Welcome to Photo.net: A Community of Photographers

Home > Learn > Turning Pro

Turning Pro

by David Henderson; created June 1999

More than any other pastime I know, the achievement or even hope of competence in photography marks a desire to do it for money. Sometimes for a living; sometimes just to earn a little something to offset the costs. I don't know why this is; there are plenty of hobbies that can be as expensive. Sadly, I think the closest we get to a reason is that anyone can make a photograph that a professional would be pleased to sell - that is there's a big overlap between the "quality" of professional and amateur work. This couples with the desirability of the lifestyle apparently enjoyed by certain types of pro photographer, especially Landscape and Nature photographers, whose life seems like one long paid vacation.

It is axiomatic that only a tiny percentage of those that want to flip their lives into professional photography will make it. Fortunately, the biggest reason for failure to make it is that they don't actually try. The ones that are most successful won't necessarily be the best photographers, so then what are the arbiters of success and failure?

This being an article, not a book, I haven't attempted an all-embracing answer. Instead I've explored my daily life as a "Landscape/ Urban Landscape" photographer, and my past life as a Business Strategy Consultant to major corporates, to pull together half a dozen key themes that I believe will have a strong influence on whether someone can make a transition into professional photography successfully.

Now before I go any further I'd better set down some parameters here. I'm not talking about those who decide on a career in photography at an early age, follow a vocational college course or attach themselves to a professional. I am talking about the people who happily (or otherwise) hold down a day job until the bolt hits them that they'd rather be taking pictures for money than doing this, or as well as doing this. I'm talking about the people who want to turn a hobby into an income stream, which is what I've been fortunate enough to do myself.

Focus on the demand side

.The thing that makes you a professional photographer is having customers. You can have the best equipment, studio, business systems or even the best photographs in the world, but it's having customers that marks you as a pro. Far too many aspiring professionals take refuge in the supply side - what items of equipment, facilities, software, etc are needed? What are you going to do yourself and what will you have done by external specialists? They are all essentially easy decisions because all of them are under your control. Sure, you have to make all these supply-side decisions, but the really important thing is to get to understand what market(s) you're going to sell into, and get to be pretty sure that your chosen markets like what you do, might just buy from you, and are capable of buying in sufficient volume and prices to create a satisfactory business.

There is more to this than producing a list of "might become customers", though that's at least a start. It's also getting to expose your work to them and getting some form of feedback on whether your work fits with their needs. It's learning about the price structures that apply in your selected marketplaces so you understand how much you're going to need to sell. It's about understanding your prospective customers' buying processes and where you'll need to insert yourself into them. These aren't the first things you should do after announcing yourself as a professional photographer- they are things you need to do before committing yourself. It's staggering how many people want to be stock photographers without understanding what is the average return per image held in different libraries; how this is trending; and whether any meaningful library is going to be interested in their work; whether there's any opportunity to be featured in their physical or online catalogues etc. Until you know these sorts of thing there's little point deciding to be a stock photographer. I do appreciate that this is much more difficult than deciding what sort of scanner to buy, but then it's more important too.

Know why customers should choose you

Not every brand or business in the world has a competitive advantage but it helps. Not least because prospects will surely ask you why they should work with you and it's best to be able to give them an answer that isn't obviously just made up as you go along.

It's possible that your competitive advantage lies in your photography; that you have an approach or a skill that differentiates what you do from others. It could equally be in the service you deliver, in your "packaging " of your product, or in you. When everything else is equal, the nice guy, or in reality the guy who comes across as easy to do business with, gets the job. On the other hand sometimes your work has to speak for itself. If you're planning to make a career or just money out of stock, editorial work, calendars, greetings cards then your work is going to have to stand on its merits without much intervention from you, and being able to differentiate your work from others is a critical element.

On the other hand if you're majoring on commercial work, portraits, weddings, then the customer is choosing you, the approach you bring to the task, and the service you promise as well as voting for your photography. The scope for creating "advantage" in the mind of the prospect is wider, and doesn't depend only on your photographs.

Not all successful businesses have a true "competitive advantage". You've heard the expression "f8 and be there". Well, to win business just be there. If you can find out what triggers people's need for your services then you can work out a way to be at their shoulder when the need arises, you'll get more business.

Commitment.

Is this what you really want? Unsurprisingly there's a link between commitment and success. It isn't 100% - some people do seem to be fortunate enough to get a good living without overtly trying too hard - but I think most people would accept that there is a strong relationship here. The thing about commitment is that you'll only really deliver it sustainably if you can see some satisfaction from what you're doing, and if it fits with the other elements of your life.

