which Hassey1000f lenses for Kiev88 OK?

Yoshimasa San,

I have the Kiev 88 fisheye. The pin for the diaphram actuator is parallel to the lens axis, and somewhat unique. I don't have a 1000F, but I'm told that its lenses have a pin that is more conventional, i.e. actuated about the lens axis.

Also, I believe that one lens will fit on the other, but without auto-aperture. Again, I'm giving second hand info here. I'm certain the the register (flange) distance is the same.

Jim Bausch

Excuse my ignorance, but can i use a Kiev fish eye lense with my hassy 503? If not, how much does a body and fish eye go for? I figure it must be much less than just a new zeiss fish eye alon, right? Where does one buy Kiev gear, new/used?

Well, I have found the answer myself. Kiev88 is the successor to Kiev80, which in turn was the successor to Salyut-S. The difference between these models concerns small parts only. But the difference between Salyut-S and Salyut is serious enough in that the bayonetes are not compatible. I am not sure if the bayonet of Salyut was compatible with the early Hassel, but it seems to me very unlikely as Soviets often claimed they copied a camera of Nazi era(Prima?). At least the production of Salyut began when factory equipments were transported to Kiev (or rather to a town called Uman') from East Germany. I don't think Soviet ever made efforts to reverse engineer a Hassel. They simply could not possibly do that.

Tsuji

There is one primary difference between the Salyut S and Kiev88. The latter uses a plunger which actuates a plate which actuates the diaphram pin. The former uses the direct plunger to actuate the pin. The problem therefore is that the Salyut should have lenses mounted with mirror UP as otherwise you are jamming the lenses on and will knock the plunger out of alignment eventually. An alternative is to open Kiev lenses up to max aperture and depress pin when mounting with mirror down.

On the Kiev88, the plate takes care of the problem . When the lens is mounted, the pin travels along the plate and the lens aperture opens up, allow for open-aperture focusing.

I would like to hear about what the Hassy 1000 and 1600F are like.

Tsuji said: Thank you very much for your kind explanation.

I have seen a Hassey 1000f for sale, but didn't touch it as the price tag was intimidating.

I saw Saljut S recently: the difference from Kiev88 was twofold. The standard lens was 90mm, and instead of an accessory shoe, it allows two kinds of flash. I have also seen an old Industar lens for Saljut, which had a strange mechanism for controlling the automatic aperture. Perhaps you are talking about it. At any event the lens was in no way compatible with Kiev88. As Saljut is said to be a dead copy of Hassey 1000F, Kiev lenses cannot be used with Hassey 1000F.

Cheers, Tsuji

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The 90mm lens you refer to is the Vega 90/2.8. It is most likely monocoated and has bronze (gold!) aperture blades. I am not sure of flare control ability, but in common shooting conditions the lens is sharp. It is unlike to be an Industar lens, which was made for the Salyut (Pre Salyut-S, also known as Salyut C, Saliut C etc.).

Other differences b/n Salyut S and Kiev 88 include:

Hotshoe (not accesory shoe) microprism focus

... the Salyut S I had was smoother operating than the Kiev, but otherwise seemed similar enough. The internal flocking was matt black, unlike the Kievs made b/n 1980 and 1995 which had some poorer quality flocking which caused flare.

Perhaps the Salyut was a copy of the Hassy 1000, but the Salyut S/Kiev88 are copies of the later Hassy 1600F. But maybe the backs attachment mech. of the Kiev follows the older Salyut style, which would account for why some people say that Hassy 1000 backs fit but not Hassy 1600F backs.

Have you seen the prices of Salyut S in Japan ? They're like US$700 ... like *wow*.