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Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II Preview

by Bob Atkins

On September 21st a number of Canon websites released information on a new EOS DSLR, the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II. This wasn't a big surprise as strong (and mostly accurate) rumors have been circulating about this camera for a while.

As expected the pixel count has been increased (from 11.1 to 16.7 MP, making it the 35mm DSLR pixel champion - at least for a while!). The image buffer is also now larger for JPEG files (32 vs. 11), though the RAW buffer isn't much bigger (11 frames vs. 10) which is a little disappointing. Frame rate is up slightly (4fps vs 3.3fps), a small but usable improvement. Canon now also provide USB connectivity as well as Firewire (IEEE 1394), though for some reason only the slow USB 1.1 protocol is supported, not the faster USB 2.0, so Firewire is clearly the preferred option for rapid data transfer.

An optional wireless adapter which will allow IEEE802.11b/g wireless transfer will be available for the 1Ds Mark II, but no details on the price are currently available. The 1Ds MarkII should sell for just under $8000, pretty much the same as the 1Ds. It looks like Canon's current DSLR strategy is to hold prices, but give increased performance and features (10D to 20D, 1Ds to 1Ds Mark II).

The following table summarizes the major differences between the Canon 1Ds and 1Ds Mark II.

Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II

Canon EOS 1Ds

Image Sensor 24x36mm 16.7MP CMOS 24x36mm 11.1MP CMOS
Image Size Options 4992 x 3328
3600 x 2400
3072 x 2048
2496 x 1664
4064 x 2704
2032 x 1352
Buffer JPEG: 32 frames
RAW: 11 frames
JPEG: 10 frames
RAW: 10 frames
Max Frame Rate approx. 4.0 fps approx. 3.3 fps
Image Processor DIGIC II DIGIC (?)
Flash E-TTL II E-TTL
Memory Card Compact Flash (I/II)
Secure Digital (SD/MMC)
Dual writing capable
Compact Flash (I/II)
ISO Range 100-1600 (normal)
Optional L:50 and H:3200
100-1250 (normal)
Optional L:50
LCD monitor 2.0" TFT - 230,000 pixels 2.0" TFT - 120,000 pixels
Horizontal/Vertical sensor Yes No
Interface IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
USB 1.1
IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
Zoom on Playback 1x to 10x 1x to 3x
Color Balance Image Sensor Image Sensor
External Sensor
Color Matrix Space (4) sRGB
Adobe RGB
(2) User configurable
(4) sRGB
Adobe RGB
Wireless Options IEEE802.11b/g wireless None

 

Here is the text of the official Canon Press Release

LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., Sept. 21, 2004 — At long last, catalog and commercial photographers, stock photographers, studio portrait specialists and other professional photographers of every stripe and specialty can capture brilliant high impact images and enjoy the speed, economy, flexibility, increased workflow and productivity that only digital offers, with Canon's new 16.7 megapixel EOS-1Ds Mark II SLR.

"The EOS-1Ds Mark II digital SLR camera establishes a new benchmark of innovation and excellence not only for Canon but for our industry as a whole and particularly for the community of professional photographers who are our most demanding and discerning customers," stated Yukiaki Hashimoto, senior vice president and general manager of the consumer imaging group at Canon U.S.A., Inc., a subsidiary of Canon Inc (NYSE:CAJ). "Up to now, many professional and commercial photographers have been wedded to their medium format film cameras in order to ensure the excellence of their images and the ability to make dramatic enlargements with virtually no reduction in quality. With this remarkable new pro digital SLR, we are sending a message to those medium format fans: your digital dream has been fulfilled."

For those wishing to get a first glimpse of that dream, production models of the new EOS-1Ds Mark II camera will be on display at the Canon booth at the Photokina trade show in Cologne, Germany starting on Sept. 28th and at New York City's Photo Plus show starting on Oct. 21st at the Jacob Javits Convention Center. The EOS-1Ds Mark II camera body carries an estimated street price of $7,999 and is scheduled to begin shipping in November.

The successor to Canon's 11.1-megapixel EOS-1Ds SLR introduced in 2002, the new 16.7-megapixel EOS-1Ds Mark II camera utilizes a full-size 24x36mm CMOS sensor that eliminates focal length conversion factors, and features dramatically improved image quality made possible by the combination of new image sensor technology together with Canon's exclusive DIGIC II image processor.

The new CMOS sensor features larger microlenses over each photosite compared to the EOS-1Ds resulting in an improved signal-to-noise ratio. On-chip noise reduction has also been improved to produce a cleaner signal before the image data is transferred to the DIGIC II image processor. The DIGIC II processor in turn produces rich, high-chroma color gradations for more naturally rendered images. Indeed, it is the combination of Canon's proprietary CMOS sensor and DIGIC II technology that permits the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera to provide what was once considered near impossible: high definition at high resolution with extremely low levels of false color artifacts. DIGIC II also permits faster processing of large files and is twice as fast as the image processor used in the EOS-1Ds.

Color Space...
The EOS-1Ds Mark II camera provides five preset color matrix settings plus two custom settings (as compared with the five presets provided on the original EOS-1Ds camera). In addition, the support for the Adobe RGB color space is improved through the use of DCF 2.0 and Exif 2.21 file formats.