I can't stress too highly the importance of really, really getting the buy -in of those people to whom you owe responsibility. The life you're moving into may well take you away from home more than you've been used to. It is likely to mean less income in the short term and perhaps forever. It is likely to mean that your income fluctuates and if you have a high level of regular expenditure, that is not going to help. It means an ongoing degree of uncertainty - even if you're doing wonderfully well today it could all come to a halt in a few months. Some people are just better at coping with that than others, and see it as a spur not as a barrier. It isn't just whether you can cope with these things, it's whether you and any dependants all can. It's unlikely that you'll be able to sustain high levels of energy and commitment long term unless you have the positive support of those that depend on you.

Equally you have to face up to the fact that a life as a photographer doesn't mean you get to photograph every day. You'll spend at least as much time generating customers, handling the logistics of your life, and managing a business as you do behind a camera. Personally I'm lucky if I photograph 100 days a year and I only manage that because I decide to outsource all printing and processing tasks rather than spend my life in a darkroom or behind a computer. 100 days a year means little more than I could do if I dedicated my vacations and most weekends to photography as an amateur.

In some ways photography as an amateur is grand. You get to photograph what you like when you want; you get to stay in bed when it's raining. You get to throw away or suppress every single image that doesn't represent your absolute best in the right conditions. In most cases professional photography involves photographing what someone else wants and working to a deadline they set or which they find acceptable. Clearly, you're responsible for what you do and don't deliver, but sometimes you will find yourself handing over work that isn't as good as it could have been because behind every quotation or contract there is an amount of time that the photographer has budgeted to spend. In reality the client gets the best that could be achieved in that time, which is not always the same as the best that photographer could do. This in turn relates to the perception, raised at the beginning of this article, that there often isn't a lot of difference between the "quality" of amateur and professional work. The amateur has the luxury of comparing their best work with professional work which may have been severely budget constrained; produced under a tight deadline within which conditions were far from ideal; and then the client may have chosen the wrong images anyway!

Books of photographs are another good example. Many of them, even those by photographers of great ability, contain at least some images that are less than imaginative or interesting. Why? Well unless you get very lucky indeed, producing books of photographs is unlikely to lead to fame and fortune. Well, fame maybe, but not to fortune. So the photographer has to budget time to accumulate the images, and this competes with arguably better paid work on other things. As before, the result is that some of the work in the book is not the best the photographer could do. He'd love to spend a few more days or weeks on this but his schedule, or his bank balance, or the publisher's schedule just don't allow it.

None of this means to paint a gloomy picture. It is meant to highlight a very few of the realities of a professional's world in the context that if you enjoy it you'll possibly remain committed and if you're committed you'll possibly make a success of it.

Manage for cash.

Everyone tells aspiring professionals that they have to acquire business management skills, make a proper business plan and so on. Clearly that's just so right that there's little point debating or re-stating it. "Managing for cash" is a philosophy I'd commend within the generalised planning/ controlling/ analysing/ evaluating/ re-planning cycle. What it really means is that you should try really hard to spend out of what you get paid, rather than spending in order to get paid.

There really isn't much of a worse time than running a business that doesn't have enough cash. Not being able to pay suppliers because the check won't clear. Explaining to suppliers that even though you can't pay last month's invoice, you need continuity of supply, please. Wondering whether this will be the month when the bank gets bored with bailing you out. No cash is a nightmare; and it's by far the biggest reason why businesses have to cease trading. Provided you have made profit historically you can in theory run a business at a loss for as long as you want. If you run out of cash you have to stop. Short term, cash is more important than profit.

Managing for cash comprises two elements. Influencing the speed with which money comes in on the one hand, and controlling the speed with which it goes out is clearly the other. Each of the businesses I've helped run has operated a very simple cash book in which every day the money we've received and the checks/ debits issued have been entered. This provides in essence a daily review of uncommitted funds in the business. And a clear limit on the value of checks/debits that can be raised. Monthly this is reconciled to the bank statement. It means that every day you know how much cash you've got and avoids the possibility that you slip into negative cash without knowing.

This method measures but it doesn't fully control. Controlling receipts is something you start by building into your paperwork from the outset. If I see a business that has difficulty collecting its debts then I can bet that one or maybe all of the following apply.

