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Disposable Camera Film.

Jonathan Lowe , Oct 06, 2005; 05:37 p.m.

I get through many disposable cameras at work and find that lots are reconditioned kodaks. Do you think Kodak is aware that their film is being sold as other brands? and used in the cheapest of isposable cameras?

Today i came across another 'Italian' film (just the name on the sticker which covers the fujifilm cassette). I peeled awy the sticker to find it was a Fujifilm 'VENUS 400' has anyone heard of this film before? It also says it belongs to the 'superia' family.

Does anyone know the deal with disposable cameras? I mean the reconditioned ones, not the proper branded ones like the agfa box...but the cheap nasty ones you get from holiday gift shops and pound stores. Why are they using fuji, kodak, agfa and konica film but claiming to be another brand?

The picture is of a typical film i find claiming to be fujifilm (even though there are no fuji logos on it, it sure does look like a fuji) but is in fact Kodak.

thanks...just in the process of letting fuji/kodak know.


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Jack Fisher , Oct 06, 2005; 05:43 p.m.

How can we be certain that the stuff in the picture is not a recycled Kodak cartridge re-loaded with Fuji film and then branded (labeled) as Fuji Film? I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. ...or maybe I am not so suspicious.

Jack

Jonathan Lowe , Oct 06, 2005; 05:55 p.m.

good point, i'll check on the processed negative tomorrow to see whether the rebranded films are in fact what they claim to be.

R.T. Dowling , Oct 06, 2005; 06:42 p.m.

I don't see the word "Fuji" on the film canisters in your photo. The sticker uses Fuji's typical color scheme, which certainly would give the illusion of it being Fuji film, but perhaps a color scheme alone is not enough to constitute copyright/trademark/patent infringement.

Craig Shearman , Oct 06, 2005; 09:12 p.m.

This is all perfectly legitimate and Kodak and Fuji know all about it because they make millions by selling film and disposable bodies to the companies that put their brands on them. It's called private labeling and it's very common in all types of manufacturing, from film to clothing to canned food on your grocery shelves. CVS and WalGreens and back in the old days Sears, Wards and Penney might sell film under their names but they don't own film manufacturing plants. They contract it out. 3M used to be the biggest maker of private label film. Agfa and GAF were also big. Kodak shied away from it for a long time but with things being what they are today they've got to sell film anyway they can. Looking at the edge coding on the developed negs might or might not give you the answer -- if the customer is big enough, the film makers will print a custom name along the film edge for the right price. As for a Kodak body loaded with Fuji film and marked "Joe's Photo" that doesn't mean anything either. The Kodak empties don't necessarily go back to Kodak, they go back to whoever the photofinisher gets the best price from. As for Fuji or Kodak look-alikes that don't actually say Fuji or Kodak, that's like "Guchi" knockoff bags or "Rollecks" watches or "Likeuh" cameras. Counterfeit goods like that are most rampant in China and third world countries but pop up everywhere. Corporate lawyers go after the worst offenders but don't have the time to chase them all and some aren't big enough to bother with.

Dan Sapper , Oct 06, 2005; 10:54 p.m.

I think you are seeing knock-off film in recycled camera bodies. Fuji and Kodak know that it happens, but the "pirates" are crafty. Fuji sued Jazz camera company and finally won, after many years, preventing Jazz from using Fuji (or Kodak, for that matter) bodies and labelling them as "Jazz" cameras. Jazz then went out of business. Smaller companies, especially from China, get no-name film, used film canisters, then relabel the cans and put them into other's cameras. So it would not be suprising to find a Kodak-look canister in a Fuji body camera, with the whole unit labelled as something else (Joe's Party Camera, for example).

Jonathan Lowe , Oct 07, 2005; 03:18 a.m.

Thanks guys, this is most helpful.

We sell Jazz cameras in our shop so maybe they came back into business as a much smaller company.

What you're saying about the cannister not really mattering makes sense, i suppose it would just be a shell to hold film really, sometimes i find (underneath a sticker) company logos and markings scrubbed away to reveal bare metal so maybe some of them go to more effort than others.

thanks again.

James Goulden , Oct 07, 2005; 04:44 a.m.

we had our Jazz cameras recalled by the distributor of them in Ireland several months ago and then they came back in, all in new packaging and obviously not using fuji/koddak cannisters etc any more

Jacek Witold Chmielewski , Oct 04, 2009; 07:43 a.m.

I have already recovered a roll of AGFA 400 ASA 27 exp. film from little tiny Agfa Lebox. The simpliest way to recover without darkroom is to take all 27 pictures with lens covered and then just remove film, following notes on camera. In polish Carrefour there are Kodak Flash single use cameras almost twice cheaper than 400 ASA film in the same place.

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