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A Pro Photographer's review of the Leica M6 and lenses for it

by Kirk Tuck

Everyone seems to have an opinion about the Leica M series rangefinder cameras, yet so few people have actually picked one up and used it for enough time to understand the unique features and benefits that make it one of the finest tools for certain kinds of photography.

The two current models of the M6 are called the M6 .72 ttl, and the M6 .85ttl and they represent the latest in the evolution of a family of cameras created in 1953, starting with the M3. All M cameras are rangefinder cameras. Unlike most popular professional cameras today the photographer does not view the image through the taking lens, rather, there is a viewfinder which displays frame lines that correspond to the focal length of the lens that is mounted on the camera.

In the center of the viewfinder is a rectangular patch of yellow, which is the rangefinder. A rangefinder works by triangulation. The user focuses the camera by overlaying two images within the small rectangular patch on top of each other in the viewfinder as he or she focuses the lens. When the images are coincident (when they match up) the image is now in focus. This system, when well designed and produced, is very superior in accuracy when focusing lenses of 50mm and wider compared to slr cameras. While accurate focusing a manual SLR relies on the ability of your eye to distinguish sharp from unsharp, the rangefinder is much more "binary". The image is either in or out, there is no amount of gray area as there is in an SLR. As light levels drop the ability of the human eye to discern sharpness drops as well, making SLR's "iffy" for available light photography. The rangefinder only depends on matching up two identical images so that they overlap. Focus is much easier to discern in low light or when using optics that have slow maximum apertures. Additionally, the manual focusing puts the user in charge. Often, even the best autofocus cameras lock onto elements that the photographer did not intend and the focus is not what it could be. This "mis-focus" is hard to see in viewfinders that were not intended to be used for critical focusing as in the case of autofocus cameras, which are optimized to create the brightest images in the viewfinders.

While 35mm SLR's have dominated the market, and the camera bags of professional and amateur photographers alike, the M series Leica cameras have been steadily growing in popularity and are often the "personal" camera of choice for top working pros who also shoot Canon and Nikon autofocus SLR's. They find that their favorite photographs are often taken with the camera that puts the least complexity between the user and the image.

The way I use my M cameras and lenses.

The M's are a great camera for situations where you can't stop and set things up. You are capturing moments or documenting events. I often recommend Leicas to other photographers as the perfect wedding cameras. A typical assignment would be the one I did recently for a pro bono client, a People's Clinic. They needed images of the doctors, nurses, pharmacists and administrators providing services to their clients. They wanted the photography to be non intrusive and unposed and yet they needed high quality color images for reproduction on posters and in brochures.

I went with three cameras and three lenses. The cameras were two M6's and an earlier model, the M5. All have excellent through the lens almost spot meters. Each was loaded with Kodak's Supra 400 color negative film. (this is a fine grain film that is easily correctable when shot under fluorescent lighting). The lenses were the 35mm Summicron ASPH, the 50mm Summilux 1.4 and the 90mm APO Summicron.

The two M6's, one with the 50 and the other with the 35 are worn around my neck on straps set to different lengths, allowing one to hang above the other. The 90 on the M5 over my shoulder.

I shoot quietly and wait patiently for the moment I want. The Leicas are almost silent. The image through the finder is always bright and in focus making evaluation of the scene easier. The frame lines show the current cropping while the area outside the framelines is visible and available. I start by quickly metering the room with the 50mm camera. I commit certain readings to memory. There are usually only two or three meter differences in each room. I set all three cameras and lenses to the same settings. While the people know I'm in the room I try not to have any eye contact with them. I become boring and try to visually recede so that the health practioner becomes the center of attention. I scan the room through the finder looking for the right composition. I move the camera a little from side to side to see if I can improve the framing. I may use the preview lever to see how the scene would look through one of the other lenses. I focus on the eyes and try to find something to lean against while releasing the shutter. I try to ignore all conversation so that I shoot for the design and composition and not emotionally.

If you hear that a person is a heroin addict, or that a person is dying, it changes your emotional response to the shooting but it doesn't change the scene. It doesn't come across on film. Better to leave the emotion out of it. I shoot quietly and work the scene with several of the lenses. The cameras are so quiet that the patient and doctor often forget I'm in the room. It's the same way I try to shoot corporate meetings and events. I work hard not to become part of the experience, not part of the entertainment. A motor drive in a 12 by 12 foot examination room is like a gun going off.

In most situations I like to shoot at f2 or f2.8, varying the shutter speed when necessary. With my Reflex cameras I'm lucky to be able to handhold the camera and produce sharp photos with any speed lower than a 125th of a second. With the M cameras I routinely produce images that are sharp at 1/15th of a second.

I mentioned that I meter the room and most times I do that by metering the tanned back of my own hand (poor man's incident meter). I then set the cameras and try not to look at the meter again. Funny thing is that I'm getting far more consistent exposure results with the M cameras than I got from my far more advanced Nikon F5 cameras in the same situations.

Here's why. When I meter my hand it meters the light falling on it and that light doesn't change during the shoot. When I shoot with the Leica I leave the exposure alone and since there is no option for auto-exposure I don't have the temptation to use it. When I used the F5 I was always lured by the siren call of advertising onto the rocks of "multi-matrix super integrated" automation. When I pointed the camera at the doctor's white coat the camera tried to compensate, kinda. When the camera pointed at the dark sweater of a patient the camera tried to compensate, kinda. According to my lab, this "kinda" automatic compensation means that most rolls of pro film are all over the map compared with film received ten years ago.

In fact, now my film rarely is more than 1/2 of a stop off and that makes a quality difference even with color negative film. At the end of a shoot like this the biggest compliment I can get is usually, "Gosh, you were so quiet I forgot you were here!"

What are some of the benefits of shooting with a simple, non-automated, rangefinder Leica?

Turns out there are many:

  1. The quietest shutter on the market. The camera is so quiet when the shutter goes off that normal room conversations are often enough to mask the click. In many situations, the less attention called to the photographer and the camera the better.
  2. The quickest, surest focusing with wide angle lenses of any 35mm camera. Photos taken with 35mm, 28mm 24mm and 21mm lenses can be critically sharp even at wide open apertures as the photographer no longer need allow for the slop of misplaced autofocus, or focus that it not critically sharp due to a legion of SLR focusing deficiencies.
  3. While on the subject of lenses, it is important to note that countless magazines, websites, independent tests and the testimony of countless thousands of professional photographers all concur that Leica's lenses (and especially their wide angles) are the finest in the world of 35mm. When you start with lenses that are sharp wide open, you have so much more flexibility in your shooting methods.
  4. A major advantage of the M6 Leica is it's general appearance. It looks so unlike the large professional camera, festooned with motors and prisms and enormous zoom lenses that most people mistake the M6 for an antiquated point and shoot camera. Not taking the camera seriously they relax and let their guard down. Just what you want if you are in the business of shooting candid photos.
  5. The lack of mechanical and electrical complexity, coupled with German engineering and manufacturing make for a camera that is supremely reliable. In fact, an independent magazine report noted that whereas the professional Nikons and Canons are engineered and produced with the target of 150,000 uses before failure, the M6 is engineered and crafted to deliver at least 400,000 cycles before wear makes repair or adjustment necessary.
  6. No moving mirror makes it easier to design lenses without compromise while at the same time assuring a smoother shutter release with less vibration to diminish the quality of the image. It also contributes to the reliability cited above.

The actual review

I have lived with both versions of the M6 camera for a little over two years now. Both are nearly identical but have viewfinders with different magnifications and a different assortment of framelines for different lenses. The M6 .72 has an image magnification in the viewfinder of .72 x life size. It will accommodate and show framelines for lenses from 28mm thru 135mm. The M6 .85 has an image magnifications of .85 x life size and will accommodate and show framelines for lenses from 35 to 135. Of the two, I prefer the .85 as I shoot at least half of the time with the 50mm lens and this version shows the 50mm framelines without any other framelines visible in the finder. The slightly enlarged viewfinder image also makes framing and composing a bit easier.

For the rest of the review I'll just refer to the M6 unless there is a compelling reason to mention one model.

If you've been using automatic SLR's and autofocus SLR's for a good while, the first few sessions with a non-automated rangefinder will leave you shaking your head and wondering what the heck you were thinking when you parted with upwards of $2,500 for a primitive camera body and one optic. Once you've had maid service, it's hard to go back. Most of us have gotten used to a camera that instantly sets exposure and snaps into focus the minute we bring it to our eye.

Even loading the film in a Leica seems awkward and confounding.

But then it starts to grow on you. The ergonomics are so much better than what we've settled for previously and the tight, well defined metering pattern makes metering less guess work and more science. The ability to prefocus without holding down special focus lock buttons seems so streamlined and easy. The depth of field scale on the lenses encourages us to play with hyperfocal distance focusing and to think more about the pictorial effect of depth of field. It's a camera you can take to lunch, a camera you can take on a date or even to a board meeting without attracting much attention or interest.

But it's really the image that you see through the viewfinder that will convince you that this camera is special. Very sharp and very bright. And one of the most delightful things for most serious shooters is the fact that there is one simple exposure indicator in the bottom of the finder and no other confusing letters, numbers, lights or arrows. If you are working with a separate, incident meter (as many pros do) you can remove the batteries from the camera altogether and it will still function. You just won't see any meter indications.