  • There is no contract in existence that describes the services to be provided and states when the photographer is going to get paid, including any advance deposits.
  • There is no process for reminding customers of the obligations they've agreed to-chasing the debt. Waiting for the mail each day is not chasing the debt.
  • There is no sanction available to the photographer if the customer doesn't pay or withholds part payment, because the customer has everything they need.
  • If a large contract or job is available from a commercial organisation then enthusiasm for the "win" means that nobody's checked their credit record.
  • Perhaps most common of all, there's a dispute over the invoice amount or the services provided. It is vitally important that changes to quotations, specifications etc are confirmed in writing. Wherever there's an invoice dispute I bet I can show you an important gap in the documentation.

Controlling your spend means not spending money you haven't been paid. If you haven't got enough money it's much more likely you need extra customers than a Canon DS whatever. It's so easy to spend money out of boredom when business is slack, and you've plenty of time to persuade yourself that you'll be able to get so much more business, or fulfil contracts so much more profitably, if only you had x or y. Very occasionally that will be right. The vast majority of the time it's wishful thinking, and waiting until your business can afford to buy or finance something will prove a better policy than gambling your business on speculative acquisitions. You should view capital acquisitions as a reward for bringing money in.

Be Flexible

If I look at the best known outdoor/nature photographers in the UK, pretty much all of them earn their income from a mix of sources rather than on one thing or even one main thing. Some combine paid photography with a part-time or even full time job. Those that are fully dependent on photography combine income from stock sales, books, print sales and exhibitions, calendars and greeting cards, magazine articles, and tuition/courses, together with a little commercial photography or portraiture. The proportions may vary, but the creation of income across a range of different business activities is ubiquitous. I have little doubt that things are similar in the USA. What I guess all this means is that few if any of these markets are big enough to sustain many specialists, and that for most people it is necessary to have photographic and business skills across a range of activities to thrive.

Similarly, if I look at most portrait studios, I see that they promote themselves a s wedding, location and small-scale commercial photographers as well. Again it's a question of how flexible you're able to be to fill your time, and your studio, to the maximum degree. In large measure, specialisation in a single narrow field is available only to the very successful, and then only in certain areas such as fashion, advertising, photojournalism, where the route in is unlikely to be conversion from a hobby.

So there we are. There turned out to be five criteria not six but then I think this is long enough. Oh, one more thing. The upside. Sometimes when I'm standing in a beautiful place, just looking and absorbing it after a successful hour behind the camera, I can't quite believe that someone is actually paying me to do this. There may be a lot of things I do that I could live without, but that feeling makes up for them.

Readers' Comments


Add a comment



Michael Nigro , March 06, 2003; 05:46 A.M.

I've learned the hard way that people have no clue about what goes into making a fine photograph or setting up and completing a commercial assignment . I supply each client with a pamphlet titled "This is what I do , how I do it and why my fees are what they are" . My pamphlet goes a long way to dispel the Walmart notion of "sit-smile-click for $9.95". If you can get them to understand how labor intensive your work is they will appreciate what you do and will pay your fees. If, after reading my pamphlet , a client persists in asking "how come so much" I politely decline the work. No matter what you do such people will not be happy and, human nature being what it is, will badmouth you at every opportunity. Take a look at Elsa Dorfmans home page on this site. This will give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

Francesco Garbin , March 06, 2003; 07:48 A.M.

Thanks for your comments on making a living as a pro. I run a small photostudio specializing purely in advertising/commercial. I've made my mind up and started this new venture after a 10-years long career in marketing communication for a large IT multinational. BOTH Photography AND advertising were my true passions, now I make my best to support my expensive lifestyle out of those. First and foremost, after a few months since I started the business, I can tell you for sure that my lifestyle is not so expensive any more.

Making a portfolio to show up to prospects is tough as it takes time and money, whilst competition in the advertising business is fierce and newcomers are generally commissioned work that other have refused or not provided 'coz the assignement was too poorly paid or simply too difficult. In the latter case, it happens that I've just finished an assignment dealing with fruits for a manufacturer of fruit juices sold through the large distribution channel. Even though the business volume of this client is in the range of the millions of Euros, they budgeted just 2000 Euros for the shots and came back paying more or less the half because the rest got eaten for purchasing "the most beautiful fruit" you could find in the world (and in fact we managed to ship it from Africa: try to find a decent-looking peach accross Europe in February and you'll know). And, last but not least, the current economic climate seems to drive advertising budget downwards.

At the same time, advertising studios are incredibly expensive beasts to mantain: rent a large basement floor, stuff it wih huge pro-level flashes and cameras and Apple Mac$$$, get that digital back that costs like a new car and that does not work with your existing large-format lenses (and Imacon did not told you that on their brochures!), find a local artisan that can build you a decent limbo such that you don't have retouch every single shot to get scratches out, put assignment costs forward and hope you get all the money back at the end. How many people do you know that can mantain a creative spirit with all this stuff on their back? Well, you have to: advertsing it's a swim or sink business, images have to be perfect, no excuseses accepted, so get your ass up and add that final detail that will make that picture really stand up.

