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Do pros still use these?

Brandon Andreadakis , Jun 25, 2009; 12:28 a.m.

Hello,
I have recently returned to shooting 35mm film as I enjoy black and white fine art photography nowadays. After doing some reading, I learned that medium format is much better for sharpness of enlargements and am interested in getting a medium format camera. I know that Hasselblad used to be the "gold standard" for photography and am wondering if this is still the case. I must admit there seems to be something really elegant about seeing someone shooting a Hasselblad. Also, their cameras seem to hold their value well (on eBay, etc...) but I can't find any information saying if pros still use them or not. Theoretically, I would think that a nice Hasselblad with a digital back would be better than any 35mm SLR on the market, right? Am I thinking behind the times? I came across a pro photographer's youtube video where he said that his Hasselblad has not been shot in years and that he uses a Nikon SLR. Is it possible to get better quality prints with a digital 35mm SLR nowadays? I really don't want to spend $6,000 on a Hasselblad if I am simply joining an obscure group of traditionalists, the image quality really isn't any better, and I will have to carry around a very basic "box". I guess what I am asking is this: by buying a Hasselblad am I just joining a dying breed? Do pro fine art photographers still shoot film? What about medium format? If you had to choose the best system for fine art b/w photography what would it be (Digital? Film? 35mm? Medium Format? Hasselblad? Nikon?)

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Edward Ingold , Jun 25, 2009; 12:57 a.m.

Let's see. Will a negative 5x as large as 35mm produce an image with less grain and better tonality? Is film better today than, say, 40 years ago? What characteristics are considered "best"?

A larger negative will generally hold more detail than a smaller one. However an 8x10" camera (or even a medium format camera) can't compete with a 35mm (or digital) camera for the needs of most journalists. A Jeep runs better than a Ferrari across parking lot dividers or slickrock trails.

For high-quality landscapes, closeups and architecture, an Hasselblad represents a good compromise between image quality and portability. A 6x7 SLR is still reasonably portable and a 6x7 rangefinder very portable (but less versatile than an SLR). However, small-format cameras have a much wider range of lenses and are very portable (and cost about 1/3rd as much to operate).

Andy L , Jun 25, 2009; 01:04 a.m.

Depends what the pros are doing. The ones doing fine art B&W are - look at what's showing up in publications and galleries. Most pros aren't spending most of their time doing fine art shooting, and a DSLR is great for sports, weddings, PJ, etc.

With careful raw processing you can get good results doing B&W from a DSLR, but there are some characteristics inherent to the larger film that you can't duplicate, like the shallow DOF you can get because your focal length is longer, and the larger the film the larger the print you can do without losing sharpness. With a good scanner or a real enlarger you can get a huge amount of detail out of a 120 frame.

Does it have to be a 'Blad? There are a ton of very nice Mamiya, Pentax, etc., cameras out there that are almost as good at a much lower price. Then all you need is some B&W film and a 120 spool for your universal tank. You do have a universal tank, yes? :)

John O'Keefe-Odom , Jun 25, 2009; 01:35 a.m.

A Hasselblad with a digital back would be more than good enough to meet any commercial needs. The DSLRs, at the higher end of pricing, will be called for in some commercial situations. Alamy, the stock agency, for instance, specifies that they only want images from certain types of camera models, and will not accept scanned films.

That said, for fine art work, I would imagine you could use any tools you want. I was blessed with securing a generous grant contract some time ago; all of the work that secured that contract was shot with a Pentax 645 and a Pentax K1000. I recently saw a museum exhibit done with a Holga. Half of that was shot in HP5+.

On the viewer's side of things, I believe the final image appearance is part of what drives their decision. Film does carry a certain weight with some viewers and purchasers. Larger companies that buy images will be inclined to top-end, latest equipment in digital. In face to face dealings with people, they ask about film; I see that they want mastery. If you've mastered film to a reasonable degree, that's a point in your favor.

Sometimes people will be inclined to be interested in film photography because it has more of an aura of finality about it. Yet, what I think the viewers who inquire are looking for is skill. Skill demonstrated in terms that they understand. Skill in terms that you can explain to them; and, often, purchasing decisions about what camera or media it was, those won't go over too well. It won't be about: I bought this camera, therefore, I made that picture. Instead, their questions will be more about, What can you do? What are you doing? How did you do this?