The best feature for me, when I am shooting in the street or in the board rooms of major corporations, is the fact that when I look through the finder of my camera, with a 50mm lens attached, the frame lines float in the finder and I can see on the other side of the framelines. This allows me to see new ways to compose or crop as well as seeing what may be coming into the frame. The SLR seems to impose a composition on it's user while a rangefinder camera shows you, the artist, what is available just a few feet to the left or the right (or the top or the bottom) of the framelines.

When I started to shoot with a manually focused camera again, the first thing I noticed about my style of shooting was that I began playing more with the edges of the frame. Unconstrained by centering the camera and locking focus and then recomposing, I would focus once and then shoot without bothering to focus again until I or my subject changed position or distance. Images started to come alive for me as compositions became more relaxed and I was able to take full charge of what I saw in the viewfinder.

Moving a step further, to a Leica rangefinder, I found the freedom of the viewfinder, with it's "window" to areas outside those shown within the framelines, pushed me to actively consider my compositions. Images are less centered and less formal. While a little lever on the front of the camera allows me to preview the framelines of any other lens whenever I please, without having to actually mount the lens on the camera.

Finally, I became permanently attached to the camera when I began to use it on travel assignments. Two bodies and four lenses took up about as much space in a camera bag as one Nikon F5 and one of it's companion lenses. Smaller and lighter is always better on overseas trips (or trips around the block, for that matter). I used to travel with the following in my bag for assignments:

Two Nikon F 5's, extra batteries, an 80-200 2.8 zoom lens, extra batteries, a 20-35 2.8mm zoom lens, extra batteries, a Noct-Nikkor 58 1.2 mm lens, extra batteries, and an 85mm 1.4 af lens. Almost twenty pounds of stuff, not counting flashes, film, accessories and connecting cords. Usually an extra, smaller body such as an N90 or the F100 went along so I could go out street shooting during the gaps in my working agenda. Let's call it twenty something pounds. The largest Domke bag, stuffed to the gills. Walking a block with this stuff was an exercise in, well, exercise. And back aches. Because of the heavy lenses and the mirror slap, a tripod was always required for available light photography, and you may have noticed that most professional users of autofocus cameras seem to use flash for everything, mostly to compensate for the inability to handhold these monsters securely.

Now I travel with the following: Two Leica M6 bodies. The 21mm ASPH, the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50 lens (Leica's answer to the zoom lens. One small, compact lens with three focal lengths. Very high imaging performance, even at full aperture). A separate brightline finder for the 28mm focal length, the 50mm Summilux 1.4 lens and the 90mm APO Summicron. A small Leica tabletop tripod and one small Leica SF20 flash unit. This kit tips the scale at only six pounds and change, and it fits in a medium sized Domke bag, giving me more room for film. This is a package that, with the exception of long focal lengths, gives me the same image range as the Nikon with results that are much superior.

Consider the case of the 21mm lenses. The Nikon zoom was very sharp, except in the corners, but it does have some pronounced distortion. To make the image as sharp in the corners as it is in the center requires stopping down to f5.6 or f8. This precludes handheld exposures in most interior locations. Out comes the tripod or the flash. With the 21mm ASPH for the Leica the distortion wide open is non-existent while sharpness and resolution wide open in the corners rivals the Nikon image's center at 5.6. Point and game to the M6 and the 21mm. Quick and painless. At the other end of the focal length choices one would assume that the 80-200 Nikkor would have it all over the 90APO Summicron but that isn't really so. Most of my use for long lenses is either for portraiture or the documentation of keynote speakers at corporate events. I'm usually positioned in the first row for the keynote speakers and am expected to get a good range of expressions during the speaker's performance while calling the least attention to myself. I also can't distract the speaker. Flash is strictly forbidden!

I generally use Kodak Supra 800 film with an 80C filter over the lens. This gets me halfway to the proper correction for daylight film with tungsten lighting and the lab can handle the rest of the correction. It also eats up a stop of light. Here's the choice: The huge, heavy Nikkor wide open at 2.8 with a shutter speed of 1/60th or the Leica 90 with an f stop of 2.0 and a shutter speed of 1/125. Guess which one is easier to handhold. Guess which one has less shake? Guess which lens is much sharper wide open? Yes, it's the Leica.

Additional Leica M benefits which are paramount under these conditions are it's much, much quieter shutter, quieter manual wind and a silent rewind.

The one area that the Nikon would seem to be superior is in the reach of it's 80-200mm zoom lens. But, the longer the focal length used, the greater the magnification of vibration from the mirror slap and the shake induced by human frailty. Surprising to me was the fact that a blow up from a partial area of the M6/ 90mm images was sharper than a full frame shot with the Nikon. The combination of the single focal length lens' higher sharpness wide open, the faster shutter speed and the ease with which the package could be hand held all were visible advantages.

Weaknesses of the Leica M System

While the M6 is the camera I choose for a lot of my work, it does have some weaknesses. To wit:

  1. This is not a camera with which to shoot sports or wildlife. The longest lens is a 135. And while it is arguably the best 135 lens in the world, most sports shooters and wildlife experts will tell you that, for them, photography begins at 400mm.
  2. This is not a camera for people who want a point and shoot. You must meter and set the shutter speed and aperture manually. You must focus. And you must master loading film like they did in the old days. No drop-in automatic film loading available.
  3. This is not a camera for folks who like to shoot outside with fill flash! The top shutter speed for flash sync is a paltry 1/50th of a second. About the only film you can reasonably use to do daylight fill flash would be Agfapan APX 25. And it's been discontinued by Agfa.
  4. The M6 would not be my first choice for studio camera as you cannot preview depth of field or attach an after market Polaroid back for testing. That being said, I've shot some great portraits with studio lights and the 90mm. The camera is a wonderful tool for non-intrusive photography, candid portraits and available light documentation, but the body is only half the system. The crucial point for many users is the lenses!

While the famous industrial designer, Alessi, stated that the Leica M camera body is one of the few designs of the 20th century which he thought was so perfect he would never try to change, it is the Leica M series lenses that are the real lure of the M system for most available light shooters. In the next section I'm going to talk about a number of the lenses and compare them with similar lenses that I've owned and used extensively in the Canon, Nikon and Contax G systems. As a corporate photographer I run a lot of film through my cameras and often log 100 to 200 rolls in a week. I get to know my cameras and lenses with an intense intimacy, in a short amount of time, that would take an amateur user years to match. Also, working with tools under pressure brings out the best and worst points in each piece of equipment. The following evaluations are subjective but are based on 20 years of looking and learning.

The Leica 21mm ASPH Elmarit. This lens is absolutely superb. It has a biting sharpness wide open that seems to be a shared family trait of all the newest Leica optics. I own the same focal length in the Leica R lens and find that I must stop down to at least f8 to even get near the ballpark of performance that the M lens gives me wide open. Both the Canon and the Nikon optics lack the corner sharpness of the Leica at any aperture and only come near to matching the performance of the Leica in the center of their images at f5.6 or f8. Also, most of the slides seem somewhat equal in sharpness until you put them in an enlarger and crank them up to a large size (16x20+). Then the differences really become apparent as the ultra fine detail just keeps coming in the Leica optic, the other lenses have no more detail to offer.

My experience with the Contax G series 21mm was relatively limited because the supplied finder exhibited high levels of distortion while the lens lacked contrast and bite. It was quickly returned to the dealer. In addition, the widest focal lengths really cry out to be manually focused and the manual focus of the G system is barely usable.

The Leica Tri-Elmar 28-35-50. This is a wonderful lens. Small and light, yet solid. I use it mostly in exterior locations as the f stop of f4 is limiting for use in low available light. At 50mm it is, to my eye, as good as the current 50mm M Summicron, thought by reviewers to be "the lens to beat" in 35mm normal focal lengths. At the middle apertures, most manufacturer's lenses are very good. Most of the difference is in the way they design for contrast rendition. The Tri-Elmar is a bit "snappier" or more contrasty than the samples from Nikon and Canon, and that is the main visible difference.

I do like the look of the Contax G series 45. It is not quite as snappy as the Leica product, but the colors and tones have a very pleasing, rich quality to them and the sharpness is equal to both the Leica products.

At 35mm the Tri-Elmar has high sharpness but there is a slight decline in contrast when compared to the 50mm focal length. The 35mm ASPH Summicron lens from Leica is the lens to beat in this focal length. The Tri-Elmar comes fairly close. Both are very far ahead of the single focal length lenses from the two Japanese SLR Manufacturers. The Contax G series 35mm lens has a flatter rendition and while the colors are rich, as in the 45mm, the sharpness is not as high.

Finally, at 28mm the lens is on par with the competition's lenses for the most part. The Leica has a bit more distortion but it also has a higher level of contrast. The images, on film, have their own characteristics, but, the ease with which the Tri-Elmar can be accurately focused on the rangefinder cameras becomes a clear advantage at this focal length as this is the point at which the SLR's limited wide angle focus/autofocus abilities start to fail. This is evidenced in the higher number of improperly focused images in both my samples and the samples and anecdotal evidence given by other professional shooters. Contrary to popular mythology, the depth of field of a 28mm lens wide open is not limitless! And it is certainly not enough to mask all focusing errors.

Since imaging quality is at least equal to all the single focal lengths compared, the real benefit is the tiny package this lens presents. The ability to carry three separate, high performance focal lengths in a space no bigger than a small SLR lens is a clear advantage. The ability to focus it accurately under all conditions is crucial to my success with this lens.