We are slowly getting new clients, one at the time, because so far we haven't messed up with the existing ones. The acquisition process cannot be structured or planned other than in your dreams, so you need to care a lot for your existing client base, whether it's large or small. Demand for commercial images is high in the area where we're based, there's plenty of advertising agencies but also quite a few highly specialized studio. I shoot twice a week in average and apply a daily rate which covers running costs (rent, telephone, etc.). The rest of my time goes into advertising the business at every single opportunity. Luckily, my previous sales/marketing experiences have shaped me into a nuclear weapon for this type of activities.

I've decided that, for the first year only, I will do my best not to get obsessed with money not coming in as I'd like to, and concentrate both on the quality of my work and on the clients' satisfaction: never get late on location, never make them wait a day more than planned in the briefing, be flexible on pricing and always remember that first time customers are worth an extra discount if this gives you the option of demonstrating how you can solve them a problem better than the other guy, assuming they'll get back to you the next time for a larger assignment. Wise words - for now I have spent about 25.000 Euros and plan to invest a similar amount during the year to fulfill my clients' digital experience (the digital back, do you remember?). Total expenditure will amount at 60.000+ Euros to have all the bits and pieces we are asked to have by the best agencies of the area.

Will I make a profit? Start-up time for commercial studios is generally two-years. A well-run studio can manage about 50 assignments a year for a total gross profit of 200-250.000 Euros a year. I'll let you know if I'm right in a year from now.

All the best,

F.

Michael Miller , March 06, 2003; 07:50 A.M.

It all comes down to the simple statement, "I don't know photography, but I know what I like". I don't think customers really care about the technical, if the photograph speaks to them they'll buy it.

Michael Nelson , March 07, 2003; 12:49 A.M.

David, this was extremely well written in my opinion. And no, I'm not a pro.

What I find interesting is your point of view, a very practical view. In other words, what you have written could apply to ANY business, and that is what is important.

Daffy Duck once said "Life isn't all beer and skittles." Your view of looking at your day to day business as a plus or minus makes sense. And you enjoy it too! Well done.

Nikos Moraitakis , March 07, 2003; 02:24 A.M.

A guy I know that runs a local photo business once told me that going pro was probably the worst decision in his life. The rationale he provided was that "once you turn your hobby into a business it stops being a hobby anymore."

The above is quite obvious, but I'm taking a note of it here, as it seems to me that many people believe that earning monetary rewards for an activity elevates it, ultimately making it more rewarding in a more general sense.

I believe people need hobbies as much as they need to be doing a job that satisfies them in some ways. Yet the two are distinct needs, and rarely if ever one thing can double for both.

What I enjoy about photography (or any other personal hobby) is that I don't really have to balance the accounts, or align myself to a market, or do extra work outside my personal desires in order to educate and please customers or collect debts. This is as close as I can get to the definition of a hobby. An that accounts for hobbies being more or less expensive - they are bound to be if they do not involve compromising the nature of the activity for return on investment.

There must be plenty of people around who were once hobbyists and now professionals. I would be very much interested on reading their thoughts after the fact. Have you ever felt you compromised you hobby? Now being a pro, have you found yourself cultivating new hobbies you never had before? If so, would you say that photography ceased being a hobby and they are actually replacing your need-for-a-hobby?

Krishnan V , March 07, 2003; 06:34 A.M.

Firstly congratulations on a very lucid article.

I am sure that the business angle you describe is applicable and even central to any successful venture. A breakin into any business is possible and will happen given a certain amount of perseverance and logic but, what will make any venture successful is customer retention and increase in orders over time.

It would be interesting to know the answers to the questions asked by Nikos in his last paragraph.

Nice work David !

Jay Dougherty , March 07, 2003; 07:44 A.M.

As a person who once turned a hobby into a profession, I can tell you one thing: I do not plan to do the same thing with photography. It will always remain my hobby. I will do it when I want to and how I want to. Making money will be a sife-effect, if anything, of my having fun. I guess if you try really hard, you do learn a little something as you grow older. Have fun.

Erol Ata - NYC, NJ , March 19, 2003; 01:07 A.M.

Well, i'm not a pro yet but I have been paid for some product shots and have even sold some fine art pieces. I do plan on persuing this as a full time career. I understand the logic of keeping it as a hobby but I also understand the concept of being succesfull in something you enjoy doing.