Like for the project contract, I noted what was used for what image, but I was never really asked directly "What camera?" I was asked about process; I had to answer other questions about other processes; I felt, overall, people want to know that they're making an investment in a person who is pretty much stable and proficient in what they are doing. They want to know the object is well made, durable, has some reasonable value to its structure.

So, for the camera choice in the arts applications, I would say, ground your investment in media that you have used successfully in the past. Continue to grow your tools and skills. When I purchased equipment over the past year, the purchases were mostly (I'd say at 80%) on film equipment and related supplies. However, in there, I also purchased a DSLR. At the time, I felt pushed and pressured and didn't like it. The people who cared about me basically told me that I was over-specializing, and that I needed to get at least some of the newer technologies, so I did. Months later, even though I use the DSLR infrequently, it is still helping me to communicate.

For example, there's an instructional aspect to my project; by including some DSLR based examples, I will be able to show people more how some of my project ideas can apply to what they may have on hand. In that respect, I was kind of able to turn the situation around. Once things were more exploratory and constructive, that's when I got more interested.

So, there are many ways this can play out. What's going to happen is that whatever it is, you will have to use it; use it a good deal; carry the projects through to completion, to those viewers. And, you're going to have to pick what you are going to use to get you there.

Few people ask what paintbrush a master painter used. With cameras, it's a little bit different; but, I think it's fair to say that you are going to encounter a fair number, probably a majority, of viewers who will not know and will not care what brand of camera that photo was made with. They'll want to know it was made well, but I doubt they'll be picky about the nameplate.

John O'Keefe-Odom , Jun 25, 2009; 01:53 a.m.

I kind of feel that was a wishy-washy answer about the tools; but, comparatively, it seems like any one of the CanNikons is, by itself, putting out as many kinds of camera models as they entire market seemed to have in it 30 years ago. The market is just flooded with a massive number of good tool choices. So, in there, part of it becomes, You just have to pick.

Claus Asp , Jun 25, 2009; 02:39 a.m.

The answer depends also on where you want to spend your time. With a Hasselblad, which I use, I enjoy photography a lot, having control of almost everything, but spending a lot of time on processing, scanning, retouching and adjusting colour-balances etc. With a digital SLR, like Canon EOS D5 or up, it is so easy and fast to get the shots out to prints or costumers. And much easier to control colours from the moment of exposure. Below you have at shot made with Hasselblad, scanned (Imacon) and lots of adjustments afterwards, since the light was a mixture of daylight, flourescents and halogen.
Best regards and good luck


Rundetaarn, Copenhagen

Ed P , Jun 25, 2009; 04:40 a.m.

John O'Keefe-Odom wrote:

"Alamy, the stock agency, for instance, specifies that they only want images from certain types of camera models, and will not accept scanned films."

For the record, Alamy most definitely does accept scanned films.

Paul Gardener , Jun 25, 2009; 04:49 a.m.

In many cases the decision professional photographers made which digital system they were going to use was not based on IQ but on economics.
MF digital demands a large amount of money. That sum needs to be earned back in a much shorter time because digital equipment is becoming obsolete much faster than film.
For instance there is no more service and spares for Kodak's Pro back.
Even batteries are hard to find now.
That investment in MF digital is only possible with larger volumes.

There are 35 mm based digital cameras that have a higher MP count than quite a number of MF digital systems.
Still these MF digital systems provide better IQ.
It is not only the number of MP but lenses, software and post production have a large influence on IQ as well.
Except for high ISO values MF beats 35 mm based DSLR cameras anytime, no doubt about it.

Adrian Wilson , Jun 25, 2009; 05:03 a.m.

Hi Brandon,

First of all if you are shooting " Fine Art " you should be shooting film on Medium format. File sizes can be generated to suit the finished print size, if you have a 10 20 mb file and you look to increase that the data that is put into the file is " Padding " and as such any resultant image will not or ever be genuine.

As regards cameras Bronica are a good step forward, they have an excellent range of accessories some of which are difficult to get hold of and many people are not aware that certain items actually exist. If you want to look at the top end MF then the FUJI GX680II is an excellent choice.

Good Luck,

Adrian Wilson.

Steve Smith , Jun 25, 2009; 05:36 a.m.

For the record, Alamy most definitely does accept scanned films.

I was wondering about that too. I almost went to their website to check!


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