...And White Balance
Inherited from the EOS-1D Mark II model is the new camera's white balance correction feature that permits nine +/-adjustments in full step increments; compensation for blue/amber bias or magenta/green bias; white balance bracketing in three +/- full stop increments and auto white balance derived exclusively from image sensor data. The camera features a total of ten white balance settings:Auto, daylight, shade, cloudy, tungsten light, fluorescent light, flash, manual, custom and personal.

Fast, Fast, Fast
The EOS-1Ds Mark II pro digital SLR is ready for action just 0.3 seconds after its power switch is clicked on and fires a fast four frames per second at full resolution for bursts of up to 32 JPEG or 11 RAW images (compared with 3 fps for up to 10 frames on the original EOS-1Ds camera). In a commercial studio environment, the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera will actually shoot faster than the time it takes for most studio strobes to recycle. The camera also offers users ISO options from 100 to 1600 in 1/3-stop increments with the flexibility to expand the range to ISO 50 or ISO 3200 by utilizing the camera's custom functions.

While the new 1Ds Mark II camera occupies the prestigious flagship position of Canon's professional digital line, it incorporates or surpasses many of the new technological advances introduced earlier this year on the 8.2 megapixel EOS-1D Mark II pro digital SLR, which has become a favorite of photojournalists, sports shooters and wedding photographers.

Like its 8.2 megapixel SLR sibling, responsiveness and user-directed adaptability are again clearly evident in the range of the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera's shutter speeds — from 1/8000 to 30 seconds and bulb (with user-set adjustments of 1/3, 1/2 or full stops). The camera's shutter lag time is just 55ms and focus is achieved in a virtual instant thanks to a 45-point AF system. Precision also extends to the EOS IDs Mark II camera's 21-zone metering sensor, which, as one would expect, works seamlessly with the E-TTL-II flash metering technology. Adding to the camera's versatility and ability to reflect the individuality of the photographer using it, the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera features 20 built-in Custom Functions with 65 settings and 27 personal function settings that can be uploaded to the camera with the use of dedicated software.

Recognizing that such customization can be time consuming, all of the camera's settings can now be saved to a memory card and shared with multiple cameras. Should the camera need servicing, the settings can be stored and reloaded after the work is done.

With 16.7 effective megapixels (out of a total of 17.2 megapixels) packed on to a 36.0 x 24.0 mm CMOS sensor, the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera offers the world's highest pixel count in a 35mm, full-size digital AF SLR camera. In the JPEG Large and RAW modes, the 4992 x 3328 recorded pixels are easily capable of making 16 x 24 inch enlargements. What's more, the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera has sufficient resolution to generate a full double page spread at 300 DPI, considered the "Holy Grail" of catalog photography.

Unlike the original 1Ds camera that featured only two image quality settings, the new EOS-1Ds Mark II model places greater control and discretion in the photographer's hands and offers a choice of five image quality settings: RAW (16.6 megapixels); Large JPEG (16.6 megapixels); Medium 1 JPEG (8.6 megapixels), Medium 2 JPEG (6.3 megapixels), and Small JPEG (4.2 megapixels). RAW files and JPEGS can be shot separately or simultaneously, for maximum flexibility according to the desired workflow.

E-TTL II Flash Exposure Control
The EOS-1Ds Mark II Pro Digital SLR camera incorporates the E-TTL II Flash control system first introduced on the EOS-1D Mark II model earlier this year. Though it remains compatible with all EX-series Speedlites as well as the E-TTL wireless autoflash system, the smarter E- TTL II flashmetering algorithm evaluates the subject as a "plane" rather than a simply a point and ensures that images containing various colors and levels of reflection are captured accurately and optimally. The system compares the ambient light with pre-flash data reflected off the subject and recorded by the central 17 metering zones. It then selects the areas with a small difference to be weighted for flash exposure calculation. The system eliminates or under-weights areas with large differences, recognizing them as an extremely reflective object in the background or a highly reflective subject, then smartly ensuring it by considering the distance information data provided from compatible EF lenses. The system similarly prevents over-exposure when photographers lock focus and recompose the shot by considering the flash output level calculated according to the distance. The camera also allows users to select an averaged metering pattern by using its custom function settings.

Pick A Card...
Like the 8.2 megapixel EOS-1D Mark II digital SLR that Canon announced in January, this new 16.7 megapixel EOS-1Ds Mark II model is equipped with two dedicated card slots for Compact Flash (Type I or II) and SD memory cards and allows for either simultaneous backup recording for situations where image capture is critical or individual recording on separate cards for capture of an enormous number of images.

The EOS-1Ds Mark II camera also features a brilliant and easy to read 230,000 pixel high detail color LCD Monitor (compared with a 120,000 pixel display on the original EOS-1Ds), that measures two inches on the diagonal and provides 100% coverage. Image playback can be automatic after an image has been captured and is also reviewable by simply pressing the "display" button on the rear of the body. The monitor is equipped with a magnification feature that provides a 1.5 X to 10X scrollable zoom in 15 stops, enabling users to check the focus and exposure of their images with a new level of on-the-spot precision. The monitor also provides five brightness settings, a new and bolder typeface to allow for easier reading of text menus and an auto rotation feature that automatically rotates a vertically shot image to enable easier viewing and downloading. Manual clockwise rotation of the image is also possible by 90, 270 or 0 degrees through the image rotation menu.