Please remember, you have to enjoy what you do. When you find somthing you enjoy, success comes naturaly. I think this web site is a great forum and full of talented and knowledgable members.

Salute'

Jay Dougherty , March 19, 2003; 03:21 P.M.

>>When you find somthing you enjoy, success comes naturaly.<<

This of course sounds good, but whether it is in fact true will depend upon how you define "success." One thing's for sure: that definition will evolve as you do. Is the profession of photography flexible enough, financially and creatively, to follow?

Emiliano Rial Verde , March 20, 2003; 04:07 P.M.

Hi all,

Thanks David for your thoughtful article. I am not a pro but I would like to contribute to the question posted by Nikos. My Dad was a very serious amateur that after winning several photo contests and becoming a teacher and a very respected member of the YMCA photoclub in Buenos Aires, turned into a pro for a big publishing company. He used to cover F-1, Rally and other car races as well as architecture, art and interior design for two different magazines published by that Company. After becoming a pro, he slowly abandoned the “hobby side” of photography as he stopped participating in the photoclub and the photo contests. Photography really became a job for him and I suppose he stopped enjoying it the way he used to when he started as a young avid amateur carrying a Yashica D everywhere. He eventually abandoned the profession to follow a much less lucrative academic career. When I finished high school I decided that I wanted to study Biology but I would like to become a photographer too. My Dad’s advice was that to become a pro he could set me up to start helping one of his friends in the business. However he didn’t think that a full-time university degree like Biology would be compatible with becoming a pro. He explained to me about the dedication needed, the flexible hours, the travel and that the only way to build a career out of photography is to work very hard and full-time. At the beginning I had to help and learn from a pro before becoming one myself; that required all my time. I am a Biologist. Cheers,

Emiliano Rial Verde

Doug MacMillan , March 26, 2003; 10:30 A.M.

Nikos was curious about folks who have turned their hobby into a profession. I've come full circle, starting out as an amateur, working as a professional for 25 years, then becoming an amateur.

I've loved photography since I was eight. I decided to pursue it when I had been in college for two years, so I applyed an was accepted at Art Center College of Design in Los Angeles, which is considered one of the top U.S. art schools. After graduating, I moved back home and worked as a commercial photographer. When I was in my mid thirties, I went back to school full time, got a degree in computer science and have been in the field since. I'm still an avid photographer.

There have been those who pointed out that when you turn pro, you do less and less of your own photography. That's very true. Perhaps 10% of the jobs I did were personally rewarding, the rest generated income. Turning a hobby into your livelihood sure ruins it as a hobby!

Think long and hard about the therapeutic value of your hobby. There's lots of things of value in our life that don't and shouldn't earn money. I'm afraid our society values endeavors based on their profit making potential. It's alright to pursue something for the joy of it. If you become a professional photographer, you'll need another hobby to replace what photography once provided. The trouble is, you'll never have time to pursue it. You can enjoy photography without all the latest expensive gizmos. Believe me, pros have the bare minimum of equipment to do the job, because their tools have to earn their keep. You may need that lovely Canon 400mm 2.8 lens for a job once every five years, if ever. The pro rents it and returns it before even getting to "play" much. I have far more "toys" as an amateur, because I can buy it without having to justify the purchase.

Yes, being a desk jockey can be frustrating, boring and anxious. I have been able to structure my work, though, in a way that allows me some free time. I don't work 60-80 hour weeks anymore, and when I walk out the door, I leave work behind. Everything in life is a tradeoff, it's just a matter of choosing. I don't regret the time I spent as a pro, but I'm happy now just being an amateur.

Doug

Francesco Garbin , April 01, 2003; 04:09 A.M.

Folks,

appreciate all comments but... to be really honest with you... I just happen to love this job. Geez, advertising is sooooo coooool!

F.

Image Attachment: pncomposit.jpg

Laurent Lathieyre , July 17, 2003; 10:07 A.M.

Nice article although I do not agree with the "focus on the demand side" part. It might be true from a strict business point of view but I believe some of us who want to dedicate themselves to photography are interested in being true to themselves. I mean, you can't develop a sincere and honest artistic approach to photography if you don't do what you are meant to do. As for me I would prefer not doing photo at all rather than turning "pro" to do wedding images.

Joe Garrick , September 03, 2003; 11:23 P.M.

Photography started as a hobby for me, then I did it professionally for a while and ruined a perfectly good hobby. It took over a decade before I could pick up a camera again without having it feel like work. I finally picked it up again just recently when my wife and I took a trip to Yosemite in California. That got the bug started in me again, but it was a long, long dry spell.

