certainly something that many D60 users requested. Although AF on the D30 and D60 (which use pretty much the same system) isn't terrible, it's certainly not on a par with the EOS-1D or 1Ds or Canon's EOS film body cameras such as the EOS-3 or EOS-1n. While AF on static targets with the D60 is generally OK, tracking moving targets of low contrast in poor light can be something of a problem. Let's hope the D10 does better and from what Canon have to say, it should!

The control layout looks very similar to the D60 with a rotating mode control dial on the left rather than the button based control scheme found on the 1D and 1Ds. It also has a built in flash (which the Canon "pro" bodies lack), so it's obviously firmly in the "consumer" or possibly "prosumer" class. That's not a bad thing and many D60s are used professionally, it's just a matter of designation. The "pro" bodies are better sealed against dust and moisture, are generally more durable and have a longer life shutter - they also cost more.

The addition of  more AF points in a wide area pattern is also a welcome upgrade. Though one AF point was good enough 10 years ago and 3 AF points were good enough 5 years ago, these days any self respecting AF SLR seems needs more! 7 is good (though I suppose 43 would be even better?)

While many users thought that a larger sensor with more pixels would have been great in the next Canon DSLR, it would probably have boosted the price significantly. Rumors of a digital version of the EOS-3 continue to circulate, but nothing official has been announced by Canon at this point. If it were going to be available soon, PMA would have been the place to make the announcement, so it looks like we are going to have to wait for a while to find out what Canon have up their sleeve in that regard. I have no doubt that there will eventually be a "prosumer" model positioned between the  D10 and "professional" 1D and 1Ds with intermediate specifications and price. When is the only question (though some people will also want to know "how much"!).

Upgraded firmware with more options (like ADOBE RGB color mode and extra white balance choices) , a lower noise sensor with an expanded ISO range, extended battery life, better AF and a lower price all make the D10 a very attractive package indeed. If history is anything to go by you'd better get your name on a waiting list now if you want one of these bodies anytime soon! I'm sure that demand will exceed supply for quite a while! The camera is expected to start shipping to dealers in mid-March 2003 with a suggested list price of $1999. I'd expect the street price to start out at the suggested list price given the expected demand for this camera.

Where to get one....

Ritz Camera is currently taking orders at $1499.99 with free shipping and no sales tax.

In addition you can check with these vendors who support photo.net for current ordering status on the 10D

Canon Press Release

LAKE SUCCESS, February 27, 2003 - Canon U.S.A., Inc., a subsidiary of Canon Inc. (NYSE: CAJ), continues to provide professional photographers and enthusiasts with the highest-quality digital SLR cameras available by taking the most advanced camera features and combining them with the latest innovations in digital imaging technology. In addition, Canon is the only company in the industry to offer a camera with the 3 primary components: an Image Sensor, Image Processor and Optics designed and produced by the camera manufacturer*. And with its suggested list price of $1,999, the new EOS 10D delivers one of the most important features requested by photographers - affordability.

The new EOS 10D is the first digital SLR to offer Canon's exclusive DIGIC Image Processor for maximum camera performance as well as direct connectivity to several Canon Bubble Jet Direct printers and the CP-100 Card Photo Printer. The camera's body, constructed with rigid magnesium alloy covers, houses and protects a number of advanced camera features which are distinctively Canon including a very fast, wide area 7-point autofocus system for precise focusing; 3 frames per second drive speed in 9-frame bursts in either JPEG or simultaneous RAW + JPEG capture settings; an extended ISO range of 100-3200; manual white balance mode; selectable color space options including Adobe RGB and sRGB; a scrollable 10x zoom playback mode; and a Plug and Play USB interface.

The EOS 10D also supports EXIF 2.2, DPOF 1.1, FAT32, and Compact Flash Type I and II, and is completely compatible with all EF-series lenses, including the new EF 17-40mm f/4L USM.

"The EOS 10D is as much revolutionary as it is evolutionary," says Yukiaki Hashimoto, senior vice president, Consumer Imaging Group, Canon U.S.A. "It represents the perfect combination of advanced features from existing EOS System cameras and the latest in digital imaging technology such as Canon's exclusive DIGIC Image Processor. With features not found in other digital SLRs at this, or any other pricepoint, we are confident that the EOS 10D will meet and exceed the expectations of even the most demanding photographers," Mr. Hashimoto added.

Elements of Image Quality

The image quality of any digital camera is not based solely on its resolution. While resolution is clearly a key component of image quality, two additional factors must be taken into consideration. First is the quality of the camera's optics. The second is the quality of the camera's image processor. Collectively these three units, working together, ultimately determine the image quality of any digital camera. Today, Canon is the only manufacturer of digital cameras that combines its own extensive EF-series line of high-quality lenses, its own Image Sensor (CMOS), and its own dedicated Image Processor (DIGIC), to help users achieve maximum image quality.

Canon EF Lenses
Canon's heritage as an imaging company dates back almost 70 years to the company's founding in 1935. Since then, Canon has worked hard to perfect the process of creating extremely high-quality optics for its line of 35mm cameras and other imaging products and is now the world's largest manufacturer of cameras and lenses. Canon is a global leader in optical design, with many advanced and original technologies such as aspherical and fluorite lenses, optical image stabilizers, ultrasonic motors, and more. Canon currently markets over 50 EF lenses for the EOS 10D, representing one of the largest selections of interchangeable autofocus lenses from any manufacturer.

Canon's CMOS Image Sensor
The EOS 10D incorporates a large-area 6.3 megapixel CMOS sensor designed, developed and manufactured entirely within Canon. This sensor has the same picture area (15.1 x 22.7mm) and aspect ratio (2:3) as the EOS D60, but features superior image quality thanks to peripheral circuitry improvements and a refined manufacturing process. A new amplifier circuit boosts the S/N (signal to-noise) ratio to provide an extended sensitivity range from ISO 100 to 3200 and superior noise reduction at all ISO speed settings.

