Interview with Liz Linder
Photo.net interview with Boston-based Nikon photographer by Hannah Thiem; created June 2007
Liz Linder is a commercial and fine art photographer, well-known for
her work with the local and national music scenes, and her
photographic style, which is classic, edgy and accessible. Much of her
work involves portraiture of artists, families and entrepreneurs. She
also works commercially with design firms on branding campaigns and
artist packaging, and her work has appeared in publications such as
Rolling Stone, Boston Magazine,
Spin, and Wired. Linder's fine and corporate
art have been exhibited both nationally and internationally.
View Liz Linder's photo.net gallery for
samples of her work.
When did you decide to become a photographer?
The way I think about it, I didn't decide to become a photographer,
photography decided for me. When I was about twelve or thirteen, I
picked up a camera and that was the beginning. I began to pursue
photography in earnest when I finished liberal arts school [Haverford
College, Pennsylvania], and realized I would have to do something for
work. This seemed to be the obvious choice because it was my passion,
and my life started to form around photography. This process involved
getting smaller photography jobs and working as an assistant. Over
time, the smaller jobs led to much larger assignments and soon enough
I was a full-time professional.
Liz Linder
Some of your studies were completed at the Museum of Fine Arts in
Boston, correct?
I took a year and a half off from college. During that time, I went to
the Museum School and thought maybe I should transfer everything. But
it was expensive and would have required repeating two years of
school. However brief, I got so much out of my time at the Museum
School; I would definitely recommend it. One memorable class was the
History of Photography with Jim Dow, which involved learning about
contextual elements of a photograph. Additionally, this class helped
me understand composition and lighting more deeply. During this year,
I spent a long period of time photographing at Mount Auburn Cemetery
in the Cambridge area. The trees, the stones, and the light and
shadow helped me learn to see things I hadn't seen
before. Compositionally, I apply that same knowledge to portraits and
almost any situation today.
What were the steps involved after graduating from college
to become a professional photographer?
After graduating, I got a job at the Photographic Resource Center as
the front desk person. It was an eye-opening experience. That job
lasted a year and I learned a lot about the community here. I met many
photographers who I know to this day, and spent all my free time in
the library.
I then started working at SBI, which sells camera gear and
film. Eventually, I started working for a few customers who came in
needing assistance. I patched together a work schedule assisting a
handful of photographers in a haphazard way, working for some really
great people, but no one who was doing exactly what I wanted to do. I
started making portraits of musician friends and soon I had a bunch of
small assignments.
Did you also do a lot of studio work assisting?
In all, I worked for about five years assisting on some level. I loved
working for Sam Ogden. Through him, I saw first-hand how a business is
run. He helped me understand what I needed to charge and how to
produce what someone needs at the end of a photo session. In many ways
he was my mentor.
What was your first big break?
Liz Linder
The summer of 1993, I worked on three projects without doing any assisting
work. One was a brochure for an environmental nonprofit
organization. It was the lowest paying, but still took a lot of time
and thought. The second was photographing all the architectural models
for the Harvard Graduate School of Design's yearly catalog. The third
project was a pin-up calendar - a collaboration with a business
acquaintance - slated to be safe, tasty and internationally
distributed. I had three great published pieces by the end of the
summer although I worked my butt off, nonstop 24/7. After the summer,
I didn't have the same quantity of work coming in and had to assist
here and there. That summer was the big break: I knew I wanted to be a
photographer more than anything else.
How would you describe your photographic style and how it has
developed over the years?
I tend to gravitate towards people and moments that have a balance of
raw and quirky elements to them. I like a sense of humor and a strong
emotional content. I want viewers to be able to relate to the
photographs. I tend to make subjects comfortable enough so they drop
their guard, and the portrait work I do reflects that. My style is
pretty clean and straight forward with classic elements and an
unexpected twist. I am really drawn to action and love capturing the
moment, whatever the moment is. Since the digital era, I enjoy working
in color more than I did in the film days because I can control it
better. When I used film, I preferred black and white.
You've spent a lot of time in the local music scene in clubs.
What draws you to photograph musicians?