9/3/2003
I'll add a follow up in response to this comment:

...you have to enjoy what you do. When you find somthing you enjoy, success comes naturaly...

It's been my experience that you can learn to enjoy anything you can do well, and that success only comes naturally if you work hard at something and you're good at it. That may be a result of enjoying it, buy I think enjoyment tends to follow success more than lead it, and I definitely don't think it's a guarantee of success.

Todd Rainer , September 27, 2003; 09:54 A.M.

I really don't get this attitude that turning pro will ruin a fine hobby.
I've shot as a hobby for twenty years, and professionally now for only two and I still get a thrill out of doing a shoot.
Is it work? Yes. Can it be hard? Of course. Does it pay a lot of money? No, NOT YET.
Photography is STILL something I do on my (few) days off, and I'm almost never without a camera of some sort to take that one shot that would have got away otherwise.
It doesn't matter what you do, as long as you LOVE what you're doing. And if you're out there making pictures and you don't absolutely love it, then you're just wasting your life.
Me? I ABSOLUTELY LOVE photography!

Mike Scarpitti , October 31, 2003; 04:16 P.M.

I have worked professionally. I don't now. That should indicate the way I feel about it. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it....

Matt Kernicky , December 17, 2003; 10:38 A.M.

I've been an amateur photographer for a while now, and very serious about it in the past two to three years. I've decided I want to make wedding photography my career, and am currently filling in what gaps I need to fill in order to do the job right under the direction of an experienced wedding photographer. I realise this will take some time, and as I am fortunate enough to have a financially secure career, I'm in no rush.

Technically, I'm more of a natural light guy, so working heavily with flash is going to be a big deal for me. I'm also working through a business plan, legal structure, learning some double entry accouting, etc. to get the business end going.

I know wedding photography suffers a much maligned reputation among many photographers, but in the geographic area I live, all other types of photography are fiercely competitive. Many experienced pros are retiring early. I know this because I have several professional photographer friends whom I trust who have a pretty good bead on the local market. More important, though, I like working with people a whole lot more than businesses, which makes the choice between doing weddings/portrait photography and doing advertising/corporate photography a no brainer.

I also know that wedding photography doesn't rank very high on the artistic expression scale, but I don't have any false expectations there. I do believe there needs to be an extremely high committment to CRAFSTMANSHIP, but craftsmanship and art are two different things. As I see it, craft is making a "successful" photograph as defined by someone else's expectations, while art is making a "successful" photograph as defined by your own expectations.

For those of you looking to get paid to make works of art, I can see why professional photography would dissapoint. But for those of us willing to accept that craftsmanship isn't such a bad thing, it might very well be an option. For my part, being a pro will afford me far more shooting opportunities than working a full time job somewhere else. Either way, I can still take the photos I want on the weekends. For those of you who stopped taking personal photos when you were a pro, was it because you simply didn't have the time to make personal photos, or was it because you became disillusioned that you stopped making them?

I read through a book on wedding photography by Steve Sint (a regular contributer at photo.net I believe). His introduction included a story about a cab driver who was taking him to an assignment. The cabby was also an aspiring photographer who in essence said he wouldn't lower himself to do weddings. Fact was, Steve was making his living as a photographer - something he loved - while the other guy was stuck driving a cab.

I, for one, don't want to be stuck driving a cab.

Vincent K. Tylor , December 13, 2004; 04:20 P.M.

Absolutely dead-on correct! I remember reading it when I first started posting on this site, and felt it was true then. Even more-so today. A must read for any aspiring professional.

Carlos Romero , December 23, 2004; 03:13 A.M.

I started since I was 17, at 19 I was teaching some techniques in a University ( I was the younger teacher in the campus ), then I started getting some money out or portraits. I agree with some of your comments, you have to enjoy it... I didn't like to work for money, since I couldn't say "no" when I didn't want to do a work. I took me 10 years to get my hobby back. You have to enjoy it, and it doesn't have to be compromised to anything, so you can say "NO" whenever you want.

Shawn Aloisio , December 30, 2004; 03:16 A.M.

My previous hobby was scuba diving and then I turned pro(became an instructor) it was the biggest mistake I could have made. Once I started earning money at it my whole perspective changed. Now photography is my hobby, and i'm happy to keep it that way. I can pick what I shoot , when and how. But on the other hand I could be a profesional photographer and go back to diving as a hobby *grin*

mike wilson , January 03, 2005; 06:06 P.M.

