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Nikon 2DH - a brief preview

by Bob Atkins

Nikon released information on their new D2H DSLR today. The major new features are:

  • 8 frames per second
  • 40 JPEG buffer (25 NEF/RAW)
  • 11 sensor AF (9 cross sensors)
  • 4.1 MP "LBCAST" sensor (2484 x 1636 pixels)
  • "Wi-Fi" wireless transmssion capable (802.11b)
  • USB 2.0 interface
  • Better white balance
  • WA (write acceleration) compatible

It looks like this camera is not meant to compete with the Canon 1Ds full frame DSLR, but rather seems to go head to head with the Canon EOS-1D. The 1D also has a 4.1 megapixel sensor (actually 4.15, but who's counting), 8 frames per second and can store 25 frames (Hi-res JPEG). Pretty similar specs, don't you think! The Canon has a slightly larger sensor (1.3x multiplier vs. 1.5x), but the Nikon clearly benefits from the newer USB 2.0 and wireless 802.11b technology and a larger memory buffer.

The D2H is clearly aimed squarely at the action shooter so will be of great interest to sports photographers and photojournalists. In fact the camera is scheduled to appear in public for the first time at the 9th annual IAAF World Championships in Athletics, at Stade de France, Paris starting August 23, 2003.

There is no word yet on price or general availability is the US apart from the statement in the press release that it should be available during the "4th quarter of 2003", which means the October-December timeframe.

Here is a copy of the Nikon Press release with full details


    MELVILLE, N.Y., July 22 /PRNewswire/ -- Nikon (http://www.nikonusa.com), the
world leader in photography, today introduced the new D2H(TM) professional
digital SLR camera, designed for photojournalists and sports/action
photographers. Featuring the fastest full system performance in a digital SLR
camera, the D2H sets a new standard in speed and accuracy while achieving
exceptional image quality. Virtually every aspect of the camera's performance
has been designed from the ground up to facilitate high-speed photography
under demanding conditions. The D2H is capable of continuously shooting
8 frames per second and buffers up to a staggering 40 JPEG images. It
incorporates an all new 11-sensor autofocus system with 9 cross type sensors
and versatile performance, a revolutionary new DX format 4.1 effective
megapixel JFET imaging sensor called 'LBCAST' designed by Nikon and Wi-Fi
capabilities for 802.11b wireless transmission of images.
    The D2H boasts an extensive new feature set that is designed for extreme
performance at every level. The camera is central to a complete new imaging
system for photojournalism and sports/action photography that includes new
Nikon Capture(TM) 4.0 software, new NikonView(TM) 6.1 software, new i-TTL(TM)
speedlight technology, new WT-1 Wi-Fi transmitter accessory, and three
exciting new lenses including the world's first extreme wide-angle AF DX
Fisheye-Nikkor 10.5mm f/2.8G ED lens and the new AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm
f/2.8G IF-ED lens, both designed exclusively for Nikon digital SLR cameras,
and the world's first super-telephoto AF-S VR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED lens with
Nikon's advanced Vibration Reduction technology designed for Nikon's 35mm and
Digital SLR models.
    "Motivated by Nikon's heritage in sports/action photography and
photojournalism, the D2H is introduced to set a new standard for high-speed
digital photography. Every function within the D2H system is optimized for
fast, accurate and extreme performance with Total Image Quality. Using a newly
developed original Nikon imaging sensor, the D2H is able to produce data-rich
files that are compact enough for immediate transmission and rapid workflow,
yet yield dramatically high image quality," said Richard LoPinto, vice
president of SLR camera systems, Nikon Inc. "While photographers routinely
associate image quality and especially image sharpness with mega pixel count
alone, engineers understand that there are a multitude of additional factors
that affect sharpness and total image quality. The D2H's imaging sensor was
developed together with associated support technology, to overcome nearly
every aspect of image quality degradation, including false colors, noise,
'artifacting' and 'jaggies' to name a few. With the D2H system, Nikon is
leading action oriented digital photography into a new realm where Total Image
Quality takes precedence over any individual image specification. With
exciting new wireless compatibly, this new digital SLR system truly sets new
standards for performance and quality," he added.
    While the camera retains the familiar look and feel of Nikon's D-series
digital SLR cameras, it is completely redesigned under the hood, and
incorporates a host of new features and technologies that enable it to deliver
sports and action shots with impeccable image quality and detail.

            Image Quality That Surpasses Every Camera In Its Class

    There are many factors that affect a digital camera's final image quality.
These include color rendition, color accuracy, tone, contrast, sharpness,
pixel count, dynamic range, white balance, exposure accuracy, noise, digital
artifacts, false coloring, moire patterns and the appearance of 'jaggies.'
The D2H achieves unparalleled image quality in its class by aggressively
addressing each of these issues and utilizing new technologies to overcome
them. As a result, the D2H produces highly refined digital images that have
visibly noticeable superiority in image sharpness, detail, color and
resolution compared to other cameras in its class.