At a certain point, I realized I got more inspiration from music
than from two-dimensional work because it exists in time; it's an
emotional hit and more stimulating to me than looking at a painting or
a piece of sculpture.
How did you build your business through music?
A singer friend of mine asked me to photograph her at an outdoor
summer festival. While there, I photographed another act who had some
label interest. They ended up buying a number of images and passed my
name along. Through word-of-mouth, I started working with more
musicians, not only doing portrait sessions but also concept work for
CD packaging and promotion. This transitioned into doing covers for a
trade publication, Performer Magazine, which led to more
gigs. Because my music photography was so widely published and
distributed, I began to get more inquiries for interesting commercial
assignments.
How do you attract clients?
Liz Linder
It has been such a word-of-mouth process. I try to supplement my
commercial work with a personal project or show and get some press on
a regular basis. I'll send postcards out to my mailing list and more
recently, supplemental email updates. Occasionally, I run ads in
regional magazines. Currently, I have two employees and we are
working together to strategically target ideal clients.
In 2007, we printed a brochure called, "Getting to Know Liz
Linder". This 24-page piece chronicles moments between the time I wake
up and the time I get to work. It includes very abstract images of the
alarm clock, rumpled sheets and toothpaste, fried eggs, a window view,
a shower scene; visual conceptions of all the things that could happen
between waking up and going to work. The piece is effective in
demonstrating that I work well on any scale, small or large. I love to
make the mundane visually appealing.
You also do some work for Berklee College of Music. Where has that
taken you?
In 1995, I assisted a really interesting photographer, Britain Hill,
who had a four-day assignment for Rolling Stone, at
Berklee College of Music. She lived out of town and when someone at
Berklee called her for another assignment, she recommended me. I've
been working with them on some level ever since. Through Berklee, my
first image was published in Rolling Stone. Since then, a
number of acts I photographed have been published in this and other
publications including Spin. One of my favorite groups
featured was the North Mississippi Allstars.
My work with musicians has led to calls from other magazines,
sometimes for assignments and sometimes for stock images. For
instance, I photographed John Lithgow for People
Magazine; Jazz Times recently requested stock
images of Kenwood Dennard; and I've had some cool assignments
published in Guitar World.
My affiliation with Berklee has also led to other higher education
jobs, including view books - thick, well-designed and often high
concept publications for prospective students - which are really fun
projects to work on.
How do you keep your ideas fresh and original when working on
CD artwork and promotional materials for music groups?
The same as with other assignments: I look for concept. I prefer
to interview my subject(s) prior to the photo session to find out more
about their ideas and mental pictures. I gather these thoughts and
offer suggestions to make them cohesive, taking into account their
time frame and budget. I approach each act individually and try to find
unique angles. If I'm feeling stale, I will change tactics, use a
different lens, or alter the mood. On occasion, I will outsource
for inspiration.
Through working on CD packaging, I have developed skills that
translate well across many areas. When I was starting out, I was
working in the trenches on projects with low budgets and high
expectations. Basically, this was my boot camp. Now I can come up with
strong visual solutions quickly and easily. For instance, an annual
report for a pharmaceutical company needs a meaningful cover that
attracts attention; rich details that support the story; as
well as portraits of the people who make everything happen.
Liz Linder
What was your experience working with the Dresden Dolls,
internationally-touring band?
I spend more time preparing for some sessions than others. The
Dresden Dolls were a cool, edgy duo that was a blast to photograph,
and an easy session. For their live show, my focus was to show the
high energy and dynamic relationship between the two performers. I
ended up crawling around backstage working different angles, and
photographing from the crowd's perspective with a long lens. I also
photographed the duo before and after in the dressing room, capturing
their theatrical makeup preparations. Overall, my focus was to
encapsulate the scene and the vibe from a riveting show and translate
it to a two-dimensional medium.
Do you prefer bringing musicians into the studio or photographing live
performances? What are the challenges?
While I like the controlled environment of a studio, people can be
more self-conscious standing well-lit in front of a backdrop. It's
great to have a change of scenery and go on location. I love the
challenges of working with existing environmental elements and
available light. Live photography is exhilarating if the both the
access and the lighting are good, since the performer is engrossed in
the moment and not considering the camera.