The 50mm Summilux. Leica's standard high speed optic of the M.

At this juncture I must confess that I love high speed, normal focal length lenses. I once bought an EOS-1 just to be able to use Canon's 50mm 1.0 L lens and their 85mm 1.2 L lens. Both of these optics were spectacular. It's unfortunate that they were rendered nearly unusable for quick reportage by USM motors that were as slow as molasses. Indeed, if these lenses had autofocus to match their on-film performance, or had a way of being used manually that would give you real time focusing, I would still be using them. They are superb and easily the equal of the Leica glass. That being said, the 50mm 1.4's from Nikon and Canon are nothing to write home about. Not very sharp wide open and not very contrasty stopped down. The 50mm Summilux blows them away at every stop. And it's half the size! The only high speed lens that is better wide open is Leica's latest 50mm Summilux for the R (reflex cameras) with eight elements and glass so cool that it must have been invented for NASA. This lens, the 80 Summilux and the 180 apo's are what keep me with Leica's SLR system for some assignments.

Both the Contax SLR 50's are decent normal lenses but, again, both are not as sharp wide open and both lack the contrast and super fine detail of the Leica products wide open. The only real contender is the G series 45 which, while different in it's rendition from the Leica products, is very, very good.

I use the 50 Summilux wide open for most of my "available darkness" shots. It is resistant to flare and nice and contrasty. The look of an image with a high degree of sharpness in a limited plane is a look that I think emulates the way the human eye actually sees and we are intrigued by all the stuff in the background that just blurs away. I believe that this lens and the M6 are the ultimate synergistic imaging system for me.

The 90mm APO Summicron. Too sharp.

I have owned four different 90mm Summicrons. The original with the tripod mount on the bottom. The next generation. The Summicron for the R series, and the current 90 APO. This lens cannot be compared to any competitor's lens or even other lenses within the Leica system. It is brutally sharp wide open, and retains that sharpness right on out to f16. If you must use this lens for flattering portraiture, be sure to filter it or shoot in low light so that the subject's breathing and slight movement take some of the sharpness out. I have kept the first version around for portraiture just for this reason. The first version is quite a bit softer wide open and has just a little flare in backlit situations. Using the latest APO version I have been able, using Kodachrome 25 and Fuji Velvia, to have 40 by 60 inch LightJet enlargements made that rival the sharpness I get with Hassleblad lenses and with most 4x5 lenses.

The above four lenses that I use most with my Leica M6's. Many Leica fans will be incredulous that I did not include either of the Aspherical 35mm's (the f2 and the f1.4) as they are widely considered to be among the best of the best of Leica's lenses. The truth is that I own the 35mm ASPH and have used it to good effect, but it's just not my favorite focal length. It's an impressive performer but one I use only when the 50 has my back up to the wall. I don't own the new 135mm APO-Telyt but I have used one. It's performance is wonderful, but I just can't seem to get comfortable with such a long lens on a rangefinder camera. The viewing frame in the finder is just too small. More experienced Leica users have told me that the almost life sized viewfinder of the M3 makes this lens a delight to use, but the M3 has no metering and no facility to use the modern lenses shorter than 50mm so I pass.

Contax G2 Versus Leica M6.

At first use the G2 seems to be a compelling choice. As the weeks drag on though, so does the camera. The G2 has a squirrely little finder that is not at all fun for users of eyeglasses. The autofocus doesn't always autofocus where I would like it to and the use of a focus hold button just bores/frustrates the hell out of me. There averaging meter pattern is less useful than the clearly defined pattern of the Leica meter. The rewind is motorized and much too loud to be used in a theater, a board room, a conference, a classroom or anywhere else when discretion is critical.

The limited selection of lenses doesn't include any high speed optics and, while the 28 and the 45 are superb the other choices are less so. The 90 is a nice lens but requires much skill to achieve consistent autofocus.

The manual focus makes the camera chancy for street shooting as many street shooters prefer to keep their lenses prefocused on a fixed distance and then fine tune the actual shooting distance the moment they bring the camera to their eye. The G2's manual focus isn't up to this challenge.

Finally, and this may just be a personal thing, but the G2 doesn't seem to have the right "feel". It seems just a bit off.

Leica M6 Body with Voightlander Lenses.

While I think it would be foolish to buy a Leica body and not buy some of their best lenses to go along with it. I've run into shooters at the Democratic convention in Los Angeles and fashionistas on South Beach in Miami who added more wide angle capability to their Leica kits with the Heliar 15mm lens and the 25mm Skopar lens and were very happy to have them. I must confess that I bought one of the 15mm's and used it extensively for an annual report job in December of 2000. It made wonderful images. Even the vignetting worked for the dusk images we captured. As to some of the other focal lengths, I would test them thoroughly before choosing. The Leica lenses that I've detailed are head and shoulders above most out there and are a great value/performance proposition.

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About me:

I'm based in Austin, Texas, been shooting professionally for 20 years and have worked recently in venues around the U.S. and Europe for IBM, Motorola, Dell, The Leo Burnett Agency, GSD&M, Cellular One, USAA, Time Warner Cablevision, Business Week, Elle Magazine and many more. When I started my business photographers were expected to shoot every format and for years we shot most things on 4x5. The 90's was the decade when we shed our 4x5 equipment. We are getting ready to let go of the medium format stuff. 35mm is starting to look incredibly good next to all the digital sfuff. But we shoot that too. The future. I'm shooting with film and Leicas and scanning with a Nikon LS-4000 until the next big thing.

My business philosophy is, Photography is a physical sport. Stay in shape!

To see more of my work, go to www.kirktuck.com


Article created 2001

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bruce wong , June 10, 2001; 09:35 P.M.

For me, digital photography looks awfully good next to 35mm.

John Blodgett , June 11, 2001; 01:58 A.M.

I quote: "I try to ignore all conversation so that I shoot for the design and composition and not emotionally...Better to leave the emotion out of it."

I'm curious of the rationale of this viewpoint.

Brian Stryker , June 11, 2001; 03:08 A.M.

I'm not doubting that Leicas are good cameras, but the comparisons you make are not necessarily the best in my opinion. I use a Nikon F2 and find it much less obtrusive than an F5, and lacking the noise of a motor drive. Also, it is completely mechanical and mf/me so it forces you to focus on taking the picture rather than being lazy as an F5 can lure one into doing. As far as weight, it is within i believe a couple ounces of the Leica with a comparable lens. Granted, it's louder than the M6 and is not as sharp due to mirror slap, but it has its advantages. For starters, i can get a much wider variety of lenses (e.g. >135mm) for much more reasonable prices. Also, instead of paying a couple thousand for my body i paid a couple hundred. I bought a new body, a 24/2.8, a 50/1.4, and a 180/2.8 for the same i would have paid for an M6 with no lens. Again, the Leica is a great camera but I would say that for the price one might be better off investing in a mechanical SLR.

Mani Sitaraman , June 11, 2001; 05:54 A.M.

A very sensible review that really gives you a feel for why this camera's fans like its ergonomics.

There is of course a TON of material on the web on the Leica M cameras. Be sure also to read the 80 odd pages (!) of user comments one menu level up from this review at

http://www.photo.net/photo/leica/

Some minor nitpicks...

"The quietest shutter on the market..."

Of all focal plane shutter 35mm cameras. Leaf shutters such as those in TLRs are inherently quieter, and the leaf shutter on a Rolleiflex GX makes the Leica sound like a rifle shot. The Leica shutter does merge into the background in most events, compared to the loud SLRs and whiny P&Ss of today, on the other hand. But its not totally unnoticeable at a quiet moment, at least within a 10-15 foot vicinity.


James Harvey , June 11, 2001; 07:58 A.M.

I think the bast validation of this review is the wonderful photographs at the bottom of it: you clearly get stunning performance our of your equipment, and that, in the end, is all the justification you need

T T , June 11, 2001; 11:51 A.M.

The rangefinder focusing patch on the M6 and M6 TTL is not yellow. At least on a new clean body, it is white/clearish.

Kirk Tuck , June 11, 2001; 11:53 A.M.

John Blodgett asked why I would separate the emotion of a situation from the photography. It's an interesting question. I find that if I get emotionally involved in something I'm shooting that the emotion and lack of objectivity tend amplifiy my visual reaction. But it never comes across on the film. To oversimplify, if I'm in a bakery and everything smells great and I'm feeling great and I shoot a photo of a loaf of this great smelling bread, I'm usually disappointed in the photograph as my memory contains all these other pyshiological clues that will never be there for the third party viewer. If I am affected emotionally by the plight of a clinic client I seem to develop a tunnel vision that distorts and changes my photographic seeing. I would try to establish the same emotional distance if I were writing about a patient. Just my thought on it.

Kirk Tuck , June 11, 2001; 12:02 P.M.

I've gotten several posts and Tom's reply above about my description of the rangefinder spots being yellow. My M3 frames and center rectangles are quite yellow. My M5 indicators are somewhat yellow, and both of my M6's seem to have lines and rectangles that are just barely yellow. In filter language they are about 2cc y. This is just the appearance to my eye. They are not profoundly yellow, just the barest hint. I don't know why. Other users say they are color neutral. Perhaps my eyes are incorrectly filtered......