Canon’s DIGIC Image Processor
Every digital camera uses a CPU of some kind to "process" images recorded by the camera and also to control overall camera functions. In most cases, this is the same type of general-purpose CPU typically used for video games, word processors and computer spreadsheets. However, when such CPUs are applied to image processing in digital cameras they tend to be very slow.

Canon's proprietary image processor, called DIGIC, was developed specifically for use with its line of digital cameras and combines the jobs of image processing and camera function control into one chip. Canon's DIGIC (short for Digital Imaging Integrated Circuit) is much faster at image processing than a general purpose CPU because it employs parallel processing rather than the sequential, one pixel at a time processing methods used by "conventional" digital cameras. The extra speed of DIGIC makes it possible to incorporate higher quality signal processing algorithms than conventional digital cameras, while at the same time improving buffer performance and consuming less battery power because signal processing is completed more quickly on a per-image basis.

However, DIGIC does much more than image processing. Because it was specifically designed for use in a digital camera, it is also capable of handling nearly every digital camera function including JPEG compression/expansion; memory card control; Auto Exposure; Auto White Balance control and most other camera functions. In the case of the EOS 10D, for example, the number of consecutive frames is 9, compared to 8 in the EOS D60 and the battery life lasts approximately 30 percent longer. These improvements were made possible by the DIGIC Image Processor, not by any improvements in the camera or batteries themselves.

7-Point Wide-Area Autofocus
The EOS 10D's advanced 7-point AF system is a major upgrade from the D60's 3-point system, and its speed is as fast or faster than the EOS Elan 7/7E's. The 7 focusing points are conveniently and unobtrusively superimposed on the viewfinder, cover a wide area for superb precision, and are manually selectable for a high degree of control. Ideal focus is achieved whether camera orientation is vertical or horizontal, with moving, still or off-center subjects, and even in low light/low contrast situations.

Intelligent Orientation Sensor
This new function detects whether the camera is positioned horizontally or vertically and uses that information in a variety of helpful ways. In addition to improving autofocus and exposure metering accuracy, the Intelligent Orientation Sensor enables the EOS 10D to automatically rotate vertical format images during playback on the built-in LCD monitor, and add rotation data to the image file header. Compatible software applications such as Canon's File Viewer Utility, ZoomBrowser EX and ImageBrowser read this data and automatically rotate thumbnail images during downloads to accelerate workflow.

Expanded RAW + Jpeg Settings
When a RAW image is captured, the EOS 10D simultaneously records and stores a JPEG image in the RAW image file. Unlike the EOS D60 where this mode was only possible for the Middle/Fine setting, the JPEG image can be set to any of the six JPEG quality settings on the EOS 10D.

White Balance and Color Temperature
In addition to the five preset White Balance modes featured on the EOS D60, the shade setting (approximately 7000K) has been added for a total of nine white balance modes. The EOS 10D also features a Manual color temperature setting allowing for greater color precision and creative control over any scene. Users are now able to manually set the color temperature directly from the camera's menu from 2800 to 10,000 degrees Kelvin values in 100-degree increments.

In the White Balance Bracketing mode, a set of three images is made at the same exposure level while shifting the white balance up to +/- 3 steps in 1-step increments, to render a cooler or warmer color temperature. Each step is equivalent to 5 Mireds (Micro-reciprocal degrees).

Bundled Software
The EOS 10D is bundled with an upgraded software package featuring powerful drivers which are compatible with Windows XP and Mac OS X. Additional Canon utilities such as ZoomBrowser EX, PhotoRecord, RAW Image Converter, PhotoStitch and RemoteCapture are also supplied, together with Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0.

The EOS 10D measures 5.9 x 4.2 x 3.0 inches and weighs 27.9 oz. (body only). It will be available at authorized retailers in mid-March with a suggested list price of $1,999.

EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Wide-Angle Zoom Lens
The EF 17-40mm f/4L USM is an ultra wide-angle zoom lens that is being announced simultaneously with the EOS 10D, but is compatible with all Canon cameras that use the company's proprietary EF lens mount. The new lens was developed as a more affordable alternative to the renowned EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM lens that has become a mainstay for professional photographers around the world. Featuring 3 aspherical surfaces and 1 UD glass element in a 13-element optical formula, the new 17-40mm lens delivers image quality equal to the 16-35mm lens. Like other current L-series models, the new 17-40mm lens is also built to professional standards in terms of build quality, with a metallic lens barrel and extensive gasketing for superb weather resistance. It will be available at authorized retailers in May with a suggested list price of $1,200.

Canon U.S.A., Inc. delivers consumer, business-to-business, and industrial imaging solutions. In 2001, the Company was listed as one of Fortune's Most Admired Companies in America, and was ranked #41 on the Business Week list of "Top 100 Brands." Its parent company Canon Inc. (NYSE:CAJ) is a top patent-holder of technology, ranking second overall in the U.S. in 2002, with global revenues of $24.5 billion. Canon U.S.A. employs approximately 11,000 people at over 30 locations. For more information, visit www.usa.canon.com.


All referenced product names, and other marks, are trademarks of their respective owners.
*As of 2/27/03

Article created 2003

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Bob Atkins , February 27, 2003; 01:39 P.M.

Oops! Looks like I was wrong on the price. Ritz camera are taking orders at a price of $1499.99. That's an amazingly low price.

D L , February 27, 2003; 01:49 P.M.

Finally, the price of a DSLR has dropped below the price of a 35mm film SLR.

scott pruett , February 27, 2003; 01:56 P.M.

this is good news, but bad news for those of us like myself who purchased a D60 back in the fall @ $500 more than ritz is offering the 10D, w/ significant improvements.

curses. stupid technology.

Dan Funk , February 27, 2003; 02:05 P.M.

It will be interesting to see how the used market reacts to the 10D.

Currently used D30s are going for about USD$1000, while used D60s are selling for around USD$2000. Bob's found a dealer listing the 10D for USD$1500!