RGB Histogram
Contributing to the precision and control afforded to its users, The EOS-1Ds Mark II camera's RGB histogram display enables separate checking of color and brightness information for the red, green and blue channels. The RGB histogram can also be used to check other color information not available in the brightness display such as white balance bias, color balance, color saturation and the compression of color gradations. Available when viewing any recorded image in the Single (Info.) image playback mode, the RGB histogram is displayed as an alternate to the luminance histogram, which draws attention to overexposed portions of the picture that lack image information.

Improved Interface
In addition to the professional-standard four pin IEEE1394 (Firewire) port that enables high speed computer interface at 100 megabits per second, the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera features a new video output terminal which supports TV connection, facilitating the viewing of images on a television screen, as well as a USB port for connection to a computer or Direct Printing with BJ Direct, Canon's Compact Photo Printers and PictBridge compatible printers.

Able to stand up to real world conditions — from environmental portraiture, nature, travel or "annual report" type images to high-volume catalog photography, family portrait studios or event imaging applications — this fast and fine thoroughbred SLR is also a rugged, lightweight, weather resistant magnesium alloy workhorse, with a shutter durability-tested to 200,000 exposures (50,000 more than on the original 1Ds camera). The camera's EF lens mount is made of stainless steel and is fully compatible with all Canon EF lenses (except EF-S lenses), as well as TS-E and MP-E lenses. Adding to its allure, the new EOS-1Ds Mark II camera fairly sips power from its battery, executing approximately 1200 shots per charge, double that of its original (and recent) EOS-1Ds ancestor.

Bundled Software
The EOS-1Ds Mark II camera is bundled with two software CD-ROMs: the EOS Digital Solution Disk (ver. 9.0) which includes Windows and Macintosh versions of the EOS Viewer Utility (ver. 1.2) which allows image downloading, RAW image adjustment and camera setting specifications; EOS Capture (ver 1.2) and PhotoStitch as well Twain and WIA Drivers (Windows only). The second disk, Digital Photo Professional (ver. 1.5) includes a newly updated RAW image processing application to handle the workflow demands of professional photographers. It enables high-speed RAW image processing and preview, support for sRGB, Adobe RGB and Wide Gamut RGB color spaces and is Color Management System (CMS) compatible. The EOS Capture software supports tethered shooting with Digital Photo Professional as well as EOS Viewer Utility to provide a powerful performance combination for studio photographers. As with the EOS-1D Mark II model, no third party image retouching software is included.

Remotely Possible
New for the EOS-1Ds Mark II camera is the optional Wireless File Transmitter (WFT-E1A)**. Given the enormous popularity of LAN-based image transmission systems and the demands for higher speed image distribution in the reporting fields, Canon developed this new accessory that allows photographers to transmit images from their cameras directly to a computer over a wired or wireless local area network (LAN). The WFT-E1 transmitter includes a mini antenna, a long and short IEE1394 cable, a case and camera mounting screw. The transmitter will also be compatible with the EOS-1D Mark II and the EOS 20D digital SLR cameras via a firmware upgrade. Pricing for the WFT-E1 has not been finalized, but will be announced prior to initial dealer shipments in November.

A complete list of the Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II specifications can be found on the 1Ds Mark II specifications page

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Jackey Tse , September 24, 2004; 11:03 P.M.

There is no surprise, but a little disapointment is that it shoots only 4fps, comparing the 1D mark-II's 8fps, I think Canon's has lots of room to improve, but only making 4fps is certainly a minus for this camera.

Fred Joseph , September 25, 2004; 03:38 A.M.

Perhaps i misunderstand the specs but the camera has an 8.6 MPixel image size option. Presumably if you use that option you'll be able to shoot a lot more images before having to stop because the buffer is full. This may or may not speed up to 8fps as in the 1D Mark II. I'd like to know what others think about this possibility.

Vadim Onishchenko , September 25, 2004; 04:45 A.M.

Yes!!! Canon continues to please, but I personally prefer 1D mark II as speed 9fps all this not 4fps, but that that in 1Ds mark II twice is more pixels huge plus :)

Bob Atkins , September 25, 2004; 09:33 A.M.

Fred - I think you misunderstood. The frame rate does not speed up when using reduced image size. This is probably because the camera records full frame data and transfers all 16.7 megapixels on every shot and the image size reduction is then done in software before storage, so the total data transfer and processing time doesn't speed up with smaller files.

Gregory Stuart G, , September 25, 2004; 12:59 P.M.

This camera was never designed as a sports camera. The 11 frame buffer and 4fps pretty much tells you that. This is a studio or locaion, people, camera. The WIFi will be great (I have a Mark II).

Let's just hope that putting all those pixels on the same size chip doesn't uncover other issues.

Guy S. , September 25, 2004; 01:37 P.M.

