limited edition M6 TTL
richard allenby , Oct 25, 2003; 03:08 a.m.
I was luck enough last week to win a landscape photography
award in the arabic country of Qatar. The prize was no.3 of a
limited edition of 16 Leica M6s. It is standard silver M6 apart from
the orange-coloured leatherette and an inscription on the top
with the sponsoring sheikh's name and the year (anyone who
subscribes to national geo will have seen a photo of Sheikh
Saud Bin Mohammed Al Thani in the story on Qatar a few
months back) and the back of the camera has the inscription
'Qatar Photography competition' and the Sheikhs signature. It
comes with a 3/16 numbered, chrome summilux-m 1.4 50mm
lens. It is boxed in a burr-walnut presentation case and has all
the relevant certification.
It's a beautiful thing to behold, but probably more suited to a
collector than a user (except perhaps a poseur-user) and I'm
tempted to keep it just as an ornament, but I would like to find out
what it's value might be on the open market. Anyone know what
sort of value it might have, or where I might find out?
Thanks
Responses
Cameron Sawyer , Oct 25, 2003; 05:48 a.m.
Why in the world would you want to sell it? What a great memento of your contest victory. It should surely be worth more to you than it could ever bring as a commodity on the market. You should either keep it as an ornament, or use it.
I would use it, myself, with great pleasure. What a great prize. You got it free, after all, right? So you shouldn't care what a few scratches will do to its theoretical value.
richard allenby , Oct 25, 2003; 05:56 a.m.
I use and prefer contax G2 and it takes a wealthy man to be able
to keep a potentially multi-thousand dollar ornament around the
house. That said, I'm just trying to find out what it's worth so I can
make a decision.
Peter White , Oct 25, 2003; 07:59 a.m.
The only way to really know its value is to put it up for auction and see what it brings. Set a minimum of $20,000 and see what happens.
PJW
Al Kaplan - Miami, FL , Oct 25, 2003; 08:31 a.m.
I think Richard needs some idea of value for insurance reasons if he's to keep the thing on display. The insurance premiums alone might make it not worth having as a display piece. I sgree that you should just use it, dings and scratches be damned! It will always be just one of 16, and probably the only one really used. Enjoy it!
Kevin Mendenhall , Oct 25, 2003; 09:09 a.m.
The man said he wants to sell his camera; why not take him at his word?
Richard, you might want to contact a dealer who trades heavily in Leica and Leica collectibles. Pick up a back issue of Shutterbug and check out some of the ads. A regular M6TTL/Summilux 50 combo would sell used for $2200-$2500 in minty shape and yours is obviously worth some multiple of that figure.
Jay . , Oct 25, 2003; 09:31 a.m.
Richard, Leicas don't follow any logic. Logic would dictate that if a production of 1000 limited-edition Leicas with no more claim to fame than being the bastard child of an MBA in Leica marketing and one of the flamboyant couturiers at Hermes, can bring the suckers running with $8500 on fire in their pockets; then it should follow that your 1 of only 16 Leicas honoring a real accomplishment in photography should fetch several times as much. But yours being an M6TTL some people would find the rangefinder patch flares and the rewind crank is too easy to get bent, or perhaps an orange fell on their head when they were little and now they get a nervous tick whenever they see the color. So you've really got only two choices: either auction it yourself on e-Bay, and I'd put a minimum bid or a reserve (whichever will be cheaper according to eBay's fees) of $1000 more than street price for a stock model. Or, have it auctioned for you by Christie's or Sotheby's or some other auction house that attracts collectors of Leicas.
Sanford Gerald
, Oct 25, 2003; 10:42 a.m.
Could you post the winning photo?
Francisco Solares-Larrave , Oct 25, 2003; 02:50 p.m.
I don't know what to say, Richard. Like you, I use a Contax electronic G camera, but the magic of manual focus...
I'd use it, Richard, or show it around before selling it. It won't be difficult for you to find someone interested on it. If I only had the funds...
Now, how did you find out about the contest? Can you post the winning photo? Thanks!
Ruediger Merz
, Oct 25, 2003; 02:55 p.m.
Hi Richard,
I read about Sheikh Saud Bin Mohammed Al Thani. There was an article about him
and his Titanium M7 in the German Edtion LFI 09/2003. He orderd a M7 with 5 lenses
completely made from Titanium. Not a Titanium layer. It's pure Titanium. There is not
even leather on it. Leica needed a year and 12-16 employes for this project.
Andy Piper , Oct 25, 2003; 03:25 p.m.
Well, more common Leica "Ein Stücke" (sp?) and "Hermes" cameras go for prices 2-4 times as much as the 'stock' models.
I can't even begin to guess where a 1-of-16 like this would end up. I suspect not less than $7000 US and probably not more than $12,000 US if you link up with the right buyer - but only the marketplace (via an auction) can really tell you.
You might talk to Sotheby's or (I forget the name of the other big 'fine-art' auction house - Christie's?). They do collectible-Leica auctions fairly often and can probably give you an educated guess based on their previous sales.
Mark J. , Oct 25, 2003; 04:42 p.m.
I reread Richard's post several times. He did not say he wants to sell the camera. He alluded to this, but did not state it. One can say to keep, if money is no object, but that is for each to decide. Offer it here and accept offers, or put it on the infamous auction site and see what it garners.
Along with others, I would like to see the winning photo.
What did you shoot the winning photo with?
Cheers.
Ruediger Merz
, Oct 25, 2003; 06:05 p.m.
Andy, it is "Ein Stück", anyway. But especially this model sells for less than a used
stock model. Some dealer want to give me $800-$1300 for it. I will not imagine how
much the 'Hermes' will be worth, later. The M6J, on the other hand, is running for
$6000-$7000. They created 1640 cameras, in comparison to 996 of "Ein Stück".
This whole collector stuff is just crazy. Especially with Leica.;)
Cham Saranasuriya , Oct 25, 2003; 08:16 p.m.
Hi Richard,
I would definitely keep it. You will get a better value later anyway.
Please post the photo when you get a chance!!!
Henry Ting , Oct 25, 2003; 11:53 p.m.
Richard,
If I were you, I'll definitely keep it for the reasons that not too many things in life is a representation of "pride & joy" of owning something that firstly is unique and secondly is awarded to you and you alone. As much as I envy you in winning such a camera, there are things I like to own that money cannot buy even if you have it. I've bought a lot of things in my life, but those that I really want to possess just cannot be bought. Besides you will regret it for the rest of your life if you sold it.
Having said all that, if and when you still decide to sell it, drop me a line.
richard allenby , Oct 26, 2003; 01:52 a.m.
Many thanks, everybody, for your advice and opinions. I guess I
owe it to you all to display the winning picture, although now that
I'm getting a true idea of the value of the prize, I'm feeling highly
embarrassed about the humble photograph that won! The
competition was for landscape photographs of the Arabian Gulf
region (GCC countries) And mine was one of a series of shots I
took a couple of years ago in the UAE and Oman, on my Toyo
VX5x4 which is my main landscape and professional tool. I
expect the shot did well as it had Islamic context, and also it
avoided the usual cliches of sand dunes and blue seas. The
Hajar mountains are a difficult subject as the are normally veiled
in a gruesome haze, and a clear day with nice clouds is rarer
than the proverbial rocking horse ****.
Incidentally, I have now had an offer from a Leica museum of
10,000USD, but the jury is still out....!
Henry Ting , Oct 26, 2003; 02:18 a.m.
" I'm feeling highly embarrassed about the humble photograph that won!"
Richard, few people have that kind of attitude in our world, and fewer yet for not touting it. Again, there are things in this world money can't buy -- its not about a mere camera.
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