I decided a few months back that I might try a D60 when the used price fell below USD$1000, but I wasn't expecting that to happen for another year or so.

It will be interesting to see if Canon's prodution can meet demand this time around.

Bob Atkins , February 27, 2003; 03:06 P.M.

My guess is that the D10 won't be easily available for a while. There's a May shipping date, which probably means it will be very hard to get one before the summer.

Given that I'd say that used D60 prices will probably drop to about $1500 now and then steadily fall to the $1000 region. I'd guess D30 prices will fall from around $1000 now to maybe $700 in 6-9 months.

Ben Rubinstein - Manchester UK , February 27, 2003; 03:48 P.M.

Well, that should stop the miriads of posts on the canon and unarchieved forum about it.

Ted Kostek , February 27, 2003; 04:28 P.M.

The review speculates that eventually there will be a "prosumer" digital body between the D10 and the 1Ds.

Maybe I'm reading the market wrong, but I think the D10 *is* a prosumer product. Professionals are using the 1D/1Ds; consumers are using sub-$1000 products. In between are the prosumers w/ the D30/60/100. Nevertheless, I agree w/ Bob's suspicion that eventually the prosumer market will have more products spaced more closely together in performance. I think we'll have to wait for another few years, though. Until the performance of the sensors stabilizes somewhat, they'll just keep killing off the old cameras.

One possibility is that you'll have the market segmented roughly by pixel count. Pros using 12+ MP, prosumer models in the 6-12 range, average consumers in the 3-6, cheapies in the 1-3.

Shawn Tang , February 27, 2003; 05:38 P.M.

Just placed an order with Ritz Camera. The representative told me the shipping date would be in March to April. While I pointed out that Canon won't ship the camera until May, the guy just muttered some words I didn't understand. So much for knowledgeble customer service. Anyway, my order is in and we'll see how soon I can get it. Now my D30 is for sale. Anyone want to take it? See ad. I'm very interested in the improved focusing speed at low light.

Bob Atkins , February 27, 2003; 06:23 P.M.

On the subject of "prosumer" models...

The 10D is clearly the Elan of the DSLR lineup, with the 1D(s) being the 1v. When I speak of a "prosumer" model I mean something between these two, i.e. a digital version of the EOS-3. Whether you think of the EOS-3 as a "pro" camera is a matter of semantics.

The EOS-3 is sealed like an EOS-1(x) and has no built in flash (which is absent to improve sealing against moisture and dust), thus it falls into the "pro" category. On the other hand the EOS-3 has eye-controlled focus, which is a "consumer" feature present on the Elan series but absent from the high end "pro" bodies.

I have no doubt that there will be an EOS-3 based DSLR. Will it be full frame like the D1s or have a 1.3x multipler like the D1? I'd guess it might have the smaller sensor just to maintain product differentiation, though that depends on the state of technology (and the state of competing DSLRs like Nikon's) at the time. If full frame sensors become more common, that's the way they'll have to go.

It's hard to say where and when prices will stabilize. They clearly have quite a way to drop, though not as far as they did last year or two years ago. The rate of drop will slow. $3000 for a D30, $2000 for a D60, $1500 for a D10. I'd imagine they'd bottom out close to $1000. That leaves room for a $2000 digital EOS-3 and a $3000 digital EOS-1.

BTW the Ritz banner link to the 10D isn't currently working (Thursday at 5:50pm eastern). I'm sure the problem will soon be fixed.

In the meantime you can use this link to Ritz Camera who are taking pre-orders for the 10D at $1499.99 with free shipping and no sales tax.

bob jones , February 27, 2003; 10:40 P.M.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd say the current Pro digital body is the 1Ds, the current consumer body is the 10D and the current middle is the 1D. (ie: 1V=1Ds, 3=1D, 10D=elan7), at least until a replacement for the 1D comes out to be the new prosumer body. This struck me when I went to www.canoneos.com, and saw the lineup of cameras. I would like to see the followon to the EOS-3 come with eye controlled focusing --- I can't seem to use a camera with autofocus without it, as I've become so used to using it. . .I look, I hit CF4, etc.

Hubert Figuiere , February 28, 2003; 06:06 A.M.

What about Firewire ? I can't imagine to not have Firewire on a USD 2000 camera when you find Firewire ports on USD 1500 laptops.

Kevin Borden , February 28, 2003; 11:14 A.M.

It is nice to see that there is finally a digital SLR that is cheap enough for amateurs to consider. If it weren't for the 1.6x maginification factor, it would be a great camera. On a regular camera, a 28-70mm f2.8 zoom is a great all-around lens. For this camera I'd have to carry two lenses to cover the same range, plus I'd be risking getting the sensor dirty every time I changed lenses! (Not the mention that I would have to buy a pricey 16-35 zoom.) I wish that Canon would either build a prosumer camera with a full-frame sensor or build lens specifically for the 16x24mm format (or at least build a converter lens; sort of the inverse of a tele-converter).

Note: This camera is also the first SLR to know which way is up! It rotates pictures right-side up automatically. Also, if the lack of a high speed serial port like Firewire or USB2 bothers you, you can buy USB2 or Firewall Compact Flash reader for around $40.

Bob Atkins , February 28, 2003; 01:35 P.M.

I believe the new 17-40/4L lens gives you the equivalent of a 28-64/4L on a 10D, which is very close to your 28-70 lens on a film body.

Andrew Knopp , February 28, 2003; 02:02 P.M.

Bob Jones, you are crazy. The EOS 1D was designed for pro photojournalists. It was tailored to their needs (decent resolution and high fps). While the EOS 1Ds is more for pro studio use and those who need higher resolution (high resolution and not so great fps). With the previous prices of the D30/D60 they became a prosumer market which dropped down to consumers who had the dough. This camera seems to be in the prosumer range and for those consumers who waited out for the D60's price to fall.

Drew Coulthard , March 01, 2003; 03:02 A.M.