Fred, I think that you are thinking of Nikon D2X which has 12.4 MP @ 5 fps / 6.8 MP @ 8 fps.

check D2X at : www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp

1Ds II at : www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp

I also wondering about what coming next spring? EOS 3D or 5D ?

Neil D. , September 26, 2004; 08:24 P.M.

This sounds like a great camera. The pixal count makes this similar in pixel size & density to the 10D, with which I am very happy with!! If only I could afford this camera, I would order one immediately, as full-frame is one of my preferences.

Guy Hammond , September 27, 2004; 04:25 A.M.

Those complaining about FPS are totally missing the point. This is not a camera for sports shooters or photojournalists. Shooting handheld with a zoom lens, the 16MP sensor is totally wasted anyway! You might as well stick with the 4MP 1D mark 1 if that's your technique, you won't get any more fine detail from the 1DS-II! The "S" here is for "studio", this is a camera for advertising, fashion, and fine art photography. Canon has wisely realized that there are two markets with different needs, one needs more speed (the 1D range) and one needs more quality (the 1DS range). It does not care what Internet "measurebators" and "pixel peepers" think!

John Pavlakis , September 28, 2004; 12:53 P.M.

Canon is definitely on the right track. Is there a reason for no USB 2.0?

Now all they need to do is work on getting the size down to a 1V WITHOUT the power booster and then getting the cost down so that I can actually afford it...

Ray Negus , September 28, 2004; 07:48 P.M.

"Is there a reason for no USB 2.0"

Firewire is the professional standard. It is more reliable than USB.

(FYI - Firewire was invented by Apple Computer long before USB 2.0)

Aleksandar Milivojevic , September 28, 2004; 11:50 P.M.

"Firewire is the professional standard. It is more reliable than USB."

They have the same reliability, at least on PC. Although all potential users of this camera probably already have firewire, it would be nice move from Canon if USB interface was version 2.0. It would make it actually usefull. The way it is, USB connector on this camera is more or less just waste of space on camera body. Even on 6mp cameras, it is much faster to eject memory card from the camera, insert it into USB 2.0 reader, transfer the files, and return card back into camera, than to wait forever for files to be transfered over USB 1.1.

Andrew Robertson , September 29, 2004; 12:31 A.M.

Shooting handheld with a good zoom lens, with good technique, one is still able to take full advantage of the 1Ds II's sensor. I find it hilarious that anyone would think otherwise.

Ilkka Nissila , September 29, 2004; 08:00 A.M.

What do you mean by "full advantage?" Primes on a tripod give sharper images (see Michael Reichmann's tele comparisons on the 1Ds), so in that sense you're wrong. Also, if the subject is moving, it's extremily unlikely that the MP count would show in the images.

Eric H. Peterson , September 29, 2004; 07:06 P.M.

So what your trying to say is.... If I use my mamiya 7 with a normal lens hand held and I use my 35mm with a normal lens hand held I will get the same image quality at 16*20? I dont think so! The larger sensor given the same lens and technique should always give better results.

l uq , September 30, 2004; 11:09 A.M.

""Firewire is the professional standard. It is more reliable than USB." They have the same reliability, at least on PC."

Firewire has a higher sustained transfer rate than USB 2.0.

Ilkka Nissila , October 01, 2004; 03:08 A.M.

I'm not saying that. First of all, the Mamiya will reduce the graininess of the image irrespective of sharpness. This is not the case with digital.

But if the subject moves with respect to the camera at a sufficiently fast rate and the exposure time is long enough, it does not matter how many megapixels you have: blurred is blurred. For example, take a picture of a golf stroke. In order to have the club sharp to within 1 mm, you need approximately 1/100000 s shutter speed. So a 4 MP image would do fine for this shot.

Of course, even in a PJ context, you can use fast enough shutter speeds - at least sometimes, when there is enough light. In order to benefit from all those megapixels in the 1Ds II, you need quite a bit faster shutter speeds than what most people use when hand-holding (at least without IS).

Kevin Segedi , October 04, 2004; 05:05 P.M.

I have a 10D and never use the camera for data transfer. One reason, you can't transfer and use the camera at the same time. Using 2 1GB cards i can take loads of RAW photos and then transfer using a card reader. Personally i wouldn't mind if digital cameras had any usb or firewire ports, if the price drops, let it go the way of floppy drives on new PCs (or macs for that matter)

4 FPS! i'm fine with that as well, try crying to a sports photographer or photojournalist who was working in the 70s or 80s about how slow this is and they are likely to kick your butt into shape. at 16MP, i think we're being spoiled with a 50% increase in MP and even more FPS.

The only "problem" with this camera is that most of us here can't afford it! If someone can solve that problem for me...

Cedric Arnold , October 16, 2004; 04:28 A.M.

I am a longtime Canon and Medium format user but fairly new to digital imaging and a bit confused... This is an question to those of you who have had experience using the EOS 1Ds and also using digital backs. How did they compare? Does anyone have a link to some info? Can we now compare the EOS 1Ds mk2 with a Leaf 17MP Back? They have almost the same MP count. What about sharpness, noise, color etc... how do they compare? I have read that digital backs are superior on all fronts but just how big is the difference on the printed page? An important question since, if I am not mistaken digital backs cost 15000 to 30000 USD depending on the number of MP and the 1Ds mk2 is 8000 USD.

