Pete Gregar , Jul 16, 2001; 02:05 p.m.
I wanted to know some basics on setting up a portrait shot.
I have polaroid film for tests, but I don't wanna waste a bunch!
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Equipment:
Photogenic 1500 with softbox
4X5 view camera
and if I need them, reflectors and extra light stands.
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What angle from the camera do I want the strobe? 30°
I would angle the softbox to be perpendicular to the subject?
then I would reflect on the other side just out of view of my lens?
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When I use my flash meter do I ignore the reflector? (point the meter directly at the strobe)
Or would I point it back at the camera.
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thanks
Ellis Vener 
, Jul 16, 2001; 02:55 p.m.
Angle: Your flash has a modeling light, turn it up to full power and
once you have your sitter in place, move the softbox and light
around until the lighting looks right to you. Move it from left to right
sides, closer to your camera and away from it and towards the
background, higher and lower, and closer and father away from
your subject. Once you have a basic position established, try
panning the box to the left and to the right and also up and down.
Same thing with your bounce reflector. After every move go back
and look at your subject from the cameras position. <P>
The general rule to start with the Softbox or diffusers ios to start
with the face of the box about as far from your subject as the
length of the diagonal across the front ofthe softbox. Closer than
this and the "ofter' or 'smoother' or less contrasty the light will
appear. Farther than this diagonal distance and the more
contrasty, or harsher the light will appear. This effect can be
manipulated to great and creative effect. it is one reason why
some professionals 9and very well equipped amateurs have
several different size softboxes.<P>Metering: Some people think
you absolutely have to point the meter dome at the light and
some think you absolutely have to point it at the camera and
others think you should point it at an angle that is somewhere in
between. My advise to you is to do tests at all three angles and
look at the results. All three aprroaches are valid, but what works
best will be the one that gives you the result you want on the
print.<P>Good luck!
Charlie Strack , Jul 16, 2001; 06:42 p.m.
This is a really good time for:
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1. Getting a book on studio lighting for some general ideas.
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2. Using your 35mm or 120 camera to shoot a bunch of sample, to see
what you like. One idea comes to mind: use 2 camera, one to take the
portrait, and one to take a picture of the setup (camera, lights,
etc.) since that's faster & easier than taking copious notes.
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Angles & aiming the lights, & reflectors are all part of the art of
studio lighting. It all depends on the results you want to achieve.
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If you can get your room relatively dark and have modelling lights,
use those as an initial guide.
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If you are using an incident meter, hold it at the subject, aim the
half-dome towards the lens, and meter; if you are using a reflected
meter, aim from the lens towards the subject.
Scott Walton , Jul 16, 2001; 10:09 p.m.
The placement of lights will determine your light pattern... classic or contemporary. 45 degrees is a Rembrandt, 90 degrees is a split, 25+- degrees is
a loop light pattern (and there are several versions like a short loop, long loop ect) and over camera is a butterfly pattern due to the shadow
under the noise. Usually the light is at least higher than eye level but not so high that you eliminate the catch light in the eye's. If you don't have
catch lights in the eye, it takes away and your portrait is lifeless. For fill you could use a sheet of foamcore on the opposite side of the face but with
a large enough softbox you will have alot of over spill maybe not needing the fill. When metering, to start off, meter the light with the dome. If
you just meter towards the camera, your REALLY averaging the light. For a white person, I tend to open up so that the skin has more punch and
looks 1 zone higher than zone V... neutral grey. You will see the light patterns alot better with a small umbrella rather than the soft light of a
softbox. In fact for your own eyes (with a patient model) use straight modeling lights and just move the light around to see what your getting.
Jonathan Brewer , Jul 17, 2001; 12:00 a.m.
Yes you should start out as the other post suggests, feeling your way
around by attempting to do a few exposures going for the 'Rembrandt
effect'. The light goes 45 degrees on the horizontal(O being the lens
axis and 90 being straight from the side)and then 45 up(midway between
the horizontal and the top of the subjects head) and the light will
form a triangle on the opposite side of the nose from the light source
giving you what many consider and call 'optimum portraiture'.
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Just remember halfway around to the back and halfway up to the
vertical and a triangle of light on the opposite side of the subjects
nose.
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This is just me, but I would suggest a lot of experimentation
with the butterfly set-up(over and under with your key above the
lens axis), the reason being that when you perfect this set-up, it is
right and works, no matter which way you subject turns.
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When it comes to B&W portraits I'd suggest some experiments with
'high key' or overexposure with and without a 25R which can produce
some great results but in doing this you have to give careful
consideration to wardrobe, backround, and key+fill to fill(in regards
to skintone). You can experiment with 'high key' to lesser extremes
with color(without the 25R of course!).
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I've gotten some good results going with the butterfly set-up(with
the main light directly over the lens axis) and 'high key'with a 25R
filter overexposing as much as three to four stops, which has, in
combination with printing on a FB warm tone paper with a creamy white
base can gives you a porcelain type 'sheen' and smoothness to
skintones which looks great when it works. It doesn't always work,
and it's not for every subject/client but once mastered it's another
tool in your pocket.