The EOS 1V has the same eye control as the EOS 3, it is the build quality that is slightly more robust. I can see a trip to the USA would benefit me. The price touted in the UK for a 10D is about £1,300 to £1,500 - I'm sure the market will bare this but it still seems a rip-off.

I was of the understanding that the EOS 1D was designed for Sports Photo Journalism. Fast at 8fps, reasonable definition (newsprint at 100dpi) and robust. The EOS 1D is not equivalent to the EOS 3 its a full EOS 1 (N or V) spec.

Bruno Mattarollo , March 01, 2003; 09:58 A.M.

Hello...

Drew, the EOS-1V doesn't have the same "eye control" as the EOS-3, it doesn't have eye-controlled focus at all. Or if it has, then I should re-read the manual of my camera ;)

Cheers

wolf scalissi , March 01, 2003; 10:55 A.M.

My dear fellow photogs This is a topic near and dear to my heart...digital or not...I shoot professionaly with an eos-3. I refused to buy the d-6o for its poor focusing/ poor build quality. It appears they have improved the focus, build is yet to be determined. Eye control (contrary to popular belief) works wonders I find it hard to shoot without it in most situations. but viola it has an on off switch for those times when its a hinderance instead of a help. we have an "eos-1v" camera the eos-1ds, NOW we have an elan 7 digital -great but other than a second or third string back up I would not even consider an elan -7 in my bag. guess I'll wait for the eos-3d(what a cool name eh!)Happy shooting...Wolf Scalissi

Bob Atkins , March 01, 2003; 04:03 P.M.

It's a little dissmissive to say "I wouldn't have an Elan 7 in my bag". I've been using an Elan II (and even an original Elan) as backup for my EOS-3 (which replaced an earlier EOS-1n) and they are both perfectly servicable cameras. Not as many features at the EOS-3, but more than good enough most of the time for any photographer who knows what he/she is doing and capable of yielding fully professional quality images in the hands of a "fully professional" photographer!

Brian Saye , March 02, 2003; 02:28 A.M.

I agree with Bob. I own the original Elan and have used it for years and yeild better results that others that I know that own EOS 1v or Nikon F100s for the kinds of shooting I tend to do. Fundamentally a camera body is just a box that holds your film or digital recording media. If I were to find myself in the wilds of Africa then a pro level body would be the best tool simply because it is a tougher box and can take the abuse. However I don't plan to visit the dark continent so I rather save the difference in cost for some great glass.

I echo the sentiment about the 1.6x issue. If I worked with super telephoto lenses all the time this would be a wonderful feature to have. Those of us that work with the 24-135mm range have already purchased hundreds if not thousands of dollars in optics that we already expect to work a certain way. And to suddenly have to buy a 17mm lens so I can have achieve my 28mm focal length results on such a camera is silly. Why can't Canon and Nikon get there act together? Until that time I will stay with 35mm.

CL Ho , March 02, 2003; 02:54 A.M.

As a Nikon user with many Nikon lens. I am waitng a a Nikon version of 'D10'.

wolf scalissi , March 02, 2003; 09:45 A.M.

thanks bob but i did say Other than a second or third string back-up-key word- $1500 for a back up is not gonna happen. I'm waiting for the right camera to be my main shooter...lets see spot meter anyone?...i agree its the photographer not the camera. canon hasnt made a camera better than the beloved t-90 yet! ahh for the good old days....ciao!

D Davies , March 02, 2003; 05:06 P.M.

CL HO, from what Nikon have told me at Focus-On-Imaging in the UK this last week, you will be waiting a very long time for anything more or better than a Nikon D100. What are they up to? Who knows?

Jeff Graeber , March 03, 2003; 12:56 A.M.

the elan 7 does not have a spot meter - unless you engage a custom function.

since the custom functions on the new camera have yet to be outlined, let's wait and see on that.

you are only as good as you are familiar with your equipment. i've had better results with my d60 than people who just bought f100's, f5's and 1v's. why? because i've had my d60 since the day it was released and learned every freakin nook and cranny of the beast.

and no more taunting the 'professional' tag. by definition a 'professional' is just someone who gets paid. those that get paid for their work need equipment that is a good long term investment. is digital that investment? no one can know for sure.

hey bob, i'll do a 10d review when they released for photo.net

Andy Lo , March 03, 2003; 09:43 A.M.

I've just joint the EOS camp too. Still waiting for an affordable full-sized digital body. To start with, I have just bought an used EOS RT in ebay and a brand new 100mm F2.8 macro USM. :P Really can't wait for the delivery.

Steve Koppelman , March 03, 2003; 11:34 A.M.

The lack of Firewire or USB 2.0 is noxious. Clearly, some people high up at Canon think that including Firewire would kill sales of their pro-DSLRs. With Firewire and USB2 showing up on $200 MP3 players and $400 camcorders, it's not a cost-saving measure. I think it's a given that USB2 and possibly Firewire will be showing up on $500 consumer cameras before the end of this year. To leave high-speed data transfer and high-res remote viewfinder capability off a $1500 camera body that's first slated to ship halfway through 2003 is kind of sad. I guess Canon doesn't think their pro line is appreciably better or more durable than the prosumer one.

On the positive side, they do include the "Philip Greenspun Memorial Camera-Orientation Detection Through Use of a Mercury Switch" feature. Just like a $300 HP point-and-shoot.

Julius Wong , March 03, 2003; 12:11 P.M.

As an existing EOS 30 or Elan 7E owner, I was looking forward to the arrival of its equivalent digital version. 10D sounds like the one with the less than ideal smaller image sensor. Should I buy one to be used along side my 7E, I am afraid I'd be constantly confused by the 1.6 times image size multiplier factor. How I hate to see that happen!

As an amateur photographer who strives to take better pictures with maximum flexibility, I usually strap my neck with two SLR cameras loaded with either different film speeds or film types (slide/negative). I'd exchange their lenses occasionally. I doubt if the quality of pictures taken using the 10D would significantly surpass those taken by my 7E/Velvia combination. God I hate to be forever confused by the effect of this 1.6 multiplier factor!

