Espresso maker versus leica

Again

And you fondle it too!

Sorry AZ but not sure i understood.Fondle when i look for translation mean for me that i will fondle my wife not my coffee maker neither my leica.Please someone tell me if i understood or fondler have a other meanning.

Those don't make particularly good espresso. You'd be much better off getting a Rancilio Silvia and making really good espresso. However, you will need a good grinder, such as the Rancilio Rocky, and great fresh-roasted beans.

Pierre,

As you see from the definition below (Random House Websters New World Dictionary) one can fondle things other than a person.

fon·dle (fonÆdl), v., -dled, -dling. —v.t. 1. to handle or touch lovingly, affectionately, or tenderly; caress: to fondle a precious object; to fondle a child. 2. Obs. to treat with fond indulgence. —v.i. 3. to show fondness, as by manner, words, or caresses. [1685–95; fond (v.) (deriv. of FOND1) + -LE]

—fonÆdler, n. —fonÆdling·ly, adv.

—Syn. 1. cuddle, snuggle, pet, pat, stroke.

Cheers,

Joe

Sorry, not enough bells and whistles, not to mention the lack of digital readouts.

THIS is an espresso machine. Reduced to $2.1K for the holidays.

The "fully automatic" machines like the one above are capable of making decent espresso, better than can be made with the maker Pierre shows in his photo. However, they are designed for use in specific environments (like an office) that need to be able to produce consistent espresso with minimal knowledge. It's really pretty good coffee. But nothing like what can be produced with the machine I referenced or similar types of "prosumer" espresso machines.

Jeff I agree .Better coffee with the one you show i know i have one of this kind at home with the grinder too.This giannina maker were compare to a ferrari .I prefer compare to a leica. it 's making a very good espresso coffee .Don't forget Italien people still make there coffee at house with that kind of coffee make.Anyway this coffee maker will be give to my child then they will do the same with there child. Thank's Joe for the english lesson

now if this doesn't get deleted I don't know what qualifies...

Jeff When i read the second wrote i notice that you spend a lot of time in the espresso world. I am happy that we both like good coffee .I know that is not the right place to take about coffee but it is fun.

When will there be a digital espresso machine? Is there a black paint version? Most importantly, can I grind the beans with a Abrahamsson Rapidwinder.

Is this another Leica vs. digital debate?

Jake I am selling those for 5 years now and i comfirm that you can use your Abrahamsson Rapidwinder to grind the beans.

Hi, Gang! Since we're off topic anyway, what's your favorite model of the ever popular George Forman Grille? ;-))

Pierre, in New York, "Emmanuelle" is known as a "mocha pot", and makes my favorite coffee. I use my Bialetti every morning and take it on road trips across the U.S., making espresso by the side of the road with a camp stove. This is very important when you are in the middle of the desert and the nearest decent coffee is 1,000 miles away! Machines with circuit boards and chips are for little boys--give me a nice Gaggia, manually actuated. Your metaphor with Leica is perfect. Cheers.

Oh Andrew, that's so idealistic of you to say.

But I have given up on editing anything other than threads with naughty words or insults in them.

I'd rather use the time I save to practice my Jai Alai technique. With a little more work, I think I can try out for my local team. The Snohomish Jai-Way Men (they're sponsored by an asphalt company).

So enjoy, enjoy. There's plenty of space to talk about stroking coffee makers here on the "Leica etc." forum.

Pierre -

BEFORE JOSH DELETES...

Hang out here.

Patrick Emmanuelle is my daughter i safe to fast.But thank's to say that metaphor with Leica is perfect.Thank's a lot because i realy thing that just need to incorporate meter and it is just like my m6.Thank's Jake your make me the giggles .

Taste is only one aspect.

I'd like to know which machine produces the best bouquet...

HAhahaha, That rules Jeff! My girlfriend will love it.

Coffeegeek! Go team!

Does it come in black or titanium?

Wow, Josh! If I were on a Jai Alai Team sponsored by an Asphalt company, I would insist on the team being named the "Ass Faults". Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the Forumites!! Billy

Patrick, I like your style! Our Swiss-made Solis makes perfect crema and foam, but I still like my screw-together hourglass Italian stove-top model for a cup of, as we say in NY, coffee regular.

When I was in college, I dated a woman who could make the best coffee in a tin can, heated on top of the gas range. She had an 'alternative process' for flicking some cold tap water off her fingers that sent the grounds to the bottom of the can. She would then decant the brew with nary a single ground ending up in the cup!

We spent many fine nights drinking this splendid, boiled coffee reading M.F.K Fischer aloud. We didn't need to fondle any yuppie, chrome, coffee fetish machine! A good craftsman never complains about his/her tools.

There's a huge difference between making brewed coffee and making espresso. That you don't know the difference indicates that tools or no tools, you won't make a good cup of espresso.

If you guys come to Bangkok, there's a shop in Silom Galleria Mall that sells Leica + other new & antique camera. They also had a complete espresso bar in the shop as well. Good combination.

I'm also glad to report that my blackpaint starbuck espresso machine is not yet showing any brass after 2 years of heavy use.

Like many of you I certainly love a nice, proper cup of coffee. Whether from an espresso machine or a drip filter or a plunger ('French Press' in USA?) a nice cup of coffee is always appreciated.

What I can't stand is that on one of the streets where I work (if anyone here is from Melbourne, I'm talking about Smith St.), of all the places I've been able to try, there's only one cafe (Gluttony) that makes proper espresso style coffee. And that's when the right staff are manning the espresso machine. At least in other areas there's more quality control.

In Italy you can't get a bad cup of coffee I'm told. I think because nobody will sell you an espresso machine unless you're properly trained. Then you get a licence. No stuffing around.