I found parts of this article to be extremely helpful in a very generalized sense, but the total lack of specifics means it's a very difficult article to use if you're seeking to turn your hobby into a career. For instance, he talks about many photographers not knowing what the market rates for photos in the area, but offers no help if you don't. He gives great "keep these things in mind" advice, but no "here's what your plan should be" advice. So as a very broad statement on what you need to keep in mind, it's a great article, as a plan for what you need to break into the market, I found this article too short on info.

Igor R , January 20, 2005; 04:08 P.M.

Thank you for the informative article. I'm an amateur photographer. While I have no intention of abandoning medical school to become a pro photographer, I wouldn't mind making some money with photography to pay for the rising costs of equipment. I think one significant difference between a pro and an amateur (a possible hurdle in turning pro overnight), is consistency. While an amateur is undoubtedly capable of phenomenal photos, only pros have the experience to understand the logistics of different projects and deliver consistently acceptable work. It's not the $4000 camera or the $1500 lenses. They simply undestand what customers want. Experience is not something to be taken lightly. Just my two cents, Igor

Joe Baker , May 30, 2005; 10:44 A.M.

PRO;how professional do you want to be, meaning do you want to earn your entire income from photography, this depends on your life style, if you like to live the high life; forget about it! i have been selling my photos since 1968, i know people who have been selling longer then me,it is very difficult to make large amounts of money selling artistic photos; but you can make money. last year i made sixty three hundred dollars(us)profit, above my cost; hears how i do it. i keep my coast down, and i try to sell low at hight volume, i sell at local venues, like flea markets and farmers markets and some art shows, all local, within my county, i also have a connection with two interior decorators one here in new york and my sister who has a bussiness in florida. i sell mostly landscapes, and other artistic nondiscriped images like flowers, i print them myself on my computer, use low coast ink cartiges, buy paper in bulk from kodack,and frames with mates whole sale, i sell my pictures priced from fifteen dollors for a five by seven to fifty dollars for a eleven by forteen, if i sell eight or more in a one day sales event, i feel i have done well, this is a suplement to my full time job with the us goverment.

Joe Baker , June 05, 2005; 10:37 P.M.

just to give you some insight from my experance, of artistic photos that sell; landscapes do well,flowers do OK, animals sell well, like puppies and kittens, and almost any babby animal, but picture of other peoples babbies don,t sell, and pictures of bugs you can,t give them away,snow and other cold climate photos are hard to sell, frames and mattes should be nutral colors,and a signiture and date helps sell. getting a local resturant to display and sell you work is good marketing, i now have two resturants that display my photos,also if you or your spouse works in an office getting your work on there walls can be a big seller, i work in a hospital and have sold photos to the hospital and also to many of the staff and doctors.

Kent Gibbs , October 14, 2005; 11:17 A.M.

I have been shooting as a hobby for more than 30 years. I have done some professional work and would like to do more. I believe some people can turn a hobby into a career without sacrificing the 'joy'.

I believe the key is to keep growing. I think too many photographers turn pro and then start to stagnate. They take the risk of starting the business, then quit taking risks to pay the bills. This is necessary to a point because of specialization and market demands, but the lack of growth leads to 'burn out' and that sucks the joy out of anything.

I seems to me that if a person is willing to expand into other areas of photography (not necessarily for money), not only will it help to stimulate creativity but will improve your work in your chosen specialty. I realize that time is always an issue but most people can find and hour or so a week if they really want to.

If you shoot commercial/product, shoot a wedding or portrait session now and then.

If you shoot portrait wedding/portrait, do some commericial work.

Pick a topic for a photo essay and spend a year or so shooting it. Or decide you are going to put together a 'coffee table' book and shoot 100-200 images. Even if you never publish the book, the act of shooting for it will stimulate your creativity.

And then there always doing some pro-bono work where there is little or no pressure.

Just my personal thoughts on the subject.

Esbjorn Bjarbo , August 14, 2006; 10:27 P.M.

Great article and some great answers! Just my 2 cents.. Don't you think that it depends on what line of photography you do as a pro vs what you like? Say, as a hobby, I like taking action photos but in my job I work weddings, I'm bound to maybe think of my job as just that...job. But if I have a job working for, lets say, a surfing magazine the passion might not fade? Not sure I make any sense but...

Matthew Grennell , September 10, 2006; 01:33 A.M.

The article and all info. shared has been so useful. Photography is a very meaningful hobbie for me. I have to admit that the idea of a loved hobbie becoming a successful career does seem to have a certain logic to it. I love the final paragraph in the article:

"The upside. Sometimes when I'm standing in a beautiful place, just looking and absorbing it after a successful hour behind the camera, I can't quite believe that someone is actually paying me to do this. There may be a lot of things I do that I could live without, but that feeling makes up for them."