To be or not to be further complicated by such a photographer's life, that is the question........

Bob Atkins , March 03, 2003; 01:52 P.M.

I don't regard the lack of firewire or USB 2 connectivity to be a big issue. I have 3 digicams (old, older and oldest!) and I don't think I've ever connected any of them to a PC directly more than a couple of times (just to test the software and connectivity).

I much prefer to just put the CF card in a card reader which makes it look exactly like another disk drive to the PC. I can then move the images around as I wish.

Connecting via the camera has always been a pain, not because of slow download speeds, but because of clunky software, extra cables and actually having to have the camera on my desk.

Chris Tennyson , March 03, 2003; 07:07 P.M.

I agree with bob.. Who cares about USB/Firewire connectivity. I'have a D30 and my cable is still in the box some where.. Its far simpler to use a card reader. Most Operating Systems now already have the drivers for them anyways, just plug and play as they say.. you dont have to worry about knocking the camera off the desk if yours is as crammed as mine and it doesnt drain your camera battery. You dont have to deal with canons annoying software, and the card reader is faster. End of story.

oh. and as for the custom functions and what not. if you do a search for reviews of the camera on google, you can find several sites that have already used the camera, with test photos. looks pretty good to me.

I already placed my order with Adorama. $1499 also... B&H has that annoying habit of charging your card when you make the order, not when they ship. No thanx, Adorama can have my money when i can have my camera. not before. besides.. the B&H guy was very rude.. "Well sir, thats been our policy for 25 years now." Gee I'm sorry. I've never ordered from you.. Now I know why..

Think I'm about 50 or so on the list at adorama.. If I get it by my birthday in August I will be happy. :D

Anders Fredrickson , March 03, 2003; 10:59 P.M.

I have a d60, and while a usb2/firewire isn't a dealkiller, it would be nice considering how difficult it is to get crisp focus, ie studio work captured straight to a pc monitor. <br><br> Which brings me to my main complaint, that being the crappy autofocus. I did some test photography at a bike race (velodrome) last weekend, and d60's autofocus was all but useless. My eos-1v with the same lens was orders of magnitude faster (although I haven't developed the film yet :) If someone has hints for doing highspeed action photography with the d60, please email me.<br><br> which brings my next complaint to the foreground. Why can I not put a split-prism viewfinder element in the d60. I'd dump my d60 for the d10 in a heartbeat if the d10 would allow me to do this. Again, any hints on obtaining crisp focus with the d60 are appreciated.<br><br> I guess I'd be mad Canon is coming out with a better digital for $700 less than I paid 2 months ago, but I've shot over 5000 pictures and got a tax writeoff, so I can't really complain.

Edward Kang , March 03, 2003; 11:24 P.M.

At $1499, the EOS-10D is still almost twice as expensive as the EOS-3, which has superior autofocus, better build quality, and a much more durable shutter. If the added electronics in the 10D cost as much as the EOS-3 body, I would still expect us to be able to find an EOS-3D somewhere for $1499, but the last time I mentioned this, I was accused of smoking crank.

'Incrementalism is innovation's worst enemy' - Nicholas Negroponte.

All in all, I'm pleased that Canon's putting out the 10D, but it's not anywhere near as revolutionary as the 1D was to the digital world (The 1D went in 2001 way beyond where the D30 went in the year 2000).

The differences between the 10D and the D60 are minimal at best - the cancellation of the D60 reinforces the 10D as the EOL (End-Of-Life) replacement for the D** series.

For the next few years expect even fewer innovations and more incremental performance improvement in Canon digital camera bodies. It was a great trip guys, but now I'm back to taking pictures.

Jeff Graeber , March 04, 2003; 12:30 A.M.

why would i want a split prism viewfinder?

yeah that's great for you studio peeps, but it sucks ass for us telephoto junkies.

the eos3 sells NEW for 900. 1499 is not twice that, unless i missed something in grade school

also it's DIGITAL. because of the fact you no longer buy consumables unless you are printing, they are not gonna sell you a digital like this for less than a film body.

what in the world ar eyou talkig about edward. do you even pay attention to the economy? at 1500 this camera is available to everyone, not just those that like to call themselves 'pro's'. it's superior to the d100 in every way, but it's not designed to compete with the 1d. nothing is. that's a niche camera for sports and pj's, and most sports guys i know cant even afford it!!

dont mix the cameras. i sure as hell hope there is NO digital eos 3. the focus on that is a far cry from the 1v, the build quality is not all that (no, it is NOT weather proof. the 1v is their first weather proof camera) and have you HEARD the shutter on that camera lately?

quite frankly only the 1d and 1ds have the low shutter lag and mirror blackout of the 10d beat, and only the 1d has the noise of the 10d beat. dont knock it until you've had it in your hands and tried the competition in the same price point.

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Melissa Eiselein , March 04, 2003; 12:42 A.M.

Julius: <br>As an amateur Elan IIe user, I can sympathize with your concern about the 1.6 focus length confusion. And yet, it is because of my status as an amatuer hobbiest that I'm giving this Canon D10 serious consideration. <br>1) It may not be a "pro" camera, but it's much more affordable than the $4,000-and-up digitals the pros are using. <br>2) I think the ability to shoot, look and adjust on the fly will help a newbie like me gain a quicker understanding of the correlation between aperture and shutter speed under certain circumstances. -- Ever taken pictures, got the film developed and said to yourself, "Gee, I wonder if would have worked out better/worse if I had ...?" Often times, reproducing the exact lighting conditions days or weeks later is an impossibility. <br>3) Yeah, the 1.6x focal length might be confusing, but I bet it will come in handy now and then. I often find myself at 300mm end of my 75-300 wishing I had more length. <br>4) While these digital cameras (D30/D60) are quickly outdated, they're holding their resale value much, much better than a computer. If we learn we don't like the camera or feel we've learned all we need to know (yeah, like that's going to happen) we can put the digital on Ebay and easily sell it for two-thirds to three-quarters the original price. <p>Yeah, I can hear that D10 calling my name... which is funny, because there was a time when I thought I'd never consider a digital camera. Then again, there was a time when I was perfectly happy making family snapshots with a Minolta Freedom p&s. Times change...and so do I.

