David Godwin , Jun 15, 2001; 03:09 p.m.
Somewhere I picked up that using a yellow filter would help a little in shadow details. Because of the 'blue' light? I thought all this time yellow darkened 'blue'. Remember sky/clouds contrast. Does anybody know about this yellow filter/shadow thingie? Is there any truth to it?
ernie gec , Jun 15, 2001; 03:21 p.m.
Yellow filters lower blue values, as you mention. Shadow light
contains a significant proportion of blue reflected light and so
will definitely result in lowered negative densities where a yellow
filter is used. The extreme of this is achieved through the stronger
red filters, where shadow values are often completely "dumped." If
you want to preserve shadow values avoid the yellows oranges & reds.
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It is somewhat possible to increase shadow placement & reduce
development to couter-act this tendency when using these filers, but
the question then is why use them in the first place?
David Godwin , Jun 15, 2001; 03:38 p.m.
Sounds like I had it backwards. I was thinking the Yellow filter would
aid in maitaining shadow details. This would have been useful in
contrasty lighting situations. However, the Yellow Filter will
actually lower the negative density and increase the contrast between
light and shadow. This makes more sense since I was already taught
that a Yellow filter would increase contrast between blue sky and
clouds. All that said, the crux of the matter is that the Yellow
filter will deepen shadows. Am I thinking straight yet?
Chris Jordan , Jun 15, 2001; 03:44 p.m.
David,
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Filters are great for increasing local contrast/separation in areas
of a given color range (sky, foliage, red rock faces). It takes some
time experimenting to learn how film reacts to different color
filtrations (I'm still learning!) A good resource is Adam's book, the
negative. It offers some good comparison photos. I like light yellow
for many landscape/foliage shots because it doesn't give an
artificial, over-dramatized look.
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I've found the loss in shadow detail can be compensated for by
METERING through the filter to determine my shadow zone placement.
Just take the filter off the lens and hold it in front of your meter.
I've had better results this way than applying filter factors (and
its more intuitive for my somewhat taxed brain). Hope this helps.
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Chris
Dave Anton , Jun 15, 2001; 08:50 p.m.
David, when compensating for filters it is best to begin with the
recommended filter factors written by the manufacturer and then adjust
from there. Metering through the filters helps out some but the meter
doesn't see the same way that your film does and may give you an
incorrect reading. If you are having troubles with your shadow
detail, consider increasing your exposure and reducing your
development. With some practice, you'll be able to predict how your
filters are affecting your shadows.
Dan Smith
, Jun 15, 2001; 10:53 p.m.
Take the time to run a test exposure or three with the filters and
the specific film you want to use. Change film & you may change more
than you expect. Tmax 100 has an extended red sensitivity that might
make your filter factors for shade way off when you look at the
processed negatives. If you test it first you know how much to open
up to compensate.
William Marderness , Jun 16, 2001; 09:32 a.m.
To get more shadow detail, try a blue (47, 47B) or blue-green (44A)
filter. I use these as often as I do yellow. Shadows do open up, but
you may need to increase development time a bit, to avoid a mushy
look.
Pete Andrews
, Jun 18, 2001; 04:43 a.m.
I think a polarising filter gives a lot more control over contrast
than any coloured filter. You can cut the reflected light off foliage
and other semi-reflective surfaces with it, and this really brings the
overall contrast down. The effect is deceptive to the eye, because
colour saturation is increased, and you really need to experiment with
a roll or two of 35mm to see how B&W negatives respond.