What are your techniques for low-light photography?
I love working with available light, especially in clubs, which can
result in strong, rich color saturation. I often hand-hold my camera
so I can be more mobile, and do whatever I can to make myself more
steady. I'll hold my breath, lean against a wall, rest the camera on
something like a chair or a railing, and sometimes use a monopod. When
the subject is more-or-less stationary, I photograph with as slow of a
shutter speed as I can get away with, sometimes even down to 1/10 of a
second. When the light is really low, for example in a nightclub, I
photograph at higher ASAs, anywhere between 640 to 3200.
Occasionally, I purposefully underexpose the image and punch it up
later on my computer. When using a flash, I'll power it down,
balancing the available light with the light from the flash to create
a more natural look rather than a strobe effect.
Liz Linder
I sometimes go for a lens flare effect in my images, especially for
performance photographs. I will even point the camera in the direction
of the light to get that effect.
What are some tactics you use to be invisible when photographing in a
club or at a music concert?
I make myself invisible mentally and am sensitive to the
performance. The more the audience is focused on the music and the
performers, and the more discreet I am, the better. The show comes
first at all times, however what endures after the show are the
photographs. It's a balance between the two. I also use a long lens on
occasion to allow myself more distance from the stage, while still
allowing for tight croppings of the musicians.
*For more of Linder's work with musicians, view her photo.net gallery.
What equipment do you use for available-light photography?
I work primarily in 35mm. I started with a Canon F1 and used lenses
with apertures of f/1.2 through f/2.8. When I needed to upgrade my
camera system to adapt to the digital world, Canon made it impossible
to do so with existing lenses, so I made the switch to Nikon.
Currently, my favorite camera is the Nikon D2Xs. I love that camera,
although it's super heavy. You could use it to defend yourself. The
battery lasts a really long time.
My favorite lens right now is a 17-55/2.8, which is roughly in film
lingo a 24-70mm. If I'm going on a simple assignment and only need one
camera, I'll bring that and a 50/1.4 for low light
situations. Sometimes I will use an SB800 Nikon flash. I've gotten
into macro lenses lately, and also have a 10.5 fisheye, a 12-24
ultra-wide, a 35-70 and an 80-200. The 80-200 exhausts me: it's a lot
of pounds to put in front of your face for hours on end.
For portrait work, I'll mainly use the 17-55 and sometimes the
35-70. I've been getting into using the 85/1.8 and the 50/1.4 for
portraits as well.
Liz Linder
Do you use filters or do you prefer post-processing?
I use UV filters on all my lenses to protect them, but not to
alter the colors. Occasionally, I will use a polarizing filter. I shy
away from too much trendy post-processing and keep it
straightforward. Today, everything is being over Photoshopped. I
simply color-balance and make appropriate adjustments to black and
white conversions. That's pretty much the extent of it.
When taking a test photo, do you use a meter or the histogram?
I use the camera's internal meter, and refer to both the histogram and
the image on the back of the camera. I zoom in to check for fine
focus. Occasionally, I will use a separate meter. With digital, you
don't need it as much as with film. For certain kinds of photo
projects I will use a meter to test lighting in different areas to
figure out where I need to put a strobe. I prefer minimal equipment.
What programs do you use for editing and conversions?
I've been using Photo Mechanic for editing, and we just got Aperture
for processing. I have three machines here and my processing machine
is the fastest one. On this one, Aperture can sprint, on the others it
jogs or sometimes crawls.
When I'm editing, meaning throwing out images, I like to go really
fast. Then we'll use Aperture or Photoshop to do the RAW
conversions. We do some adjustments in RAW and some in Photoshop. We
color-correct and do light retouching. We've calibrated our monitors
using Eye-One Match. The entire digital process is quite an ordeal.
Liz Linder
You mentioned you have a few people working for you?