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Ciao! and good luck
Ellis Vener 
, Jul 17, 2001; 09:00 a.m.
I just hate when people talk about lighting in fixed terms like
"rembrandt" or "classic" or "contemporary." I just think that kind of
jargon is too limiting , especially for beginners. The most
important thing about lighting is to set your light up and then
move it around till it looks right to you and then shoot a Polaroid
or just contemplate it for a while. if you aren't satisfied with the
Polaroid, think about what would look better and then movethe
light to that position and test again. As you gain experience you'll
find this process gets shorter and shorter and you'll develop your
own vocabulary of light.<P>
Here is another tip: start with one corner of your softbox (what
size is your softbox?) over the camera and then, using that
corner as a pivot point, swing the opposite edge of the box closer
to and further away from your sitter or the object you are lighting.
Then try tilting the box down toward the siter or object. Or raising
the box to well over the camera or well below. etc. <P>The great
thing about Polaroids is that you can make notes about the
image directly on the print about what you just did. Start a
notebook with these Polaroids taped to the pages and make
further notes about the photo if you need too.<P>But please ,do
yourself a favor and refrain from mysterioso jargon such as
'rembrandt", "clasical", "contemporary", etc. as much as
possible.
Pete Gregar , Jul 17, 2001; 09:53 a.m.
Starting the softbox at the corner of the lens?
I will be using a 203mm lens. And will probably be doing full length
children. So I normally would back the camera up a bit.
Don't I want to keep the flash closer to the subject?
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Or should I read this as keeping the corner of the softbox inline
with the lens axis, then pivot the softbox.
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I can do practice runs in the basement. So I can have it lighted or
almost dark. I can see the modeling lights better in the dark.
Should I also keep the room dark when I take the shot? Or turn them
on.
Pete Gregar , Jul 17, 2001; 09:55 a.m.
Butteryfly setup.....
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Would I have the reflector under the subject, direct opposite the
above softbox?
Jonathan Brewer , Jul 17, 2001; 02:02 p.m.
The main thing to remember about the Butterfly set-up is that if
you position the main light or key light so that it is coming from the
right of the lens axis, you would then position a reflector(or a
softer lower intesity light than your key to work as a fill) to the
left of the lens to catch and bounce some of the main lights rays back
onto the subject as fill.
If your key is right, your reflector is left, if the key is left
position your5 reflector right, if the key is over the lens axis the
reflector is under the lens axis and so on. When using the butterfly
set-up, generally the reflector is a little closer to the subject than
the key light in order to reflect the keys light back onto the
subject.
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You'll have to tweak this set-up a lot before you actually shoot
and/or do a lot of tests. I believe the benefits of this particular
set-up is worth the time and trouble.
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Ellis, I respect your posts as thoughtful and reasoned, but I
disagree with you on a couple of issues. Please do not take offense.
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Sure when you talk about the Rembrandt effect, it sounds like
needless jargon to a newcomer, and it sounded that way to me when I
first heard it. I went out of my way to learn what it was, how it was
used by Painters and Photographers and then I filed it away in the
back of my mind as another tool to use when needed.
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You cannot go wrong trying to expose yourself to the different
set-ups/styles/tricks/variations that everyone else has used in the
past. I'm not suggesting you learn this stuff to copy it, but to
learn why. You can get this info by auditing an art and/or
photography class, from art books, photograhpy books, seminars,
anything you can find out. File all this away into your bag of
tricks.
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Having said this, I do agree with Elis about puting the light
where you want, and this works a good deal of the time. All the other
knowledge is valuable and comes into play when you need to be problem
solver regarding a difficult set-up, when your normal way of working
isn't working, as inspiration and as a springboard for new ideas and
so on. The more tools you have, and the more concepts and styles you
expose yourself to cannot help but make you a better Photographer.
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Ciao
DK Thompson
, Jul 17, 2001; 03:24 p.m.
Yeah..with all due respect to Ellis as well, I agree with you about
the terms...I come from a trad. background and was taught in terms of
butterfly, broad, short & rim lighting for portraits. These are really
sort of the basics, and just about any lighting book from the last 50+
yrs. will use these terms. I don't see it as any more mumbo-jumbo than
talking about GNs, or whatever.
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As far as butterfly lighting goes, the trick is to keep the shadow
under the nose the right size...if it gets too big and falls into the
lips, this is wrong, and if it's too small it won't be right
either...it's a good lighting style for certain subjects, but with
heavy faces it can flatten them out a bit....there are all sorts of
styles to make certain faces look good as well, using
highlights/shadows. My advice would be a good basic portraiture book,
like Kodak's "Professional Portrait Techniques" or some of those old
Focal press lighting books. Softboxes are really sort of a new thing
in a way...I learned these styles using hardlights & diffused direct
lights....my instructor would have thrown me out of the studio if I
tried it any other way...but it taught me some important lessons, that
I use frequently.