Pete Su , June 11, 2001; 12:42 P.M.

A nice overview of the tradeoffs between M's and SLRs.

Although, complaining about the huge size and slow speed of the Nikon zooms seems a bit odd. There is nothing keeping you from using much faster and much smaller Nikon prime lenses. The stuff is still bigger, and louder, but the difference is not as great.

While I love rangefinder cameras, and truly appreciate how they make you see pictures differently, one other disadvantage that I would mention that I didn't see in the review is that none of the Leica lenses focus particularly close.

A Nikon 50/1.4 or 35/2 will focus closer than one foot. Most of the Leica lenses focus to about 3 feet. This is a big difference, especially with the wider lenses.

Robin Smith , June 11, 2001; 02:45 P.M.

Responding to Brian Stryker's point about the Nikon F2, I think this is a very natural way to think about this issue, but what it fails to understand is that Leica optics are really in a class above others. Arguably with the M system they are the best available in 35mm photography. Nikon's optics, in my experience, really cannot be compared, particularly comparing (presumably) older manual focus Nikons with the current crop of M lenses. Until you have investigated this, Bryan's argument seems sensible, but once you have had an opportunity to compare them, the truth of the superiority of most Leica lenses becomes apparent and hence the main reason for owning these cameras reveals itself. As in so much with photography comparisons are very difficult to do. Few of us have the opportunity to use both systems for extended periods without financial risk. I suggest to anyone wondering what all the fuss is about that they rent a Leica and any lens and compare it to the exact equivalent lens on the reflex (or any camera) of their choice. The difference will be clear. Then you will understand why so many people swear by their Leicas (M and R), despite the expense. Then in addition there is all the stuff about the superiority of the rangefinder...

ben ray , June 11, 2001; 03:43 P.M.

There is no such a film as Kodak Supra 400 or 800. 'Leica feel' is nothing but just self-chating. The film advance is not upto Nikon F3's silk smooth, the shutter is not as quiet as most leaf shutter rangefinder like a Olympus 35RD, Konica Hexar. Is Leica M good? yes you bet, it is just like a wanderful toy to me.

Mark Wilkins , June 11, 2001; 05:18 P.M.

No such films as Kodak Supra 400 or 800? What are you smoking?

Here you go! Read up!

bradford daly , June 11, 2001; 05:37 P.M.

ben ray claims there is no such thing as Kodak Supra 400 or 800. I have a roll of each sitting here on the desk in front of me. They both definitely exist.

Nathaniel Paust , June 11, 2001; 10:18 P.M.

While the M6 is undoubtably a great camera and has some definite advantages such as reduced vibration and noise, easier-to-design wide angle lenses and so on.... However, this review gets into the "magic camera" land a little bit too much for my taste. No camera will give you better pictures than you can imagine.

Second, while the lens reviews seem to really enjoy words like "sharpest" and "best" it seems like these are completely subjective. There are ways to measure the performance of a lens and it doesn't look like the reviewer has taken advantage of them. Also, some of the comparisons are just plain wrong. Why would you compare a 20-35 zoom with a 21mm prime? The prime is always going to be sharper simply due to a smaller number of glass elements in the lens.

Third, the review doesn't talk about the main drawback to rangefinder cameras (at least in my mind) --- their complete inability to do macro work. If you never take close-up pictures, this may not be an issue for you. However, I assume that many photo.netters occasionally try taking close-up pictures. The problem is that when you don't have a through-the-lens (TLR) viewing system like in a SLR, you can't get a good idea of your photographic subject. Rangefinder cameras suffer from parallax errors, the viewfinder sees a different image than the lens. Even for non-macro work this has to be accounted for. You can always losely frame an image and crop during printing, but that will cost you valuable film real estate.

Last, as a separate issue, while film technology has improved in the last 20 years a well composed and exposed 35mm frame is never going to have the quality of a well composed and exposed 4x5 frame. Similarly, digital is a long way away from matching the quality of well done 35mm. (Point and shoot 35mm is a different matter.) I think that the real issue is convenience. Whether you're shooting portraits or news, your clients want results _now_ and they're willing to trade some quality for the speed. 35mm isn't better, but it may be a lot faster and cheaper. People just need to make sure that they realize what trades they're making.

kyle martens , June 12, 2001; 03:06 A.M.

Hey, did you see that camera that Hasselblad made for $50? How about the lens by Carl Zeiss for $99? Me neither. I think the phrase “you get what you pay for” seems obvious and appropriate here even though everyone is aware of it. If you can afford 15-20K of equipment and make it pay for itself as 20 years of experience shows, then keep it up. I think you made it very clear that each camera (and lens) has an ideal application. Based on the superb images above I think you have shown the situations in which the Leica works the best, which is a fairly broad range. Thank you for the information. It is nice to read an unbiased opinion from someone with real life experience with the object being reviewed. I grew up with my dad’s Canon AE1 system and when I was 15 I got myself a complete EOS 600 system (then $2000 for everything). In some situations I am able to blow that old AE1 off this planet. In other situations when there is time for manual settings, my EOS can’t hold a candle to that rock solid shutter and a manual 50mm 1:1.8. I think that a lot of the disputing above is comparing apples with monkeys. Just because Sigma or Tamron get a lot of awards for producing the best “bang for your buck” and “most versatile” lenses doesn’t mean that they are the best at any one thing. Some people prefer the crutch of technology and will pay the same $ for a zoom with 21 elements and an image stabilizer. Personally I think that your pictures look the most natural and still very sharp of all the pictures I have seen in my life. I think that when people shell out 2-3K for a lens they want that security or insurance that technology gives them instead of making every dollar go toward the quality of the elements.

Dave Jenkins - North Georgia , June 12, 2001; 07:03 A.M.

Kirk Tuck wrote:

"Unconstrained by centering the camera and locking focus and then recomposing, I would focus once and then shoot without bothering to focus again until I or my subject changed position or distance. Images started to come alive for me as compositions became more relaxed and I was able to take full charge of what I saw in the viewfinder." _______________________________________________________________

I'm an owner, user and lover of rangefinder cameras, including Leica. However, I and many other commercial photographers find it necessary to supplement our rangefinders with an SLR system in order to handle the variety of assignments that come our way. I use Canon EOS.

Custom Function 4 turns my Canon into an "electronic Leica." Instead of doing the awkward focus-and-recompose or hold-down-the-button dance necessary with other makes, I simply aim the center focus point at whatever I want to be most sharp in the photograph, press a button conveniently located under my right thumb, release it, and presto! focus is locked at that point until I wish to change it. In practice, it works exactly the same way as focusing a Leica on a given point and then shooting until you decide to focus on some other point.

This one feature caused me to dump brand N a few years ago.

Other reasons Canon EOS is the best SLR supplement to a Leica system include the fact that the Elan series and the A2/A2e/EOS-5 are probably the quietest SLRs made (see Phil Greenspun's review of the A2e). And, while I'm not an expert on bokeh, those who are seem to agree that the bokeh of Canon's lenses is much more Leica-like than that of other makes.

ben ray , June 12, 2001; 08:12 A.M.

Sorry about the Kodak Supra, I think it was call Ektacolor Supra

Andrew Moore , June 12, 2001; 08:39 A.M.

> Second, while the lens reviews seem to really enjoy words like
> "sharpest" and "best" it seems like these are completely subjective.
...
> Why would you compare a 20-35 zoom with a 21mm prime? The prime
> is always going to be sharper simply due to a smaller number of
> glass elements in the lens.

...then sharpness doesn't sound "completely subjective" at all. ("best": yes, very subjective).

Andrew Moore , June 12, 2001; 08:48 A.M.

> Third, the review doesn't talk about the main drawback to
> rangefinder cameras (at least in my mind) --- their complete
> inability to do macro work

The M6 is perfectly capable of taking macro photos using bellows and a mirror housing. It may not be as convenient as a SLR when you're on location, but to say the M is completely unable to do macro work is simply incorrect.

Perhaps a real main drawback, at least to press/event/wedding photographers as an example, might be the 1/50 sec flash sync speed. There are, however, ways around that too, at the expense of convenience.

Mike Smith , June 12, 2001; 09:13 A.M.

I use M6s almost exclusively, and have created many wonderful photos with them. I agree the lenses are, generally, the sharpest that normal folks can buy. However, a great photo isn't great because it's sharp -- it's what's inside the frame lines that count. Sometimes the lack of sharpness adds to the photo, e.g., Robert Capa's D-Day pictures, almost ruined in the darkroom and technically unacceptable by the standards of today, and of 1944. Think of the photos you remember, and then ask yourselves if they're sharp -- chances are you won't care.

Stop worrying about sharpness. The real question is, when you drop your auto-everything down a flight of stairs, will it still function? Chances are, your M6 will.

Kirk Tuck , June 12, 2001; 10:33 A.M.

While I didn't go into much detail about the various lenses I have used through the years, the Nikon system was my last non-German camera system and I did own many of the primes that one person mentioned, including the 85 1.4, the 135 DC the 20, the 28 1.4 etc. and they are all very good optics. The have a much different signature than the Leica lenses. They are smooth. I want real. The Leica R and M optics follow different design targets than their competition and it is a matter of taste. I have a freind who thinks the highest performance vehicle any one needs is a Ford Explorer. I prefer 5 series BMW sedans. Most who profess to like explorers have never driven a BMW for any period of time. They will not understand the difference. Ditto with lenses. Also, if you shoot handheld, with iso 400 color print film, you will most likely not see a difference just as both cars, at a dead standstill in Austin rush hour traffic will have equal performance.