Ruslan Lavrentyev , November 04, 2004; 04:10 A.M.

I guess Canon have come to the genesis of digital. It is a great breakthrough, which has not been understood by many photographers yet.The situation will be the same as about professional camcorders 8 years ago. I think, futher increasing resolution (>20 mp)is not nesessary. Such CMOS demands superior prime optics. But for those who want direct printing is medium format worse? Bear in mind 100 times less power consumption with film.

Andrew Gough , November 08, 2004; 10:00 A.M.

Mine is on order. Full frame is an absolute requirement for my wide angle work.

Andy

Carl Smith , November 11, 2004; 12:26 A.M.

The lack of USB 2.0 is disappointing since as a plug and play connection it works more reliably than firewire in my experience.

I'm also interested about the loss of the external white balance sensor... and the inclusion of a lower res higher framerate mode would be nice... even better if they offered a cropped version and then a full frame version that sampled every other pixel. If they could work all that out I'd finance my family to get one.

Laszlo Horvath , November 17, 2004; 10:39 A.M.

To those worried for the price of the camera: In some years it will be really cheap to buy a 16.7 Mp camera from Canon. Just look at the pace in wich the performance of computers is growing and the pace of the price falling. This new digital marvel from Canon will be considered an obsolate piece of scrap in a relatively short time. I can remember that some 4 or 5 years ago the 3Mp digital cameras used by pro photojournalists were regarded as marvels. Would you buy one of those today? Today the lowest grade digital cameras have that resolution.

I wonder where is the pixel race going, how long will it last and where will it stop? Because 50 Mp will be reached in some years, but hardly anybody needs that number. So wich will be the upper limit? And how will photo cameras develop when that upper limit will have been reached? Will they transform them in movie cameras? They surely could do that, but I want to make still pictures and not movies.

I think this digital fever is a bubble growing and growing and it will burst sooner or later. Of course it has some advantages but I think it will reach the limits of rational quite quickly. And then? Will we be buying 20Mp disposable cameras? I'm pretty sure that with a bit of time they could push down the prices to disposable levels with the digital technology.

I stick to film and good old darkroom. It's much more fun to see how the image appears on the paper gradually in the developer, than to see it coming out of a printer. At least for me.

Can somebody here tell me where is it going? How will a digital foto camera look like in ten years time? Will there be a digital photo camera at all in ten years time?

Jay Dougherty , November 17, 2004; 03:05 P.M.

To my mind, the biggest impediment to acquiring a 16 megapixel camera at this time is not necessarily the cost, although that is quite high, but the storage requirements, which cannot adequately be met with today's storage solutions for nonbusiness users.

It will be shockingly easy to consume 1 terrabyte of storage with pics from this camera. And one must remember that all of the photos should be backed up. So double the storage requirements you think you'll have. Backing up to DVDs, even double-density ones, is even now impractical. It really has to be hard drive to hard drive.

Even if one is willing to purchase, say, 8 300-gig hard drives for storage plus backup, there remains the problem of how to house them. Most towers max out at 4 3.5 inch drives per unit, so you're looking at two units minimum, and that's really just for the near future.

The storage requirements of even the 1DS, which I own, are hard to keep up with.

Quang-Tuan Luong , November 19, 2004; 10:52 P.M.

Jay, I don't see storage issues being that difficult to meet. A 160GB drive will hold 10,000 raw files and can be had for $100. Add a second mirrored drive for back-up, a bit of editing, and you can spend less than $200/year for storage of digital negatives. Just convert only the images you are using. A four-drive, firewire 800 (as fast as internal drives) enclosure with removable trays can be had for $330-$800. I agree with you that DVDs are a waste of time.

Ilkka Nissila , November 22, 2004; 03:37 P.M.

Do you guys really consider copying to another hard drive "backup"? What happens when you have a power spike and both your hard drives are dead? Norman Ibas?

Jayme Hall - Bardstown, KY , November 25, 2004; 01:02 P.M.

Anybody have any idea when Canon is going to start shipping this camera to the stores. Their site says mid Novemeber, but it's already past mid November and no stores I am aware of have it yet. What's the hold up? Any idea?

Tom Evans , November 25, 2004; 01:17 P.M.

The cameras have been in stores like B&H and others since November 15th. But they were gone fastly. Last tuesday (November 23rd), the second group of cameras were gone in half an hour. A lot of photographers are pre-ordering this camera in stores.

Sanyi Deme , December 17, 2004; 02:06 A.M.

Last Saturday night I did an experiment. I took a 1971 Canon FTb with the high quality concave 35mm f2 SSC lens (of the rare earth radio active glass abandoned by Canon in ~1976) and 1600 Fuji Film.

I went walking around photographing what my home city has to offer for Christmas celebrations and also the architectural highlights - hand held.

Printed the results on 6"x4" using a lab that still uses light printing rather than digital scans. The old pro photographer and lab owner thought I had used a tripod for all my shots.

