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Snowflake like inclusions in lens?

Sassia Niederste-Hollenberg , Mar 26, 2004; 08:24 a.m.

I bought a used lens on ebay and found out it has 7-8 snowflake like inclusions ( looks like ice crystals ) in between lens glasses. I consider this a defect...Does anybody has experince with that and can tell me where it came from? Thanks, Sassia


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Sassia Niederste-Hollenberg , Mar 26, 2004; 08:32 a.m.

Here is an image of the defect... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2235951

Thanks for helping out.

Michael Hohner , Mar 26, 2004; 08:35 a.m.

It's fungus. Use the search function to find a ton of messages about this topic.

Christopher Hawkins , Mar 26, 2004; 08:41 a.m.

It is a very serious defect.

Douglas Greenberg , Mar 26, 2004; 09:54 a.m.

It's fungus, absolutely, and it's so prominently visible that your seller cannot claim that he/she "didn't notice." You have every right to rescind the sale. The alternative is to have the lens cleaned (probably $200 or more) and have the seller pay for this service.

Douglas Green , Mar 26, 2004; 10:48 a.m.

Absolutely, return it for a full refund. It's a bad case of fungus.

Andrew Robertson , Mar 27, 2004; 01:43 a.m.

I don't think that the seller is in any way required to accept your return. Caveat emptor. If they are honorable then they will.

Douglas Greenberg , Mar 27, 2004; 10:41 a.m.

Andrew, it's called "fraud," and it's against the law. If the buyer wants to, he can take the seller to court and he will win. Unfortunately, this is highly inconvenient in cases like this.

Sassia has a whole series of possible recourses here through ebay itself, but the final trump card is to sic the FBI's Internet Fraud people on the seller. In cases like this the threat of this kind of intervention has been known to elicit positive resolutions to issues like this.

I know about this kind of situation because I myself was sold a lens on ebay last year that had fungus that the seller did not disclose. I went through the ebay internal channels, which are based mostly on the hope that a seller will not want "negative feedback." This didn't really help much. I learned in the process about the possible intervention of the FBI, and heard of similar cases where this was helpful.

Fortunately, the seller, whose resistance to negating the sale was apparently due to his financial distress, decided to do the right thing, sort of, and we compromised on splitting the cost of cleaning the fungus off of the lens. With cheaper lenses this iwold not be worth the trouble, but this was a 400mm. f5.6 ED tele (I actually posted about this in the recent "400mm. lens" thread), so I felt that spending the additional $100 was a sacrifice I was willing to make. The lens turned out to be terrific.

The last bit of advice I would have for Sassia is not to threaten ebay-related "negative feedback" or to provide negative feedback prematurely. Exhaust all other avenues of resolution first.

Sassia Niederste-Hollenberg , Mar 27, 2004; 11:08 a.m.

Thank you all for the answers. I did not know about fungus in lenses and learned something new. The good news : the seller asked me to return the lens and will decide then if it is a defect. If the seller decides it is so ...they will then refund my money...and I agree with you on a lens like yours I would have done the same and cleaned it . This one I can buy new for 220$ ...so no cleaning for $200 or so... we will see how this is ending and I will keep you posted . In the mean time I will look for an other lens and make sure to ask if there are scratches, dents, fungus etc... I hope I dont need to have mayor issues with it. Thank you again. I love this forum...lots to learn:)

Ron Chappel , Mar 27, 2004; 08:03 p.m.

Too many people are convinced by epay that feedback/small ebay payout are the only avenues available to them.Yes it is fraud and can be prosecuted no matter what the buying circumstances.
Glad it's working out well for you Sassia

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