But, that said, the bodies and lenses form a synergistic system. It's not just better or worse optics. It's how they work together in your hands.

Kirk Tuck , June 12, 2001; 10:36 A.M.

In answer to several of Nathaniel's critiques: Sharpness is not subjective and can be easily measured and compared. Having owned many of the better optics in several systems, my judgements were made with many Kodachromes to judge by. I chose to compare how a professional uses the Leica M system versus how most professionals use autofocus SLR's. And that is most definitely with fast zoom lenses. Finally, as I remarked in the review, I own and use the Leica SLR system for close-ups, long lenses, macro, etc. As I say in the beginning of the review, most pro Leica M users use these cameras in conjunction with AF SLRs, to augment them and to take adavantage of all the things rangefinders do better.

As to the magic. Yes, Leica M series have a fabulous ability to make money disappear while at the same time making photographers believe they can take better photos. As any zen master would tell you, "Your focus determines your reality." (actually a quote from the newest Star Wars movie). Leica M is a tool in the tool chest of working pro's. Sometimes you need a hammer, sometimes some needle nosed pliers.

T T , June 12, 2001; 12:03 P.M.

i've done direct comparisons between the contax g zeiss lenses and leica lenses, having owned both.

in general, the contax zeiss lenses yield results which appear more blatantly sharp, but have less character than the equivalent leica lenses. the leica lenses just have the certain something that gives their images a uniquely classic desirable look.

when comparing a contax g image with that of a leica m image, the leica m image will always evoke more feeling. call it the leica mystique, the rare earth lens glass, the red dot, call it what you will, but there's a ceratin subtle beauty in leica images that is unattainable with any other system.

Patrick Smeaton , June 13, 2001; 10:20 A.M.

I'm going to go to bat for Mr. Tuck here. While comparing Nikon zooms and Leica primes may not be a good technical comparison, I believe it was the proper one. Although some Nikon (or Canon) shooters use primes primarily (pun intended), I believe they are the exception. Therefore, the comparison was more real world than technical.

bradford daly , June 13, 2001; 04:14 P.M.

Andrew says that an M6 can be used for macro work with a bellows and a mirror housing.

Andrew, can you please explain this further? I.e, how much does it cost, how cumbersome is it, etc? I'm dying for an M6, but I do a lot of weird little macro still-lifes. I've been thinking of selling all my EOS equipment except my 100mm macro and getting a cheaper EOS body for macro, while getting a wonderful M6 for everything else. If macro isn't that much of a pain with an M6 and the stuff you mention, I might just take the plunge.

Thanks, Brad

Mike Johnston , June 13, 2001; 05:06 P.M.

Hey, I thought Kirk did a very nice job with this review, and I've been reviewing cameras since 1988. My experience over the years is that many Leica naysayers aren't speaking from experience...even if they own one, they've never "come to grips with it." Comparing the specs, the features, ease of loading, the shutter noise--even the lenses--it's all beside the point. Macro work? Telephotos? That's not what it's _for_.

If you want to see an example of what it _is_ for, check out John Brownlow's stuff at luminous-landscape.com/auteur.htm .

Personally, I think the Leica is a mechanical photography teacher. I think every photographer--whatever kind of photographer they are--should use a Leica for a year at some point in their lives. And I'm talking really *use* it, too--put the rest of your gear in the closet and shoot 200 rolls with the Leica. I can almost guarantee you'll come out of that year a better photographer than you went in.

It's even cheap. Buy a used Leica, you can use it for a year and sell it for more or less what you paid for it at the end of the year and come out even (believe me on this--I've done it four times <g>). At worst, you lose a couple of hundred bucks. No big deal.

But all this theoretical talk--heck, it just don't mean a darn thing.

Good review, Kirk.

Yuriy Vilin , June 15, 2001; 03:20 A.M.

Modern Leica gear is way out of my reach, so I ended up with Voigtlander Bessa system. I know, I know but still... Almost everything that Kirk said in his review applies to Voigt stuff as well. I completely abandoned SLR area (I used to own an extensive EOS system), never really looked back since. Compactness and simplicity of RF camera combined with superb lenses are the greatest advantages of RF system. Too bad that most modern photographers are obsessed with "useful electronic" features don't see this... Anyway, I am not trying to convert nobody, I am just confessing and praising my choice. Time to get out and shoot some low-light photographs (handheld, of course…). Peace.

Gerald Hsu , June 15, 2001; 08:16 P.M.

Brad brought up a question about using Leica M for macro work. The easiest way to do macro with M is to use the Dual Range 50mm Summicron. Another approach would be the Visoflex. There is an excellent Visoflex website maintained by Gary Elshaw. Be careful in choosing the right type of Visoflex adapter to use for M6 TTL since the increased height (top cap) with the new M6 TTL has caused it not compatible with much of the Visoflex system adapters. I have a Visoflex II and it has worked quite well with my M3.

Kirk Tuck , June 16, 2001; 10:16 A.M.

Thought I was kidding around about the reliability of the M6??? See Van Riper's article in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm

A non-biased, first person account.

Christian Becker , June 17, 2001; 07:32 A.M.

good review, kirk. pictures aren't (to me).

Tony Rowlett , June 18, 2001; 12:21 P.M.

The photographs are quite good - by any reasonable measure. They represent a nice diversity of styles; perfectly appropriate for an generalized article such as this.

Pedro Vasconcelo , June 19, 2001; 07:13 A.M.

Like some previous other coments, I'd like to say I don't completely agree with your views on Zeiss vs. Leica lenses. In particular I own the Biogon 21mm for Contax G and it's a superb lens. Although I haven't directly compared it to the Leica 21mm ASPH, several reviews on the net and magazines have suggested that both are of similar performance (although the Biogon is much cheaper). Sure, the external viewfinder has a bit of barrel distortion but if I wanted WYSIWYG viewing I would go with an SLR! BTW, I find myself "manual focusing" the 21mm quite a lot: I use the electronic rangefinder to set the distance and then the external viewfinder for composing--- no problem.

John Clark , June 21, 2001; 07:36 A.M.

Great review. I've always fancied an M6, and one day I might own one (anyone want to buy a mint Bronica ETRSi system ;-)

One thing you (and everyone else) failed to mention is the excellent Mamiya 7 camera. What you describe of the Leica echos what I found to be the case with the M7-II, which I have had for around 18 months. It's not so much that it's technically better than SLR-based MF cameras (it lacks, for instance, fast standard optics), it's just that its primary ergonomics seem 'just so', and the obstacles in the way of a decent shot seem to vanish. AT times with the M7, I feel I can 'do no wrong', and the chromes are spectacular, beyond anything I've ever had with the ETRSi or my EOS system.

For me, rangefinders seem to suit; however, that 'certain something' which Leica has is not confined to Leica; the M7 (as many here will testify) has a similar effect, and most of the benefits you mention as well (although being a MF 6x7 camera, 10 shots per roll means frequent film changes and more expensive prints, etc.)

One day I will test drive the M6 and perhaps buy one; secondhand seems the natural option, but I couldn't leave my EOS and I would never dream of selling the Mamiya...

Good article, happy shooting!

John

Karl Yik , June 21, 2001; 10:49 A.M.

Although good for low light focussing, range finders are harder to focus than manual SLRs under normal lighting as you can focus on the area you are interested in while framing at the same time. With a rangefinder you have to point that tiny rangefinder square at the area you want to focus on, focus, then recompose. I have both a M6 and Contax RTSII and generally will use the RTS when I am photographing moving objects, unless that is I can rely on depth of field on the wide angle lenses of the M6. Both types of camera are good in their own right, just depends on what you are most comfortable with and lens wise, Leica is better, better made that is. Optically, I cant really see much difference between Zeiss and Leica

Robert Goldstein , June 21, 2001; 07:13 P.M.

Having cut my teeth on Olympus and Nikon systems, I can readily accept the superiority of Leica glass. I had the pleasure of using a borrowed M6 for awhile; it was great fun, and I got some terrific photos. The crispness, contrast and three-dimensionality of the images are all there.

However, I also own a Contax G2 system with all of the lenses, except for the zoom and the 16mm Hologon. The Zeiss lenses are equally superb, IMO, and I would bet that even the most ardent Leicaphile would have difficulty distinguishing images created with one camera or the other in a blinded test. I'm not alone in my high regard for the Zeiss glass. "Photo Techniques" magazine opined recently that the G lenses are arguably the finest in 35mm photography. Sure, the Contax system lacks the variety and ultrafast lenses available for the Leica, but most photographers use only a basic few lenses and do not require f1.4 very often.

I use a G2, because I happen to like automation. With the G, automation facilitates my ability to get the image I want onto film; it alters, but does not dictate the creative process. Personally, I have found the focusing system on the G2 to be extremely accurate with all lenses. However, I agree that in situations where one is shooting wide open at close range and the depth of focus is measured in millimeters, an optical rangefinder is preferable.

Both the M6 and G2 are outstanding photographic tools, each with its own relative strengths and weaknesses. To choose between them, an individual photographer must know his own needs, preferences and style. Unfortunately, it sometimes takes a period owning and using a camera before one discovers that it does not suit him. This explains why there are a substantial number of former M users now loving Gs and vice versa.