So for a camera given away free and a $US140 lens I achieved great shots without spending $US8000.

What have I missed by staying with film? Can someone please explain.

Sanyi

Beepy . , December 19, 2004; 10:26 P.M.

Following the posting of this article Michael Reichmann posted a comparison of the Canon 1Ds Mark II with a P25 digital back. (This is a response to the question above of comparing to medium format digital back).

Paul Chaplo , December 24, 2004; 10:44 A.M.

How do you add a persistent comment about such a rapidly changing technology as digital cameras? The Canon 1DsMarkII is the current state of the art for professional DSLR camera design. It is improved in terms of higher ISO performance over the original 1Ds. Images equal the quality of scanned medium format film. For a working pro, it is a great tool that will serve for 3 years. Canon price is premium, but at this time, Nikon and the other manufacturers do not have a competitor. In terms of technology, this may be the uppper end of what can be accomplished in terms of resolution with well-controlled noise with a Bayer CMOS sensor in a 35mm-form-factor.

JuanCarlos Torres , December 31, 2004; 05:37 P.M.

This is the greatest digital camera on the market. I just sold my Canon 1Ds. I can't wait to get mine. It should be here next week.

Michael Winokur , December 31, 2004; 09:08 P.M.

I love how there are always debates about new and old technology, it happens whenever some new tool becomes available. The key word is tool, your camera is just a box of gears, a hammer or a watch if you prefer. We Americans tend to be overly interested in technology. In the end I could care less if you use a wood 4x5 camera or a digital capture. What to you have to say? That's what matters.

Oh, and if you make your living from photography, having the right hammer matters, not because of art but because of economics, client demands and deadlines.

-Michael

Daniel Erwin , January 02, 2005; 01:33 A.M.

Perhaps the practical (i.e., cost/benefit) upper limit for MP in a "full-frame" 35mm-based system is the resolving power of current Canon "L" zoom lenses (as good as they are), rather than the maximum number of quality pixels that can be crammed into this area - 20MP? 25MP? (assuming continued use of Bayer sensors). Having to use primes just isn't practical for a lot of users, and there is a huge installed base of "L" zooms out there that would have to be upgraded at enormous cost. At some point, the cost of medium format digital has to become a competative factor for anyone who needs to make large prints but doesn't need a 35mm type system for shooting action.

Also, I think Canon is missing a tremendous marketing opportunity by dropping the 11MP 1Ds from the product line. I feel they should have given folks who want to buy a new fully warrantied "pro" body/features a choice between the 11MP 1Ds (where image quality is more important) and the 1D MK II (when speed is of paramount importance) in the "intermediate" price range between the 20D and the 1Ds Mk II. Of course, I haven't spoken with anyone who wouldn't love to see the 11MP "full frame" digital sensor from the 1Ds transplanted in a 20D-type body either.

Ilkka Nissila , January 07, 2005; 12:13 P.M.

Probably the reason is that Canon wouldn't be able to make a profit making the original 1Ds at a price below 7k.

Roy Zoellner , January 09, 2005; 01:38 A.M.


New Years Day 2005 with the dogs

"What have I missed by staying with film? Can someone please explain." Sanyi

In the choice of film or digital one has to realize what is best for themselves. I'm not a pro or anything of the sort. I just enjoying takinging pictures. For me the thrill comes from taking pictures of my family or taking pictures at events and having them online a short time after to share with whom I know. New Years Day my wife, myself, and our three Airedales joined my brother, wife and his dogs at the lake for a cold January swim for the dogs. My brother was delighted that after a short time of being home I had pictures of the dogs online to view. For others the thrill, as stated from Sanyi is seeing your image that "you" captured slowly appear under a mixture of solutions in a little pastic tray.

For me the gratification comes from being able to quickly share my images. For others it is the working of chemicals or communicating to a developer exactly what they want, all done to achieve the common goal of producing a image 'you' can be proud of. roy

Albert Yang , February 06, 2005; 09:46 P.M.

The problem is, we are currently at (in terms of digital cameras) where we were before with computers and cell phones. Computers for the most part, have flattened out greatly..

The megapixel race is hitting its ceiling with the consumer digicams (my cousin just bought a 5Mp one, but opted to choose 3MP only, as she has never printed a pic from her digicam, and 5MP on screen is a waste so she gets twice the storage on the same card)

We have 7 and 8MP digicams.. crammed into a 2/3" sensor.

I find we are going to hit a MP ceiling in the APS sized sensors in about 3 years, and hit a ceiling for the full-frame 35mm sensors..

What I have been saying though is, I will take a full frame sensor that will do ISO 25-6400 but is 6MP... Give me good color and ISO latitude... This is the field I see we are going to head towards when we are done with the stupid MP counting.

Give me shadow detail, and don't blow out my highlights.. Give me ISO 25 (How about ISO 12??) So I can take pictures of waterfalls without using an ND filter. These are the things I'm looking for..

As far as top resolution, I'll leave that to the medium format backs. Give me a 120MP 6x6 Hassey back...

Dan Colvin , February 10, 2005; 08:03 P.M.

sanyi asked: "What have I missed by staying with film? Can someone please explain."