Zap Trax , March 04, 2003; 05:51 P.M.

I just got back from PMA in Las Vegas where I spent a lot of time in the Canon booth playing with the new 10D (and the 1Ds). I own a D60 and have not been thrilled with the auto focus or metering. My impression of the new 10D is very favorable. While the focus does not seem as fast as a 1Ds, it seems much, much faster than my D60. I also like the additional focusing points (D60 had 3, the 10D has 7). The 10D's LCD is brighter and the camera feels much more solid. The increase in ISO to 1600 (or 3200 using a custom setting) is a plus especially in view of the tests posted at DP Review which show that the noise produced by the 10D at 1600 is about the same as the D60 produced at 800. I also like the idea of it being able to automatically re-orient vertical shots.

Yes, I very much wish it had a full-sized (24x36mm) imaging chip--I do miss the view from my 17-35mm. And spot metering would have been nice, too. Since I use a card reader, Firewire would only have been of value on the rare occasions the camera is tethered to my laptop for real-time capture.

As for the price, kudos to Canon for continuing to drive the price of DSLRs lower and lower while adding more features and functionality. If $1499 seems like a lot of money, you might calculate how much you spend on film and processing. During the course of one 3-week commercial project I saved almost $2000 on film, processing, and scanning. Not to mention the time saved in not having to make all those trips to the lab. Looking at it this way, the D60 paid for itself in one month.

I placed my order last Friday and can't wait to start shooting with the new camera.

Anders Fredrickson , March 05, 2003; 02:39 P.M.

Hey Jeff, just curious why you don't like split-prism viewfinders. I found once I put a split-prism on my film camera, it was rare I did not take crisp photos, especially with tele. In fact, it's not studio work where I am most dependent on getting the shot, but rather in the field. Because d60's autofocus can't be depended on, especially for action photography, and the zoom is not very helpful in checking the focus, it's that more critical.<br><br> which leads me to believe I'm doing something wrong. I'm definately open to hints<br><br> With the smaller, darker viewfinder on the d60 (compared to eos-1v), I have a horrible time getting focus.

Gene X , March 05, 2003; 02:43 P.M.

Anders, I agree with you. I started out in the 80's with an Olympus OM system and loved the prism and since my eyesight isn't as sharp as it used to be, I would love to have one in my D30/60.

I am thinking of getting a split prism for the 1D though.

gene

Anders Fredrickson , March 05, 2003; 02:43 P.M.

Don't get me wrong...until I can justify the 1ds or similar, I'll be getting a d10 and trying to figure out what to do with my d60 ;)

Jeff Graeber , March 05, 2003; 10:23 P.M.

um, cause with really long glass half the split prism went black. that's why.

Antonio C. , March 06, 2003; 12:55 P.M.

Jeff,

since I'm in doubt betw 10D and D100 could you explain me which way 10D is fairly superior to D100 in every respect? thx

Jeff Graeber , March 06, 2003; 05:09 P.M.

ed, he asked about the 10d, not the d30

and d30 vs. d100? 3mp vs 6mp? are you kidding?

next you gonna point out Leica vs. Ricoh, rangefinder vs. point and shoot?

the 10d has a durable magnesium body, faster and more responsive autofocus, white balance bracketing, auto orientation sensor, and is $500 less - as well as canon glass costing less.

if you have neither system, it would make no sense to not go for the 10d.

Preston Cooksey , March 07, 2003; 10:06 A.M.

I am currently a Nikon user and definately know how expensive the glass is, but have no desire to sell and start over with Canon. As soon as I heard that the 10D was going to sell for $1499 (probably less or added accessories from ebay dealers), I emailed Nikon and asked for some kind of response to this. As I expected, they told me they could say nothing concerning a future dslr (they certainly don't want people posting anything on message boards). If Nikon has no intention of releasing a lower priced dslr or even lowering the price $500 of the D100, I would seriously consider switching to Canon. On a side note, I'm sure some of you must have seen postings on other message boards regarding a possible 7.8 megapixel Nikon D2 with a ridiculous 15fps and a Foveon chip. Seems pretty ridiculous to me, and I'm sure can be dismissed. Perhaps better for another forum.

Marcus Wilson , March 07, 2003; 11:33 P.M.

I have the Kodak 520, which is ancient by digital standards, but it still works and I have several Canon lenses. Naturally I'd like a 1Ds, but in thinking back (us old folks do this a lot) after the EOS 10 came the A2 and I'm guessing it was replaced by the EOS 3, so I think the next camera will be a . . . D4! And like its other progeny will lead off with some spectacular new gimmicks that will leave us all amazed and astounded. Unless Nikon steals the cool "D4' monniker. Also I'm predicting, based on the swag method, that the new camera will be announced in September, 2003. Any taker?

Zap Trax , March 08, 2003; 08:59 P.M.

Regarding nomenclature. Nikom seems to be naming its cameras "D" then a number, thus the D1, D100, D1x, D1h. Canon has moved to naming its cameras with a number then a "D", thus 1D, 1Ds, 10D. My guess is they will each stick with this so as not to confuse model designations, at least for a while.

Bob Atkins , March 11, 2003; 01:29 P.M.

Just an update: Here is a copy of a message received from Ritz camera:

OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM RITZCAMERA.COM - CANON 10D Great News! Canon is in the process of shipping 10D's to Ritz Camera. We expect to begin filling customer orders early next week (beginning approximately around March 17, 2003). The quantity of orders filled will be determined by the quantity that Canon can supply.

Gene Austin , March 11, 2003; 05:15 P.M.

