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Best Panoramic Camera 6x17

Snowy Smith , Aug 10, 2003; 10:15 p.m.

BEST PANORAMIC 6x17 CAMERA. I am very seriously considering buying a panoramic 6x17 Camera new, the latest model. The latest models of both the Fuji and Linhof have improved greatly. I want to use the camera for Outdoor Landscape Photography. I am considering buying the 90mm and the 180mm lenses. Kindly give your views on which is the best camera and lenses? Also is it necessary to use the centre filter on the 90mm lenses. Any tips will be appreciated. Many Thanks From Snowy Smith South Africa <faircivillaw@absamail.co.za>

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Ellis Vener , Aug 10, 2003; 10:48 p.m.

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Of the rangefinder type cameras the Linhof Technorama III with be the best. And yes you will need the center weighted filter on the 90mm lens.

Better , or at least a bit more versatile, is the Canham MQC camera combined with the Canham 6x17cm roll film holder. You can use any large format lens -- from 72mm to at least the 720mm T-Nikkor --that covers the format, do macro work with it, and have full front movements like shift , rise/fall tilt and swing, and shift and swing movements on the rear standard as well. You can also shoot 5x7 and with the adapter back 4x5 (9cm x 12cm) film as well. No accessory bellows or extension rails are needed and it is designed for field work. it is a view camera so you focus using the groundglass. More details are at http://www.canhamcameras.com rel="nofollow"> http:// www.canhamcameras.com.

Jim Chow , Aug 10, 2003; 10:56 p.m.

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If money were no object, I'd get the Linhof 617sIII since I think the schneider lenses are second to none (I use the Fuji w/ 105/8 lens). But regardless of the system, the achilles heel of 6x17's is you don't have a ground glass to focus on. The Fuji 617 has an optional GG..I've seen it, so at least it's available. I don't think Linhof offers one. And even if you have a GG, you can only use it before loading a fresh roll. Also, there is no tilt. Art Pan does make a 6x17 back that fits on a 4x5. The film plane is a few inches behind the 4x5 film plane, and the lenses are limited from 80-180mm or something like that, but you get movements, and can shoot both 6x17 and 6x12. I've yet to see this back offered outside of Japan (I know RW doesn't have it). Nowdays, if I know my focusing will be at infinity, i'll bring the pan. Otherwise, the 4x5 is more versatile, but takes time...I guess one small advantage of the Fuji 105mm over the schneider 90mm is the center ND filter is only 1 stop vs . 2 stop for the Schneider IVa filter. So for shots when it's windy, that extra stop might make a critical difference. The Fuji 105 lens is sharp, but flare prone if any sunlight whatsoever directly strikes the filter.For this reason, I try to avoid shooting shots directly into the sun. OTOH, I can do this w/ my 4x5 and schneider glass (don't have to use the ND filter w/ the 90XL for mild movements)

Christopher Condit , Aug 11, 2003; 12:56 a.m.

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I rented a Technorama a while back, and it came with a thing made of special cloth and two spools, that you put in the camera with the back off, and you could focus on. I didn't bother with it and focussed just fine by guess. Besides, nearly all my pan shots are at infinity. It would be handy for precision framing, though.

With only 4 shots a roll, it isn't the end of the world that you can only use the focus back between rolls.

Though everything that Ellis says is true, I wouldn't recommend an LF camera to someone with no inclination in that direction.

CXC

Scott Walton , Aug 11, 2003; 08:45 a.m.

On a recent trip I rented the Fuji GX617 with a 90mm lens and loved it. The ONLY downfall I found was that the focus was in meters but it was good shooting @ F16, and 22. The 90mm was a perfect lens for this format and you really need the $300+ center field filter for the 90mm and the 105!!!

Bob Salomon , Aug 11, 2003; 09:20 a.m.

"If money were no object, I'd get the Linhof 617sIII since I think the schneider lenses are second to none (I use the Fuji w/ 105/8 lens). But regardless of the system, the achilles heel of 6x17's is you don't have a ground glass to focus on."

First we are offering a special to our dealers that makes their cost for the Linhof Technorama 617S III with lens and finder several hundred dollars less then the Fuji. And the cameras are in stock for immediate delivery to a dealer.

Secondly it is very easy to lock the T617 shutter open with a locking cable release and hold a groundglass or even wax paper or vellum to the film plane to focus. However neither Linhof nor Fuji have a darkslide in the camera so you can only focus at the film plane when the camera is not loaded. The focusing by scale is very easy, especially with the 72 or 90mm lenses.

Eric Friedemann , Aug 11, 2003; 10:40 a.m.

A customer of mine shoots 6x9 and wider nature images. He has some excellent coffee table books and sells some huge prints.

Three years back, he went with the Linhof and has been very satisfied. He found the Linhof to be extremely well-constructed and found that the optics were uniformly excellent.

Danny Burk , Aug 11, 2003; 02:38 p.m.

I have a Linhof 617SIII with 90mm and 180mm lenses, and a Fuji GX617 with 300mm lens...so I have a perspective with using both models frequently. The short answer is that you'll be pleased with either one, but you can read my full-page review at www.dannyburk.com; just go to "reviews" and then to the proper page.

Regards, Danny

Jozef Hamorsky , Aug 12, 2003; 07:41 a.m.

What about Dr. Gilde? (www.gilde-kamera.de) It has tilt & shift and variable formats from 6x6 up to 6x23.

Michael Thorne , Aug 13, 2003; 12:24 a.m.

<b>I have a very low cost solution that works for me... I cut away a darkslide to leave 1/2 of the 4x5 film area only exposed. I remove the full slide and place this masking slide into the camera and shoot. I have a rotating back which is nice as I can then simply rotate 180 degrees (otherwise one would have to recompose)and make another exposure if necessary by masking the other side of the film. It takes a bit of getting used to but I've had fine results with it and the usable area is 4.25mm x 11.7mm which is roughly 6.2 x 17 proportion. Think of the cost savings and the nice 110 Super Symmar you could buy and dispense with the centre filtre...

I know this isn't a solution for everyone but it does allow you to try out the 6 x 17 proportion for about $20 tops..</b>


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