I can speak personally about why I am transitioning to digital aquisition from film. This is an ongoing process for me and most of my shooting is still film on a hassy 2.25 square format. I then make high end scans to work digitally with the prints. I can see from watching the progress of current digital technology that I am fast aproaching a point where I will want to shoot digitally as well.

why? the number one reason for me will be extended dynamic range. I have a betterlight scanback for my sinar 4x5 that allready aquires more ev range than any film I have ever shot with. but it is not practicle for most outdoor shooting. Ansel Adams zone system is a great system for making the most of hi contrast situations (like those found in landscape photography) but even his black and white negtives are not quite as hi lattitude as the scans I've seen from the betterlight scan back. So that's a big reason right there. I would say the second big reason is being able to cut out the lab and get images into final form much faster. I find that removal of time barriors often expands creative possiblity. I'm very interested in the new canon eos 1ds mark II because on many levels it seems to rival medium format fillm. However I can't seem to get any specific information on dynamic range or signal to noise ratio. Anybody seen that for this product?

Richard Mitchell , February 13, 2005; 12:32 A.M.

Dan:

I agree with the comment on the dynamic range of digital...one compelling reason to shoot digital. I've used a Canon 10D for a little over a year, and often shoot multi-image "stitched" images to achieve 80 Mpixel resolution...but the most amazing quality of digital is the wider dynamic range. I know this has been discussed and sometimes disputed, and I don't even own a 1Ds Mark II...but my first experiment with my 10D (1st day I owned it) was to calibrate the meter on the relatively neutral siding of my house and to test the white balance. While doing this, I exposed in 1/2 stop increments from -4 stops to +4 stops, and amazingly was able to see a fair amount of detail all of the way out to -4 and to +4 stops. Of course, there are come compromises at the "fringes of exposure" that were revealed by this test..., but even the 10D sensor can record reasonable detail across an amazingly wide range of intensities. By -3 1/2 stops, there is a significant "green shift", but even at +4 stops (where highlights were getting blown out...the remaining details (from the neutral gray of the wood siding) were still clearly visible.

An additional benefit of digital (I still shoot both film and digital) is that the EXIF file is a real benefit to someone who is still learning...and helps "accelerate the learning curve". Together with instant feedback, I would happily recommend digital to anyone learning photography. Film vs. digital...they both have their (complementary) strengths...there are times when digital works best, and times when film is the only way to shoot the scene. Neither is superior...they are both different, and we are lucky to live at a time when both are available!

Robert Gordon , February 24, 2005; 08:00 A.M.

There is a poster size portrait if Bo Derek by Greg Gorman in the Mar/Apr 2005 American Photo that is of spectacular technical quality. I'm a Nikon D100 and Leica M shooter but my goodness 35mm-like digital has already blasted past medium format and is closing in on 4x5. Sure wish b/w would catch up with color.

John MacPherson , March 02, 2005; 03:09 A.M.

I just obtained a 1Dsmk2. I shoot a variety of work in various situations (mostly outdoors) requiring 35mm, MF (645 and sometimes 69). I decided on the 1DsMk2 because I think it delivers the quality I need. My film and process bill for the last 12 months was only $700 less than the cost of the new camera body. This will also be offset by the sale of some MF gear. I have posted some real world images taken last week of some wildlife subjects, taken under a mix of controlled and wild situations. These are not scientifically undertaken lab images but real working pictures shot in mixed lighting and weather, some handheld some tripod. I have included the full frame for reference and a crop at 100% from the original image file. I was particularly impressed with the image quality with the Canon converters. The camera is merciless in showing up the shortcomings in lenses, and side by side comparisons with prime and zoom images reveals considerable differences. Images are here if anyone is interested:

Jay Dougherty , March 10, 2005; 01:46 P.M.

Just one file from this camera saved as TIFF or PSP can be close to a whopping 100 MB. 10 files = 1 GB. Can you say "need more hard drives, daily"?

Read user experiences carefully before jumping on this unit. Lots of folks who switched from the 1DS to the Mk2 version are missing their original 1DS, which produces/d sharp output, great colors, and reasonable file sizes straight out of the camera. Post processing required on this new unit to achieve the same "pop." I'm staying put with the 1DS, thank you very much.

I've used and worked with files from the 20D. I'd say that for most people, pros and amateurs alike, the 20D camera is more than good enough.

Hanson Evan , March 18, 2005; 09:09 P.M.

There is a poster size portrait if Bo Derek by Greg Gorman in the Mar/Apr 2005 American Photo that is of spectacular technical quality. I'm a Nikon D100 and Leica M shooter but my goodness 35mm-like digital has already blasted past medium format and is closing in on 4x5. Sure wish b/w would catch up with color. -- Robert Gordon, February 24, 2005

I'm sorry Robert but I have to respectfully disagree. I thought the poster of Bo was horrendous. Jaggies in the hair, uneven softness, and strange color artifacts under her chin.

Tony Torres , October 27, 2005; 10:54 A.M.