Melissa, your point regarding the value of shooting digital and having instant feedback is invaluable. Unless you have a film camera that records shooting data on the negative, chances are that you wont recall the camera settings and lighting data weeks or months later. The ability to delete images w/o having to worry about the cost of film & developing is invaluable. I personally have improved my photographic skills at an accelerated pace due to shooting digital.

Min Kim , March 12, 2003; 04:57 P.M.

Where the heck in Nikon in all this? Im waiting for something better that the d100 and s2.

I cant wait until the kodak 14n is released. I wonder what it will do to the d1x price. (maybe i can afford a d1x then)

Im sure most of you dont care about nikon, but i will post this anyways.

ron purdy , March 13, 2003; 02:32 P.M.

I have several sample files from my 10d here: http://www.pbase.com/ronno/canon_10d

Benjamin Zollinger , March 13, 2003; 05:02 P.M.

Ron-

How the heck did you get a 10D so early? Do they have any more?

ron purdy , March 13, 2003; 08:08 P.M.

Hi. I got the camera from Calumet in NYC. They only got a handful yesterday and they were spoken for in advance. I'm sure many stores will have them soon. I've heard they are being sold on Dell.com for around $1350 with the 10% discount!

Bob Atkins , March 15, 2003; 03:11 P.M.

Just for reference, Dell pulled all mention of the 10D from their website and have none in stock according to their phone reps. They won't quote a price or a date when they expect more in stock.

Their price was $1500, but they had a "10%" off deal which applied to accessories and I guess, technically, the 10D counted as an accessory (since it's not a computer). I don't know if the deal will be repeated, but I suspect it was something of a mistake on their part!

Zap Trax , March 16, 2003; 09:11 A.M.

I have had my new Canon 10D for almost 24 hours. It is a very good camera. It is a significant improvement over the D60. As promised, the focusing is far better, especially in low light. Metering seems better, too. My D60 often underexposed shots, especially backlit scenes. Exposures with the 10D are much more accurate. The 10D feels like a sold hunk of metal as opposed to the somewhat plasticy feel of the D60. Noise levels, especially at higher ISOs are much quieter. Shots I've taken at ISO 1600 look like they have the grain of Provia 400. The control layout is improved. Very useful is the way you can now zoom the LCD to 10x and can move to any area of the frame. A few gripes: no AC power for the camera without buying an additional accessory; the charger will only accomodate one battery; still no real spot meter; and of course the 1.6x focal length multiplier. I always use a card reader so the lack of USB 2.0 or Firewire is not an issue for me.

Most important, images look very good straight from the camera.

All in all Canon have delivered the Camera they should have delivered with the D60.

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Andrew Rhines , March 16, 2003; 01:15 P.M.

Ah! Just picked up a 10D from Ritz on the way home from work yesterday, and...wow is all I can say. For 1500 it is a steal - something I would have felt comfortable spending much more for. The salesman seemed knowledgable, and mentioned something about the production being switched over exclusively to japan for quality control issues. How much does this switch have to do with the low price, and how much is just the result of good design? I thought they were all made there anyways.

Axel Farr , March 18, 2003; 08:17 A.M.

In the moment, I find the rumors in the range of D-SLRs fascinating. Having started 1992 with an EOS 1000, I now own an EOS 30 after having stuck eight years with an EOS 5 (aka A2e in America). What I like most on Canons bodys is the fast AF and with the newer models (beginning from the EOS 50/IX) the very good focussing screens.

When the EOS D30 came out, I was fascinated by the possibility of getting a digital body for my lenses, but hesitated buying one because of the large focal length multiplier. A factor of 1.4 would be ok, because my prefered focal length is in the range of 30-100mm. So with a 35mm body, all I need most of the time is an EF 28-105mm 1/3.5-4.5 USM lens. For my EOS IX, the EF 24-85mm 1/3.5-4.5 USM does the job - at first I thought that would be it even with a digital EOS, but having such a small sensor size would result in a range of 38-135mm, perhaps 35-120mm if you calculate some 7-8% crop on the side of the 35mm focal length when you indeed do not have 36mm but rather 33 - 34mm for a slide or a print used from the negative/slide.

So either Canon comes out some day with a camera for the same price as the D10 with a larger sensor (as I said, a focal length multiplicator of 1.3-1.4 would be ok), or Canon presents a series of normal lenses in the range of 14/16/18-50/60/70mm, so the "classical" range of 30-100mm would be covered by a single lens. Even with the newly presented 18-40mm lens there is a gap at the longer end.

Canon will soon be in competition with Kodak/Olympus 4/3"-system, and for still having the better arguments it is useless if you can use the whole EF lens lineup, it is necessary to have at least one camera/lens-combination with which you can do most shots. If I want to change the lens for any occasion, I can still use my medium format equipment, there I have 50, 80, 120, 180 and 300mm to choose from.

So I still will be waiting for either Canon to bring up a larger sensor or a better suited lens - or will one day sell my medium format equipment and buy into 4/3" system.

Greetings, Axel

ron purdy , March 18, 2003; 12:08 P.M.

A few shots from the 10D:

http://www.pbase.com/ronno/canon_10d

brian jackson , March 18, 2003; 02:00 P.M.

Someone mentioned eariler that the 10D has a fast fps? 3fps isn't fast, I can almost get 3fps in single shot mode with a rapid finger :)

Someone also made a comparison that the 1Ds is the Pro camera, 1D is the prosumer and 10D the consumer body. Ummm, of the 40-50 pros that I know that shoot canon, ALL have the 1D. You seem to have a bias towards studio/staged shooting. Sports Shooters and PJ's prefer a little faster fps and faster buffer writing abilities. The 1D is the most used Canon digital camera by pros.

For the pro shooters out there, the 10D appears to be a nice 2nd(if you can't afford a second 1D) or third camera body. For the average user looking for their first digital SLR, the 10D would be a great first camera.