Tito Carlos Maria Sobrinho , June 24, 2001; 10:43 A.M.

Forgive my intervention but I do not see any difference in quality, luminosity and local contrast between your portfolio or any other 35mm camera in the professional level. I have 3 Leicas M4 (1972 new, M2 (1977) and a M5 (1980), but the images done with them, show me the same quality as my Nikon F (1978 new) or my Retina IIc (1958 new). Since I follow a view camera discipline,(5x7, 8x10 for 20 years) the Nikon F fits the slot with "penache". What you see is what you get, DOF preview button. Ground level exposures with ease. Macro lens that leave my Dual Range Summicron in the dust, some wide angle lens that have floating elements since the early 70's. Nikon went to the space program (Apollo 15, Apollo 16, Apollo 17, Skylab I, Skylab II, Skylab IV, Apollo-Soyus and the Space Shuttle) together with the Hasselblad. The Leica mystique started in the 30's when only a few 35mm "professional" cameras were available -Contax, Leica, Ektra and Exakta. They were the kings of the road until 1959 when the Nikon F was unvailed as a full system. Are the new Leica aspherical element done with glass or a polycarbonate material?

Kirk Tuck , June 24, 2001; 01:16 P.M.

Responding to Tito, above: Please be aware that the images you are looking at are Jpegs that contain about 1/100th of the information that is recorded on the film. Of course you won't see a "difference" in quality between images scanned for screen res just as you might not see a difference between various 4x6 inch prints shot with various camera systems. The limiting factor will be the size of the files and the resolution of the screen. The images were appended to the article to show the kind of photographs that I think the Leica M cameras and lenses do well. The detail is much "finer, brighter, more sparkly" on large prints or when projected.

Second, comparing a Dual Range Summicron from 1959 with various lense from the 60's, 70's and 80's is, well, dumb. The Dual Range Summicron was a breakthough in it's time but technology has moved on. The latest lenses from reputeable manufacturers easily beat the DR Summicron in a number of ways. That being said, the latest lenses from Leica are still better than their competitors' offerings. Some people won't see the difference as all current high end optics from most manufacturers are very, very good, and sometimes the small differences are masked by inadequate technique. The comparison between brands across decades is very much like saying that your new Camaro will beat a 1950's Porsche. Yes, it will. But will it beat a 2001 911 turbo???? No, it won't.

I have owned countless Nikon cameras and lenses and found them to be good enough. I have no doubt that astronauts find SLR's easier to use, initially. I have no doubt (after having read in Hassleblad publications the NASA requirements for instruments to be taken into space) that Nikon was willing to spend the money to build cameras to order for NASA. I hardly think that NASA's use of a camera consititutes the ultimate endorsement as they are looking for cameras that are simple for amateurs to use under stressful conditions. They may have been looking for systems with zoom lenses. Who knows? Who cares? It seems obvious that the Soviets used Nikons out of a need to save money!

Yes, the Nikon F shows 100% of the image in the viewfinder. So what? I was very clear in the article to state that there are many photographic applications that are better suited to SLR cameras. I further stated that we own and use a Leica R systems and a medium format SLR system in our work, IN ADDITION TO THE LEICA M CAMERAS.

The M's are a specialized tool and if, indeed you own M4's, etc. you certainly understand this. It's not the appropriate tool for shooting football games or macro images. M's are not good motor drive cameras.

They are made for candid photographs, quick shots, snap shots, art shots, quiet shots, etc. And, as such, they have a number of benefits that were well defined in the article. Not the least being a series of (current) lenses that handily outperform most or all of their competitors at their widest aperatures. If you always shoot at f11 or f8 you do not need Leica glass. If this is your shooting technique (well stopped down) you should go right ahead using the cheapest lenses you can find. If you want superior performance at f1.4, f2 and f2.8 you will quickly realize it with Leica lenses. Not with lenses from the 1930's, 40's or 50's, but Leica lenses from the 1990's!!!! (remember that silly apples to apples thing you learned about in science glass at school?)

Finally, according to Erwin Puts' new book on Leica Lenses, no plastics are used in their aspheric process. The companies that use plastics in their aspheric production include Canon and Nikon, but exclude Leica.

Please read the article again. It does not say that the owner of an M6 will need no other camera. It does not say that M6's will replace view cameras or SLR's. It does point out how useful, practical and well this KIND of camera is for certain subjects and situations.

Kirk

Isaac Crawford , June 27, 2001; 12:11 A.M.

I think that the review was done very well. It showed what kind of photography the M6 is good for, it isn't for everything, but it is mighty good at what it was designed for. One thing that I think deserves mentioning is the effect it can have on the more casual shooter... The camera is such a joy to use that I find myself using it a lot more often than any other camera I ever owned. Every SLR feels clunky and awkward in comparison. It was a full two years after I got my M6 that I picked up my SLR again for a macro shot...

Isaac

Olivier Domon , June 28, 2001; 12:28 A.M.

Well, i'm a user of the M6 and i'm surprised that none of you talked about this new Hexar RF made by Konica, look like an M6 and accept Leica lenses... I bought one of this Hexar 3 months ago, and i didn't believe it was so useful in reportage, the semi-auto mode (aperture) is saving you some precious seconds...This one of the best things on this camera with the possibity to climb up to 1/4000 S and can take 2.5 frames per seconde! Of it's a bit noisier than the M6, but everything is relative...Anyway this is what leica should have made 2 years ago, a kind of new M6 like this!

J. Salisbury , June 29, 2001; 03:43 A.M.

I've recently purchased a Contax G1 kit (body + 45mm + TLA200 flash) new with 3-year warranty for $750. Additional lenses can be purchased via mail order for less than $300.

Without wanting to enter into the Leica vs. Contax, manual vs. automatic, etc. debates, I would suggest that for some users the Contax would present an interesting and relatively inexpensive alternative to the M (see http://www.photo.net/photo/contax/g2 for a review of the successor to the G1, the G2). This is especially true if, like myself, you are changing to a rangefinder from an automatic SLR and like the ability to use the camera as a point and shoot when the situation permits.

Esa Harma , July 03, 2001; 03:50 A.M.

I was able to play with the whole Leica product family in Photokina 1998 and it made me to choose the Contax G2+21+35+90 set because

(i) I am using my left eye for viewfinding and I also have glasses. Therefore I just cannot place my eye close enough to the Leica viewfinder in order to see the largest bright line frame in 0.72x or 0.85x making M6 effectively a 50/90/135mm system camera for me. And my favourite lens is 35mm.

(ii) I had great difficulties in using the focussing with 50mm Summilux ... somehow I was now always able to quickly adjust the frames on each other.

(iii) I noticed M6 to be a "cult product" and it is common sense not to buy such products and with those prices.

(iv) Contax has the legedary range finder lenses (Hologon, Biogon, Planar and Sonnar) in a modern construction (and for the Leicaphiles, the 35mm is an improved copy of the non-aspherical 35mm Summicron).

I have also noticed that there is a new 0.58x magnification M6 out today, but how useable is the bright frame finder for 90mm????

Esa

Bio Gon , July 03, 2001; 07:18 A.M.

Well, the review was one in which for the first time I have ever heard anyone say anything negative about the Zeiss 21mm Biogon for the Contax G. Most accounts I have heard suggest that it is superior to the Leica 21mm, or at the very least equal. Quite frankly, the article carries so much contempt for the Contax G system, I can't believe the comment flatly dismissing the 21mm Biogon is any more than sour grapes. Besides, how could the Zeiss 21mm Biogon be the equal or better than the Leica? It costs so much less.

While I am happy to believe that the Leica carrys with it some useful advantages in limited situations, you do pay quite a price premium for it. While it is claimed it is good value because it will be here 50 years from now is misleading. Yes, it will work 50 years from now, but with all the advances to be made in the next 50 years, would you want to? I suppose with the Leica you will have to because you spent so much buying the lens. With the Contax G lens providing comparable perfomance today at a mere fraction of the Leica price, I'll have more than enough money left over to go out and buy a new lens a couple times over that 50 year period. At the end, not only will I have a new lens that would outperform the 50 year old Leica, but I'll have enough money left over to buy a new camera body and year's supply of film. Seems to me that the real value proposition is the Contax G. But I suppose that depends if you want to use the cameras and lenses to create the best possibile images over the 50 year period or whether you just want to have an antique collectible to look at after 50 years.

Bio Gon , July 03, 2001; 07:54 A.M.

Good points. Richard.

To further your comments, the Quote,

"Finally, and this may just be a personal thing, but the G2 doesn't seem to have the right "feel". It seems just a bit off."

I thought this was a review of the Leica M6?? Is the only effective way to critique a camera is to go out of your way to trash a different product? Perhaps if we are going to have a review of the Contax G2, perhaps we should have a review of it by someone who actually uses it on a regular basis, understands how the camera works, and is reasonably objective.

Is every Leica owner and user so insecure that every time they talk about their camera they have to criticize the Contax G2. Sounds to me like the Contax must have something going for it.

Toti Calr , July 03, 2001; 09:20 A.M.

MY OWN REVIEW.

Dear Sir, I'm an Italian editorial photographer (I apologise for my English in advance), and I wholeheartedly reciprocate the first part of your review, as it describes the same reasons why I shifted from a huge SLR system to a light & tiny RF one myself; but when you started with your comparisons, the weather became really bad: "Here we go again, another metaphysical-fetishist photographer comparing apples and oranges!", I said, and here is why.