I would like to ask a question about something with cmos scratches. if I post an image, can someone tell me if it is scratch, or not. This goes out to all Professional Photo Tech peeps. I would like to know if it is, or not scratch. I had the camera sent 3 times to have it cleaned and they are unable to take out this speck on the upper right corner of the image, but on the image sensor it is located on the lower left side of the image sensor.

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Ben Pierce , January 17, 2006; 01:24 A.M.

Maybe we should look at two or three photos where the same "scratch" occurs.

Jonathan Farmer , January 19, 2006; 08:18 P.M.

"Getting the job done on time" "Time is money" "Being competative" I guess this has a lot to do with why a pro goes digital. I do landscape but having just turned 50 I find it more and more challenging to lug the old m. format 6x7 with 4 prime lenses up a 5 mile track in the tropics to get that big image of the waterfall (know what I mean) Give me all the magapixil you have with good contrast and a super fine 15-200mm 2.8 lens and I will think I died and went to Picture heaven. Having said all that, digital has replaced 35mm, but to say it is better than 6x7, I don't think so!!!! I am sure in a short time it will and the hard part is waiting. I hope when that 30 meg camera does come out I can still climb that hill to shoot that waterfall.

Robert Brophy , February 16, 2006; 04:58 P.M.

Well if you want a real high end megapixzilla go out and shot with a Hasselblad H2D --------- 22 count em 22 megapixels---------- The 1Ds MK ll is awesome for on location shooting but it does not rate with the H2D,

Jonathan Farmer , February 17, 2006; 05:18 P.M.

Mamiya is about to introduce the ZD which is also a 22 megapixle camera but faster and less expensive and it's shaped like a 35mm SLR. Will cost around $12000.00 body only.

Susan Butler , March 19, 2006; 09:51 P.M.

I'm really astounded that someone would think that the camera's maximum fps rating means anything. I'm a life-long motorcycle sports photographer who can attest to this camera's unlimited power. The camera's buffer makes this camera feel no different than the 35mm film based 1vhs that I still have which hasthe capability of almost twice the fps rating.

For anyone considering the purchase of this camera - you won't regret it (as long as you are technically inclined to some degree). The camera has many advanced features that pose a potential frustration level to those who don't understand the essentials to digital photography.

And by the way, the SanDisk Extreme III CF Card at 4GB is a luxury to some, but a must have for me (shooting RAW image format).

Happy photographing!

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Tony Torres , March 21, 2006; 02:44 A.M.

CANON 1DS MARK 2 DUST PROBLEMS SPAIN SERFOTO SUCKS ASS THEY CHARGE ME 104 EUROS AND NEVER GOT THE CAMERA CLEAN, CANON SHOULD REVOKE THEIR LICENSE HERE IS THE SAMPLE IMAGE AND THERE IS ANOTHER IMAGE ON THIS SECTION OF CAMERA PREVIEW UNDER TONY TORRES SAME DUST OVER AND OVER THE IMAGE

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Tony Torres , March 21, 2006; 02:45 A.M.

ANOTHER DUST BUNNY HERE AGAIN IN THE IMAGE

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Sting Ray , October 14, 2006; 06:45 P.M.

I almost bought this camera but someone said something about the 1Ds Mk3 coming sometime soon with a 22Mp sensor! Im sure that if this is the case, this camera will be the quality sought after by those demanding clients that want nothing less than perfect photos! So, I'm gonna wait.. i just hope its not too long coz i need to buy very soon.

David Crenshaw , December 12, 2006; 04:15 P.M.

Sting Ray --

The Mk III is really still just a legend at this point, mostly conjecture among Canon fanatics. Canon has said nothing to hint at a Mk III being in development. One probably is, but they don't seem to be in a rush to get it to market.

Nikon just recently released a revised version of their top-of-the-line DSLR, the D2Xs, and it still doesn't have near the horsepower of the Mk II, which is possibly why Canon doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to release a Mk III anytime soon.

Tommy Huynh , January 19, 2007; 07:38 P.M.

I've been shooting with one since they first came out. My thoughts are:

Image quality: A, some complain about the skin tones but that can be fixed easily by using the PS channel mixer (add some red to the GB channels).
User Interface: D-, the UI is as unintuitive as ever. Canon really needs to revamp the 1 series, many pros feel the same way. Changing memory cards, enabling MLU, etc.. involves way too many steps
EOS System: A, this is after all what you are investing in when you buy a body. Selection of lenses, speedlites, features on lenses (ie IS, USM, etc..) are unmatched.

The bottom line for me is despite the awful UI, and let me rant here about the monstrosity that they call the battery charger, there's no competition. I love my wide angles and I love shallow DOF. Nikon has no FF camera (as of yet) so this is a no brainer for me. The 5D looks appealing with its low weight but the durability and dust issues rule it out for me.

Taking advantage of the full frame and shallow DOF with the 85mm F1.2 lens:

dmitri markine , August 21, 2007; 05:07 A.M.

As Canon 1Ds Mark III was just anounced,hopefully it will drive the prices down a little bit. Mark II is based on a 4 years old technology. I tould seem odd to buy into it,when you can have a newer camera for just a little(for now) more. At this point I can see Medium Format guys turning their heads towards the new MKIII. 21Mp is not something we expected. Go Canon!! ------------------------------------


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