My studio manager, Casey, is helping me continue to grow this
business. In the past three years, we turned this venture from a sole
proprietorship with an assistant to a business with two employees. The
second employee, Mary, does most of the post production and post
processing and also assists with business building. We all wear a lot
of hats, continue to refine our processes, and build on our collective
skills while getting good work in and out the door.
What is your system for backing up your files?
It took awhile to solidify this. I have a RAID drive, which has
redundancy, meaning there are five drives in a case. The information
is distributed in such a way that if one of the drives fails, the
other four will hold the material, in the event of disc
failure. First, when I photograph, we download the images onto my
machine. I do series of edits so we have the final batch of files that
we're going to keep. I will burn a copy of the RAW files onto a disc
and back it up onto an external hard drive off of my machine. Then it
will go to the processing station. Once that step is done, we back it
up on the RAID. The RAID has everything from the past two years we
need to access. We also have a set of back-up hard drives on site and
a set of discs on site. Just in case there's local trouble, I have a
full set of off-site backups, which is updated monthly. It's time
consuming and expensive. In 10 or 20 years, are these hard drives
really going to work? I look at my antiquated floppy discs realizing I
can't open those without extensive effort. As a professional, it's
essential to have backups of all of my work in multiple formats.
Where do you have the printing done for your shows?
Some of it I've done in-house on an Epson. Many photo labs will print
on Epsons. The large-scale gelatin silver prints I have done through
Palm Press in Concord, Massachussetts. They specialize in artists'
editions, portfolios, exhibition and museum work, and are very
well-connected in the photographic community.
When sending digital files, in what format do you send them?
Liz Linder
I either FTP them or burn them onto a DVD: TIFFs for certain
publications and JPEGs for other clients.
Would it have been helpful earlier on in your studies to take business
classes?
Although I have two employees, I've never had a map for my business:
it's a work in progress. I'm currently talking to a business
consultant and reading books on business strategies. I have good
instincts regarding pricing and marketing, but as far as getting these
instincts out of my head and coherently translating the ideas for
others is something I contine to learn. I'm sure a class wouldn't have
hurt!
It seems a lot of more creative fields don't focus on the business
aspect and you have to figure that out more for yourself. Would you agree?
I think you really need to. Most of the people I know who are
successful have figured out something about the business that's
working. It's not just what they're doing, it's the business around
it. There are so many brilliant artists who are threadbare and
broke. My sister, Joan Linder, is an artist and is successful at
getting large grants, sells her work in galleries, and has a
tenure-track teaching position. She survives as an artist and that's
really impressive.
Do you have any words of wisdom to offer someone aspiring to become a
commercial photographer?
The best thing you can possibly do is figure out what it is you love
about photographing and follow that. Don't worry so much about what
you think you should be doing. Figure out what floats your boat and
gives you satisfaction and then get behind it and really market it.
Do what you love and try to get recognition for it.
How do you build a strong portfolio for potential clients?
Liz Linder
Whenever I build portfolios, I always get second and third opinions on
them, sometimes neurotically four or five, from people seriously
involved in my field. My current process is to work with a designer
to give my portfolio some level of visual aesthetic. I pair images
accordingly and think of the sequence, how it reads, and what the body
of work is saying. It's good to be aware of your audience. I think
it's important to show what you're capable of, and at the same time
show the work you love to do. My portfolios contain both commercial
and personal work.
Liz Linder's Equipment
- Nikon D2Xs, $4300 (review)
- Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8G ED-IF AF-S DX, $1190
- Nikon 50mm f/1.4D AF Nikkor, $295 (review)
- Nikon 35-70mm f/2.8D AF, $900
- Nikon 12-24mm f/4G ED IF Autofocus DX, $935 (review)
- Nikon 10.5mm f/2.8G ED AF DX Fisheye, $580
- Nikon 135mm f/2.0D AF DC-Nikkor, $1055
- Nikon 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro-Nikkor, $380 (review)
- Nikon 35mm f/2.0 AF, $300 (review)
- Nikon 85mm f/1.8D AF Nikkor, $420
- Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8D ED AF Zoom Nikkor, $915 (review)
- Nikon SB-800 AF Speedlight, $314
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Text edited by Hannah Thiem. Photos copyright Liz Linder.
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