When I pay AUS$2.50 for coffee it better bloody be good every damn time. But it isn't. It's a hopeless cause. (Let's get things in perspective: some people in this world can't afford bread and water. Be grateful for what we are given.)

In our house we rarely have a jar of instant coffee; maybe sometimes for guests who don't care. I wouldn't touch that cack with a sixty-foot pole though. Heaven forbid you spend five minutes making good coffee which no doubt is healthier than instant crud.

And don't you just love it when people say 'eXpresso'? Like 'eKcetera'? Funny old world.

Coffee sucks. Coke rules!!!

But Pierre, sacre bleu! Didn't you also buy one of the expresso machines for the mistress?? After all, you are French! (:>)))

The consumption of excessive amounts of espreesso negates the advantage of the lack of mirror slap which so many on this forum swear is one major benifit of using the "M". :)

Kenneth's description makes me wonder if his girlfriend was Greek. Elliniko cafe is simple: You heat fine grounds with water in the vriki, an enameled metal pot, over the stove. It takes a bit of skill to get it right, though. (Maybe the coffee equivalent of a screwmount Leica?) In Greece you can order it sketo, metrio or glyko depending on how much sugar you want. You can flip your cup over when you're done and have your fortune read in the grounds, if you like.

The Turks make it basically the same way, but usually drink it sweet. There's a Turkish saying that the only way coffee should be served is Black as Night, Sweet as Love, Strong as Death.

you just don't make espresso with your coffee grinds. to get a good cup, you must start off by roasting the raw green bean. then within 24-36 hours, the beans must be ground and consumed. after that, you lose most of the oils which is what makes a coffee. until you've had a 'fresh' cup, you ain't had nuthin'.

Albert I don't give any coffee maker to my mistress. I do my best to make the espresso for her that she will never forget.Also do to all people who enjoy it.Don't forget that the most important is the beans.So the person who roasting it must be very specialise.It is just the same as a good cook.Also must be very good to buy the beans because it is jungle there.Improvisation is a desaster sometime. I saw this coffee maker for 125$ at Dean&Deluca in New York.Ask me if you want a better price . Have fun Pierre

Only if you skimp on your nicotine and alcohol consumption.

Jeff...the Rancillio you mention is kind of the Canon 1d of espresso makers ;-) To get the true Leica feeling you need one of the older style lever espresso machines. I purchased my used Rancillio about 5 years ago...don't think they even make them anymore in a home-size model. But man...pulling that lever slowly down to draw a shot of espresso is everybit as tactile as squeezing off a shot on an M6

Sorry Frank....some of us have interests that stretch beyond cameras. If you found it so boring you could have stopped reading after the first couple of responses...couldn't you?

I'm going to quickly try and take my foot out of my mouth...upon rereading Franks post it doesn't read as a complaint...just a comment on the number of responses...maybe I should have quit after the first 4 espressos this morning...SORRY.

"...pulling that lever slowly down...", here comes the penis thing again.

Frank, I'd have put it up, but my annual computer crash wiped out a picture of my son in law with a turkey he got at the Cornfield Market.

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Bob, I used a lever pull for ten years. However, a) you can't make two espressos in a row as it doesn't have a three-way valve to allow removing the portafilter while it's hot, b) the tanks are way too small for people who make a lot of espresson, c) the boiler isn't capable of allowing for the production of true microfoam, which is necessary for good cappucino, which I don't drink (none of that milk and sugar for me), but others around me do. When mine needed an overhaul, I decided to get a machine better suited to a severe caffeine addiction.

well....here i go too. nothing relates more to my M3 ,espresso maker-wise,as my "la pavoni euro piccola" ( chrome,of course...). i only use illy espresso grind coffee,and it took me a while to perfect my technique to get good crema every time. the machine likes the coffee to be compacted very tightly in order to work properly,but there is nothing like a good espresso when i wake up ( around 0930-1000 ) every morning.

There's a huge difference between making brewed coffee and making espresso. That you don't know the difference indicates that tools or no tools, you won't make a good cup of espresso.

Wow! You never miss a chance to offend. I didnt' say she made espresso; I said she made great boiled coffee that I liked. And, she did it with minimal tools. You assume I'm a dolt and don't know the difference. Weird.

Kevin M. Yes, her mother was half Greek, or something like that. I had a glass pot that I used for filtered coffee which I broke while washing it. I admired the way she simply took a tomato can and made a nice brew. Things were so much simpler then.

This is the same reason I'm plugging along with my Pentax and cheap lens: I have so much to learn, I can't believe my pictures will get any better if I spend a bunch of money on gear. I've enjoyed all the coffee talk, and the links to the various makers of gear is interesting. For the life of me, I can't figure out how this disolved into insults???

Peter, I live in the wilderness, relatively speaking, so if I want something as simple as baklava I have to make it myself. I have some Greek friends who do a traditional Easter every year, and next year I'm making the drive to visit. Nothing like a whole lamb slow cooked outdoors. I never did develop a taste for the kokoretsi though!

mmmm...i did my first greek easter this year. we did a pig for late lunch and then started roasting the next one in time for a late (9pm) dinner. than and a couple cases of uzo and wine, and you're set.

ahhh..

...don't forget to eat the eye...ewww

For the life of me, I can't figure out how this disolved into insults???

Simple. Espresso fanatics, like Leica fanatics, are snobs.

I've lived in Italy for 13 years now and I've tried a lot of coffee makers, cheap and expensive. IMO - and this is the consensus among Italians - the simple traditional Bialetti is still the best.

I never did the fast, Peter, but I did get my candle home from midnight mass with the flame still lit! Christos anesti; Alithos anesti!

Is that espresso maker light tight? If you could soup Tri-X in it, this might be a legit string.