You claim that: "countless magazines, websites, independent tests and the testimony of countless thousands of professional photographers all concur that Leica's lenses are the finest in the world of 35mm." You guess it: I could claim the same as for Zeiss lenses, and, on your kind request, I could give the exact bibliographic references, both on the Internet and on paper; I could even "prove" that each G lens beats its Leica counterpart by speaking volumes. What's more, lots of MTF graphs (which I do not consider that significant, but which, anyway, are the only science and not opinion based method to measure a lens), "prove" that the Zeiss lenses beat (or, at worse, equal) the Leitz ones, which are, BTW, copies of expired patented projects by Rudolph and Bertele for Zeiss. You said the Tri-Emar is the Leica answer to the zoom lenses: well it is a naive answer, if it is an answer at all, being it nothing else than a zoom with click stops coincident with the frames of the Leica viewfinder, that's to say the only kind of zoom that a Leica user could use; and don't be misled by the focal sequence: it is a zoom anyway, only you can't use any intermediate value of its range; nor it is the astonishing lens you're describing.

The fast lenses issue - here I must ask you a question: why did Leica discontinue the Visoflex? It is even obvious to replay: because since the SLR cameras became available, there were no reasons for it to be produced anymore. Now: the M system was designed in the 50's, when it was the only serious choice for any serious photographer in that film format. The G sys, instead, was designed in the 90's, in the very middle of the SLR empire. Don't you see what I mean yet? Ok, I'll try to explain: if you have not any other possibility to go with, a very fast lens (or a Visoflex and the like gears) is pretty welcomed even on a camera which doesn't allow you to properly verify a very narrow depth of field (and sometimes even the *real* focal plan you're using, but that's a different story), and the DOF of a wide open fast lens is very narrow, indeed; exactly as a RF camera is not the proper tool for shooting with macro, long tele and tilt&shift lenses, also it is not the perfect tool in order to manage a very narrow DOF, and, please, don't say you can manage it by using the hyperfocal distance, since, that way, you have to close the diaphragm, loosing so all the advantages of a fast lens, and not all its faults as well (they're normally less sharp than the slower ones, and definitely more expensive); if you buy a ƒ1,4 or faster lens, it MUST be because you really need to use it wide open the most of the times, and if I needed a very fast lens wide open, today's SLRs are the perfect tools of choice, as they're now largely available. That's why Zeiss doesn't produce any fast lens for the G sys but produces very fast prime lenses for the CY mount SLRs (well, honest, I'm venturing a guess here, but for sure that's why I wouldn't buy a ƒ1,4 lens for my Gs as I did for my SLRs). Why does Leica still produce such lenses for the M cameras? And why they shouldn't, until lots of fetishists out there are still willing to buy them?

The manual focus issue - you said "The G2's manual focus isn't up to this challenge"; this is simply wrong and proves you didn't spend enough time with the camera: you must get used to it, as you have to with the Leica RF under different perspectives; the greatest mistake one could do, consists in trying to use the focus system of the Gs as if it was a mechanical RF (as for the manual focus) or a SLR (as for the auto focus). These are both very common mistakes, and everybody would be disappointed by these cameras in doing that way. The myth that the Sonnar 90 "requires much skill to achieve consistent autofocus" is simply, just so, a myth, which has its roots in the above mentioned behaviour; I've taken tons of shoots with it, and NEVER had a focus problem, in ANY condition, since I spent a few days in understanding the way the camera works.

The batteries issue - do you know that lithium batteries last for years (YEARS) without loosing any (or a barely measurable) amount of energy? Are a few spare batteries a so huge weight/encumbrance in someone's bag? Does it exist an assignment long enough for a lithium battery to run down of its charge? This really seems a fake problem, used to prove the would-be superiority of only mechanical products, and it isn't worth spending more words.

There are lots more things I could say, but I guess this rant is long enough, and so, finally, here is the truth: Leica M and Contax G cameras are different beasts, they provide superlative image quality, and have their own drawbacks in comparison the one with the other and both with SLRs; this makes ANY comparison nor possible neither intelligent. Those who claim "the X camera is the best in the world", prove only their arrogant ignorance, not providing any useful contribution in increasing the photographic culture. Understand they're different, and you're on the right path. Please, don't think I'm a Contax evangelist, as I regularly use several other brands, and the day I'll need to shot in a theatre or in a classroom I'll probably buy a Leica; until then, since my shoots are mostly outdoor and, when needed, taken with a tripod, I'll stay happily with my Gs, as I, for one, think that the Leicas are overpriced pieces of industrial archaeology (and, BTW, Oliver, Leica should have made a decent camera having a semi-auto mode and a 1/4000 sec. shutter speed twenty years ago, not just two), but please, stop comparing different things on the basis of ineffective and misleading self-serving mental masturbation. Sorry for the length and have a happy shooting, whatever you shot with.

Rich 815 , July 03, 2001; 10:56 A.M.

Bravo Toti! When I read this article I was really peeved myself that this author chose to perpetuate the long disproved myth of the 90 focusing problems. As to some of the rest of the article I have some real problems too:

"The autofocus doesn't always autofocus where I would like it to"

It does for people who understand how it works. And it does it well.

"and the use of a focus hold button just bores/frustrates the hell out of me."

Nice irresponsible comment for a reviewer to make. Just what are you saying here? It "bores" you? In what way does it *bore* you that other auto-focus lock buttons don't bore you? Do the others play music or something so you don't get bored? What are you talking about? It locks the focus (once you learn how to place the focus, that is) and does it effectively. Frustrates you? Obviously not knowing how it works, or taking the time to figure it out, I imagine it must.

"There averaging meter pattern is less useful than the clearly defined pattern of the Leica meter."

It's a classic center-weighted averaging metering pattern. But you did not even bother mentioning that, instead just leaving everyone mysteriously wondering what IS this "special" but "less useful" Contax G metering pattern? It's the same type of metering used in such classics at the Nikon FM2 and FE2 and continues to be a well-used option on most of the newest and most modern SLR bodies! No, it's not spot-metering but can be effectively used to lock AE in and re-compose no problem.

"while the 28 and the 45 are superb the other choices are less so."

"Superb"?? Does this review even attempt to have some objectivity or use phrases that can be considered useful in describing or comparing such lenses? Ok, let's suppose you meant "really good". By your description then the other lenses of the Contax G line up must be bad, or un-superb. Now go look at the MTF charts on photodo of the 21, 28 and 35. Compare them to your 300% more expensive Leitz honeys. I'll leave you an example. The Contax G 35/2,0 is rated at photodo at 4.1 (and costs $349 USD). The Leica M 35/1,4 aspherical is 3.8 (costs $2,945) and the Leica M 35/2.0 (non-aspherical) is 4.1 (costs $1,495). Yes, MTF is not the end all of comparisons but I'm at least *trying* to use an objective comparison. MTF grades are not *everything* and many happen to like the personality of one brand over the other. But MAN, that's a lot to pay for some personality!

"The manual focus makes the camera chancy for street shooting as many street shooters prefer to keep their lenses prefocused on a fixed distance and then fine tune the actual shooting distance the moment they bring the camera to their eye. The G2's manual focus isn't up to this challenge."

Nevermind that the Contax G1 and G2 happen to have a large following of people who use them almost exclusively for street shooting. "isn't up to this challenge." you say? Another woefully useless description and opinion.

"Finally, and this may just be a personal thing, but the G2 doesn't seem to have the right "feel". It seems just a bit off."

Personal is right but you are posting a review and critique here. "just a bit off"??? Don't post such drivel and wonder why others critique your critique.

Dan Brown , July 03, 2001; 12:06 P.M.

The Leica M and Contax G1/G2 comparisons are of little moment. Kind of like comparing Windows ME to Mac OS9, why bother? Sure, the G2 has tons of useful features, and, if it is features you want, then get one, or get a Nikon or Canon. For me, I would take a 1954 M3 and vintage 50 mm lens over any feature laden camera, as the Leica is much more satisfying to own and use (for me). Freedom of choice! I am just happy they still make brand new M6's, and that the 1954 M3 can still be serviced by a qualified technician.

Kirk Tuck , July 03, 2001; 01:33 P.M.

Dear Richard, Bio and Toti, a response to your vitriolic remarks. A few observations. I bought and used the first G1 in Texas. I have owned a complete G2 systems and a redundant black system. I still own and occaisionally use the black system. I am keenly aware of it's capabilities. I may have gotten a bad 21mm Contax lens but I can only speak to the units I have personally used. I have run several thousand rolls of slide film through the G products. They do load film faster. They are much noisier which obviates their use in not only theaters and courtrooms but also many of the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies. The lenses are not fast enough to compete with the f 1.4's and f2's available for the Leica M cameras.

If you choose to trot out third party assessments of lenses we might as well just refer to Consumer's Report and buy whatever they recommend. While I mentioned that Leica lenses have historically been called the "best in the world" by many magazines does not change that fact that I actually used and compared the lenses that I discussed. Including the SLR lenses from Nikon and Canon.