I am at the stage where I am trying to figure out if learning to do photography as a career is really the great move it so often can seem.

I guess lifestyle and what makes you "tic" in general factors a great deal into it. My brother is an airline pilot and that life sounds crazy to me but he looked at me one day and said "Matt I get off flying planes!" I always wanted to be able to say something like that about my day job... I am trying to figure out if photography will be a lifestyle solution for me. I am a social worker right now (which is killing me) and I've got a 4 year degree in a double major of French Languange and International Studies.

Vich Larsen , January 17, 2007; 01:57 A.M.

How about semi-pro?

I've started doing weekend weddings and it's an absolute blast! My day-job as an IT Manager is pretty dull and lonely. They balance one another.

If I had to support myself with it - maybe that would be different.

james cyr , April 21, 2007; 05:02 A.M.

i am very happy with this article. i just started photogaphy and i learned alot from what you wrote. i think this will be a bosst in my career. thank you james cyr

Robert McNamara , August 05, 2007; 03:29 P.M.

In your article David, you said it's best to concentrate on the demand side. What's a good way to determine what the market is looking for? Do you you start off shooting everything, then narrow down your field as the market dictates?

Claudio Fernandez , October 16, 2007; 10:53 A.M.

I found the article "practical" but uninspired. In my opinion that's the trouble with focusing on business, you lose sight of the all-important motivational issues. That's not to say that the logistics involved in making a living should be disregarded, but they shouldn't be subordinated to what one is tryng to achieve. I feel that the person who made the distinction between craftmanship and art is really on to something: while I lean toward the crafmanship side of the equation, I struggle with this issue myself. I like the concept of craft because it imposes some objective criteria on quality, as opposed to the arbitrarily narcissitic notions of art that hold sway in the "fine art" establishment.

sam pyeatte , November 20, 2007; 07:01 P.M.

I think that this topic is one that every photo student must wrestle with. But it is more along the lines of not getting stuck doing something you hate to do, career wise. One of my instructors said that you'll do a better job if you like what you are doing, even if every job, including photography has some tasks, like running the business side that we might rather not do.

Oh yeah, there is this ebook floating around the net called "How to be a photo assistant". I bought it. It turned out to cover all the business aspects, or a least some of them, of being a photo assistant. So if you are looking for a comprehensive book or really it would have to be an encyclopedia, that covers everything you need to know to start assisting, I'm not sure if one exists. Though there are a couple on sale at Amazon that give you a pretty good idea about what is envolved. So be careful if someone promises you this book is what you need to assist, as these jobs, especially with the famous photographers are highly coveted and difficult to get. I'll think that I'll finish my photo degree, thank you.

Bernard Mills , January 14, 2008; 07:59 P.M.

I enjoyed reading this article, and the comments over the 5 years or so since the OP.

What would interest me would be a complementary article that went in-depth into the stock photography agencies and business.

Like many I am a beginner and amateur, with no ambitions to turn fully pro. However once I start producing a reasonable number of good images I would be interested in posting them through a stock agency - both to slightly offset my equipment cost and also just to 'test' the desireability of my work through the demand for it.

S Brown , February 21, 2008; 08:01 P.M.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. The picture you have described says, "Don't do it; don't turn pro because this is difficult, that is tough", and so on. Personally I see very little difference from being a professional photographer and doing/offering any other specialized services. When someone wants to become a pro-chef, or a lawyer, or a doctor, or a mechanic, he/she is driven by intrinsic purposes, inclanations, talents. In all professions people are dealing with fatique, rejections, feelings of under-appreciation,going through losses, etc. Have you seen a plaintiff's attorney (a good guy) losing at a trial because of the mistake in the court's ruling? Or what about a doctor who needs more patients and a town's population is 100 people? The list is endless. All pros need clients, revenues, growth, and being able to remain in competition with alike businesses in any field.

David Henderson , April 28, 2008; 08:12 A.M.

Just checking back here for the first time in a very long time, it seems to me that a fair proportion of those leaving comments have formed a view that the thesis of this article is to dissuade.

This was not my intent and frankly I don't think thats what the article says. The objective was to communicate that gripping these 5 things would markedly improve ones chances of success. I think that a strong motivation to become a professional photographer, or even the ability to make good photographs, are insufficient on their own to create even a moderate possibility of success. There are simply too many people who can do these things.


Add a comment