I was able to handle the 10D and 1Ds at Canon Demo Days at Calumet a few days ago and the focus was considerably quicker than I was expecting on the 10D. The main problem I saw was with the writing to CF cards. The 10D seems really slow in that respect to me. Again, I shoot with the 1D and 1gig microdrives and 512mb Transcend CF card. I shot with both on the 10D just for comparison and both seemed slow on the 10D. The little red light was just cranking after only 7-9 shots. I would be afraid of missing a shot with this camera if I had to rely on it as my main body.

For the Sports Shooter and PJ's out there looking to switch to digital... save the extra $1800 and buy the 1D. Yes, I know $3600-1500 is more than $1800, but the 10D doesn't come with a vertical shutter button, you have to buy that extra.

Jeff Graeber , March 19, 2003; 10:25 P.M.

some things about the 1d though

1) lower resolution - 8x10's require interpolation, do not on the 10d

2) substantially heavier

3) not all pros need 8 fps, including motorsports pros. i know pro's (published and paid) that work at sears point and laguna seca who have been shooting a d30 for years

it's not all cut and dry, so please dont attempt to preach it as such. the banding is still visible in 1d shots, long exposures are garbage (yes the 10d is not as good as the d60 was, but it dont have a purple fringe on the top corners like the 1d!!), battery life isnt even half that of the 10d and it will not support a card bigger than 2gb right now.

8fps is not the be all, end all. folks were living with 5fps before the 1v came out, and even less - not all pj's bought the boosters.

Jeff Graeber , March 22, 2003; 03:07 A.M.


10d, iso 800, awb, 28-70 2.8L

i like the 10d. helluva camera. perfect? no camera is, but it's a big improvement from the d60 and, having used both, i'd pick up the 10d over the nikon any day.

Benjamin Zollinger , March 22, 2003; 03:08 P.M.


ISO 100, 1/125, f/6.7

I received my D10 yesterday, so far, very good! Being an Eos owner before, the entire lay out of the camera is easy to learn. All of the menus and options make sense and are very logical. I can't wait to NOT buy, process, and scan film! Cheers!

Raivo Vanags , March 25, 2003; 10:00 A.M.

Hello everyone. I'm wondering why doesn't 10D have an option of ISO 50 (e.g. like G3 does)? Isn't it an issue? As I'm finally thinking of switching to digital and haven't used a digital camera before that's my question to you. <p> btw. there's a good <a href="http://photonotes.org/reviews/D30-D60-1D-1Ds/">comparison of EOS D30, D60, 10D, 1D and 1Ds</a> (thank you NK Guy for a great site!)

Jeff Graeber , March 25, 2003; 09:50 P.M.

i have yet to see anyone who didnt have a super noisy iso 50

Raivo Vanags , March 26, 2003; 03:22 A.M.

One more question - what does it mean when for "Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L " it's stated that the lens is Optimized for Digital Imaging?

Jeff Graeber , March 26, 2003; 10:44 A.M.

means that if it werent for digital cameras they wouldnt bother making it.

Raivo Vanags , March 26, 2003; 11:47 A.M.

so it's just a statement without any real 'optimication', right? all lenses are just lenses and one can use this 'optimized' lens on ordinary eos as well, yeah?

P.S.Thanx Jeff for your answers (waiting for your tutorials on your webpage!).

Jeff Graeber , March 26, 2003; 10:55 P.M.

bleh i never kept up that page. it would keep shutting down two days into the month because of theinsane traffic.

the new site is jrg-imaging.com. i will most likely have tutorials in coming months once i get the overall design ironed out.

Jeff Graeber , March 30, 2003; 12:13 A.M.


10d dont suck too much i think.

David Fourer , March 31, 2003; 11:48 P.M.

I'm very excited about Canon's D10 and the companion (affordable) 17-40mm "L" lense.

The review caused a long discussion about the consumer market. Here's my angle: I've had an Elan II for eight years, used it heavily and treated it rough. I've gone hiking in rain, snow, sub-zero weather, gotten dust and water in it, and it keeps on ticking--accurately. I've also used the consumer Canon lenses with the f3.5-5.6mm focal length. I just could not afford anything more. Turns out, when I eliminate all possible causes of blur besides the lense itself, it's pretty sharp. I also like the professional features on the Elan like mirror-lock-up (which may be missing on the D10, I don't know). The light weight is nice too.

My point is that the D10 with 17-40 "L" lens is just the camera I want for the next 8 years.

About sensor size: I make large prints. I understand that the 2/3 size 6mp Canon sensor compares well to 35mm provia film and makes fine 13x19 inch prints. Check out the very detailed analysis on normankoran.com web site. The Canon 11mp sensor has been compared favorably to 645 format. Check out luminous-landscape.com web site. I look forward to seeing the prints myself.

Shawn Tang , April 02, 2003; 12:41 A.M.

Got mine today. After playing with it for a while, I truely like this camera. It feels solid in hand, quieter than D30 and D60, focuses much faster even in low light and the 10x image review zoom is very helpful. One thing I don't like is that when the C.Fn.4 set to values other than 0 and when you are reviewing images, you have to press the shutter release first to switch it to picture taking mode, only then can you use the * to focus. Even then if you are taking raw images and reviewing them, the camera will need a moment to switch to picture taking mode. I found this is a little annoying. Is it because I'm using a microdrive? I'm not sure. But I'd like see Canon get a dedicated button for image zoom out, so that when * is pressed I can focus and take pictures right away. I turned off the auto rotate for image reviewing, I'm using a batter grip, so it's more natural to review the images the way they are taken. Even without the battery grip, you probably get a better view of the vertical images without rotating them.

Jeff Graeber , April 03, 2003; 04:16 A.M.

microdrives are noticeably slower in this camera. buy the solid state ones they are cheap.

Yinghao Lin , August 22, 2004; 10:58 P.M.

sample used canon 10d, canon 70-200mm L4 USM for shotting fast action I like 10D, otherwise I rather choose sigma SD9

Edward Kang , October 13, 2004; 08:31 P.M.

Kudos.

Scott MacRae Collingwood , July 28, 2009; 02:25 P.M.

I have two of these, and really enjoy using them.


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