The three of you seem to think that Leica users are somehow "tricked" into buying $15,000 or $20,000 dollar systems. You seem to presume that a working professional running a business would not have the good sense to make a critical evaluation before parting with large amounts of cash. You are of course quite wrong. You further seem to think that once duped we feel the need to assuage our anquish at being "conned" by duping other innocents into embracing our point of view---the "misery loves company" argument.

You would be quite wrong. I would much rather put the money into my IRA or my kid's college fund, but my style of photography demands certain tools. Quiet, reliable, fast lenses, precision focusing. You also remark that the Leica's are sooooooo expensive but, as I recently sold older Leica Lenses to buy newer ones I found that I was able to almost always get more for a five or ten year old lens than I paid for it in the first place. If you want to be in business you can't always depend on the cheapest alternatives. I never want to fly on the airline that advertises the cheapest planes on the market!!!! The airline that advertises, "We pay our pilots a lot less so you save money!!!!" In the same vien, my clients are willling to spend a lot more money to wring out the last 5% of quality. That is my market. Yours may be different. The truth is that some professionals grow more and more discerning as the years go by and try to maximize quality in every step of their process. I would love it if the G2 outperformed the M's. I would be happier if the G2 had a 75mm 1.4 or a 50mm 1.4 or a etc...... but it doesn't and they don't.

As to the Tri-Elmar. If you compared it to the three equivilent focal lengths for the G2 you would find that it is as good as the 28mm from Kyocera, much better than the Kyocera 35mm and almost as good as the 45mm. While we're at it, "Superb" means very superior---better than 90% of it's competitors. The G lenses are uniformly superb (with the exception of my 21) but they are not as good as the current Leica glass.

Read Erwin Puts recent book where he discusses the science (not opinion) behind rangefinder and slr focusing. Up to 90mm the rangefinder is superior from a technical and quantitative point of view. It is also quite superior in focusing faster lense up to the 50mm range. Science, not emotion. If you have trouble focusing a 50 mm lens with a leica rangefinder, you are either looking through the wrong side of the viewfinder or you are seriously impaired.

Any G2 user will tell you that using the G2 in manual focus is a pain in the butt. I don't have to hold in a button with the M, I focus it once and it stays there. And do you know what? When I focus my M it doesn't make any distracting noises.

Richard, I don't know where your battery issue came from but I found myself replacing the G2 batteries twice a year or more. Maybe your batteries last a long time because you don't shoot professionally with the camera. Shoot a couple hundred 35 exposure rolls in a month and I guarantee you will be changing batteries. I don't mind batteries. I actually use them in my M6's.

Again, these reponses are the reason that I wrote earlier about the need to actually experience the cameras and lenses under tough user conditions to actually make an assessment. Seeing them for 10 minutes at Photokina doesn't really count. In fact, that's like telling me that you saw a Porsche and in the show room it didn't look one bit faster than your Hyundai so you don't understand why anyone would want one. Borrow a Leica M with a current set of lenses and shoot them side by side with your Contaxes. Shoot several hundred rolls of film in each and them spend a couple of hours with a good 8x loupe and you may see a difference. If you use your tripod and shoot slide film and are careful with your technique.....

As I stated in a reply above, I have friends who will tell you (and believe) that a Ford Explorer has the equivilent performance of a BMW 5 Series automobile. They cannot understand anyone choosing to pay more for a car than what they paid for their explorer. According to the magazine tests, both engines have the same horsepower, so how can one be better than the other????? They "test drove" a BMW in a parking lot for 10 minutes and delared it "no faster" than the explorer. Camera buyers can be the same. Some compare the performance of lenses by looking at 4x6 inch prints from the corner drug store and delcaring that their 100 dollar point and shoot is the equivilient of a Leica (or Contax G). Well my freinds, shoot a good photo on a tripod with your lens wide open and print the resulting 50 asa chrome as a 24 inch by 35 inch print and I guarantee you will see some profound differences. that's what real pros pay extra for.

If you want to write a comprehensive article about why you feel the G2 is so great I'm sure the folks at Photo.net would be thrilled. And as one of the (seemingly) very few professional users who owns both systems, and has used them extensively, I will be more than happy to critique your article.

You may not be the right market for a Leica M camera, but that's a personal assessment that only you can make........

Kirk

T T , July 03, 2001; 06:47 P.M.

i find it funny that some of the leica bashers above haven't even used the m6, yet they feel qualified to make the comparison between the contax g system and the leica m system.

i've noticed that people tend to always favor what they have purchased themselves. they naturally want to feel validated in their decision to purchase said item(s).

i already posted some other observations above (scroll up to read them), but let me state again that i've purchased and used the both contax g2 AND the leica m6ttl extensively. i have compared the ease of use, functionality, and bottom line results of each system side by side in the field and in the studio. the leica won.

it is quieter and feels more pure and unclutterred to use. it yields photographs that had a much less sterile feel, a more romantic look. it is more fun to use and carry with me all the time. it seems much more sturdy and better built for the long term. it has great and interesting longstanding history behind it. it is made in germany largely by hand.

so now some of you may say that i'm biased towards the leica. the truth is that i am biased towards works better for me since i purchased and used both systems.

yes leica is more expensive, but it's worth the money to me. i'd much rather pay that kind of money for something that i enjoy using and like the results of, rather than buy something that might cost less but that i don't like. the leica is worth every penny i paid for it, whereas the contax is not. i bought both and and felt some real buyer's remorse with the contax. as expensive as the leica is (and i acknowledge that is is expensive) i do not regret it at all.

Howard B , July 03, 2001; 10:16 P.M.

You might find an additional hands-on review of the M6TTL helpful: I spent six months working with one every weekend in order to write a really comprehensive review.

At the time, I was trying to decide between the best of 35mm and the best of Medium Format. The result is rather extensive reviews of the Leica M6TTL, Hasselblad 501CM, and other quality cameras.

Feel free to visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~howardb/photography.html

Choose Leica from the menu at the bottom.

Gavin Lock , July 04, 2001; 01:26 A.M.

Hi Kirk

Good review! Even better responses to comments! I like your style!!

Nice day Gavin

Toti Calr , July 04, 2001; 03:37 A.M.

Dear Kirk, it is not an intention of mine to start a personal war against you, and no vitriol at all here, but it seems you've encountered a few misunderstandings which are worth explaining. First of all I must admit I have an advantage over you as I know who you are, while you don't know a clue about me; well: I'm a professional editorial photographer, I have six books signed with my name only already published, and a couple are coming soon, on the next Autumn; I rarely work on someone's behalf, producing almost only editorial projects (mostly books, of which I often write also the texts, mostly about archaeology, history, architecture and social reportages), going then contracting directly with the publishers; when I work on someone's behalf my clients are not multinational corporates, but public administrations, care takers groups, cultural foundations and publishers; occasionally I hold conferences and seminars with high schools and universities; I manage a pre-press agency and editorial service also; nowadays I don't have the problem of the kid's college since mine is 17 months old only. Ok? Ok! Now, the first economic lesson I've learned from my work (thank you for yours, anyway) is that, in order to "survive", you have to reach as soon as possible the famous "break even point", so you must very carefully weigh the costs/benefits rapport of each investment you do for your equipment: IMHO this rapport is completely unfavourable to Leica; you see: I'm speaking in business terms, and from the perspective of a pro. I don't think what you stated as for pros who are "tricked" by the Leica's prices (please, don't consider me so naive), but I do think that Leica's business is for the 90% held not by pros, but by "tricked" collectors and old romantic fetishist, and there must be out there an American magazine which measured this percent more exactly than me, but I'm close. This doesn't mean that you and lots of others good pros belong to the latter category: you belong to that 10% whose needs the Leicas, and only them, are able to fit. You're right when you say that Leica gear keeps its value more than any other brand, but I think it is because of the above mentioned 90%: I don't know ANY pro who uses a IIIc, nor a M2 and so on; on the contrary I know plenty of colleagues who happily use their M5 and 6, as you also do, and... as I use my Schneider Super Angulon 65 ƒ5,6 on my Toyo 45C, which I paid for, and reached its "even point". It was me and not Richard the one who spoke about the batteries (please, if you want to replay me again, feel free to, but do it "ad personam" and not in a collective reply), and I was not talking about those one uses in his bodies, but of the spare ones one should always have in his bag, unused, as a backup: the normal alkaline batteries, have a natural run down time, and it doesn’t matter if you use them or not: their charge will run down anyhow and soon; the lithium ones, instead, last for years if you don’t use them: their "decay curve" is almost flat, but when they run down, they do it swiftly; please, reread what I wrote, now. You're lucky to change your batteries only twice a years. As for the Tri-Elmar, "as better as", "almost as good" and "much better" are not terms I want to discuss further; I'll look forward to you to provide some "couples of lines per mm" data; until then, you could consider to visit the photodo.com site (but please remember what I already said about the MTFs), and allow me to inform you that the most prestigious Italian magazine for pros only ("Il Progresso Fotografico", they're the guys who have online the "Classic Cameras" web site, in English) rated it "very good", but there were "optimum" and "excellent" above that rate, and it is there that you find the prime lenses you mentioned. As I already said, I rarely work on other’s behalf, but the few times I had to take photographs of conferences and reunions, the only pillows I’ve seen were under people’s ass, not under their heads, so no way I could awake them with my noisy Contax, as they were not asleep at all (and anyway there always were dozens of colleagues who were using their clanky F4: if you find the Gs noisy, how would you call them? Terrorists?). Who's right