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Plaubel Makina 67/670 as a "street" camera

alkos . , Aug 31, 2006; 05:26 p.m.

I've been shooting for ~2 years with manual Pentax 35mm gear, and eventually I've decided to switch to 6x4.5 / 6x7 medium format rangefinder camera.

I'm willing to spend about 1000euro for used one, so the three most serious candidates are Mamiya 7II with 80/4, Bronica 645 with 65/4 and Plaubel Makina 67/670 with 80/2.8. (If style matters in this decision - look at http://pad.go.pl for some examples ;-)

The 3rd one is most appealing - it has larger format than bronica , is smaller than mamiya and - last but not least - has faster lens than both, with veeery pleasing bokeh :-)

Now, the questions :-)

1. How rangefinder compares to Mamiya 7II's / Leica 4MP's? I've handled these for couple of times and had very positive experience - only the mamiya's patch seemed a bit too small. What about ease of focusing with "thumb wheel"? Is the base long enough for 80/2.8 in close focus?

2. How about "rugedness" of the camera with lens open? Can it be carried in hand in daily use (hoping for no serious hits ;-) ?

3. How about shutter loudness? Comparing to Mamiya 7II?

4. What is the functional difference between 67 and 670 models, except tht the latter is a bit ugly? ;-)

Thanx in advance :-)

cheers

alkos

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Mark L , Aug 31, 2006; 05:48 p.m.

I can't really answer your questions but I recently got a mamiya 7 and have been using on the street with good success. You are right about the rangfinder patch. 10 shots on a roll is a bit limiting and I wish 220 was still easy to get hold of. Carrying it around is no problem really but it is heavier than my nikon fm. I often use it zone focused with tri-x shot at 1250 dev'd in diafine.

The lenses are apparently better on the mamiya 7 than the Plaubel Makina.

John Painter , Aug 31, 2006; 06:06 p.m.

The Optics on the Makina are EXCELLENT. The Focusing patch on the Makina is much more Leica-like than the Mamiya.

The shutter isn't as quiet as a Leica.

The controls take a bit of getting used to. You have to reset the Lens to Infinity before you collapse the body. Batteries last a long time.

The camera is very rugged but you do run the risk of damaging the bellows.

alkos . , Aug 31, 2006; 06:14 p.m.

Thank you!

Can you post some photos from Plaubel, possibly wide open and close focused, in "high-res"?

Ben Pater , Aug 31, 2006; 06:15 p.m.

I have both camera's. The Mamiya 7 with 65mm is the most used one. The Makina 67 I use just for the 2.8 Nikon lens, which has a very pleasant bokeh. The Mamiya 7 is easier to use.

Ben

alkos . , Aug 31, 2006; 06:21 p.m.

Ben - "The Mamiya 7 is easier to use"

What do you mean? The most important factor for me is focusing and RF clarity/quality - speed and aperture setting much, much less :-)

Helen Bach , Aug 31, 2006; 07:46 p.m.

I also have a Makina 67 and a Mamiya 7ii. I find the Makina shutter noise to be more meaty than that of the Mamiya, but there's not a lot in it.

The 670 takes 220 as well as 120, and it has a better back lock. The back lock isn't really an issue, because if you thnink that the back of the 67 is too easy to open accidentally the catch can be covered with a short piece of electrician's tape.

I really like using the Makinas - I have the W67 as well - but repairs can be expensive, if the parts are available.

Best, Helen

John Painter , Aug 31, 2006; 09:56 p.m.

I only have one Makina shot scanned but it is Wide Open at close range.


Makina 67 wide open @ 1/15

.[. Z , Aug 31, 2006; 11:05 p.m.

I found the PM I had to be relatively dainty and easy to fall out of alignment, but I may have had a bad camera.

Helen Bach , Aug 31, 2006; 11:16 p.m.

I can believe it. I've had the opposite - my Mamiya 7 rangefinder is flaky, but at least it is easy to check and eay to adjust. Just goes to show, huh?

While we are on the subject of problems: The bellows on the Makina is actually the least of your worries. They are easy and cheap to replace, and the replacement may be better than the original.

Best, Helen


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