    Exclusive New Nikon 4.1 megapixel JFET Imaging Sensor LBCAST
    The D2H features a new 4.1 effective megapixel (2484 X 1636) DX format
JFET (Junction Field Effect Transistor) Imaging Sensor, called LBCAST (Lateral
Buried Charge Accumulator and Sensing Transistor Array). The new sensor's
technology and performance, as developed by Nikon meets the challenging needs
of photojournalists and sports/action photographers, and provides the
foundation for the D2H system's advanced performance. The new sensor is not
only capable of producing high image quality, but also delivers high-speed
performance. The sensor reads 2 channels of data from each pixel -- while also
handling brightness data in the same process to achieve maximum image
reproduction speed.
    Additionally, its JFET technology, combined with a host of new
innovations, enables this sensor to render extremely low noise performance
with extraordinary color accuracy, detail, sharpness and overall quality that
is unparalleled by any other similarly sized sensor. A new ASIC (Application
Specific Integrated Circuit) design significantly reduces color artifacts and
'jaggies' on oblique lines, while helping improve overall image sharpness.
Next generation signal processing algorithms improve automatic functions such
as auto white balance, auto tone control and auto color correction to ensure
optimal accuracy for each scene. A new color-processing engine minimizes false
colors, while maintaining superior color rendition, accuracy and consistency.
A high signal-to-noise ratio combined with high-level image processing offers
enhanced performance at high ISO settings.
    With a new sensor design, powerful algorithms and new total image quality
control technologies, the D2H produces images far superior compared to other
4-mega pixel cameras. With the added convenience of producing both NEF (Nikon
Electronic Format raw files) and JPEG files simultaneously, photographers will
find it easier than ever to harness the full power of NEF using Capture
4.0 software.

    Advanced New White Balance System
    The D2H features an intelligent new white balance system that accurately
measures and calculates color temperature and white balance settings for
complex conditions and thereby supports the highest total image quality. It
achieves this by employing Triple Sensor metering, and determines values from
three different sources: a "third eye" incident meter located on the prism of
the camera measures environmental light, Nikon's exclusive 1,005 pixel RGB
color meter sensor continuously measures reflected light from the viewed
image, and the DX image sensor measures color temperature in real-time during
the actual exposure. Advanced algorithms process the perfect white balance
setting for any given scene, using analysis of values from each of the three
sources. The D2H's white balance system has a wide color range of 2,500K to
10,000K, and is able to detect and compensate for artificial light flicker.
    For additional convenience, the D2H features five preset-memory settings
that can be alphanumerically labeled in the camera so photographers can store
white balance settings for venues they frequent, like stadiums, indoor courts,
etc. They can even extract white balance settings from a picture taken by the
camera, and using the white balance preset functions, apply it to subsequent
images.

             Fast, Accurate, Responsive -- It's All About Timing

    The D2H is the world's most responsive digital SLR camera. It has
virtually no start-up lag time, and is ready to shoot the instant it is turned
on. Its shutter lag time is a mere 37ms -- the lowest among all digital
cameras, and comparable to Nikon's legendary F5(TM) 35mm film SLR camera. The
D2H is capable of a continuous shooting rate of up to 8 frames per second at
full resolution and all file formats and ISO settings. The frame rate remains
consistent when any combination of the D2H's focus points is selected, or even
when older, non-CPU based Nikkor lenses are used. The D2H's enormous buffer
allows photographers to shoot up to 40 continuous images in JPEG mode and
25 in NEF (RAW) mode, rendering buffer-stall virtually a non-issue.

    All New Autofocus System: Nikon Multi-Cam 2000(TM) technology
    The D2H features the new Nikon Multi-Cam 2000(TM) next generation
autofocus system that is not only fast enough to keep up with the camera's
rapid continuous frame rate, but it is remarkably accurate in detecting focus
even in challenging situations, including dim lighting conditions as low as
EV -1. This new autofocus system consists of 11 AF sensors, 9 of which are
cross-type sensors laid out consistently with the rule of thirds for
composition, and an additional two sensors placed at the horizontal ends of
the frame. This ensures that the D2H has over 75% horizontal autofocus
coverage -- the widest cross-type sensor coverage in its class. Photographers
have the option of setting preferences for AF sensor selection, including
choosing each sensor individually or combining them into groups to ensure
ideal coverage in diverse picture taking compositions. The D2H also features
enhanced Dynamic AF and a new Group Dynamic AF detection option, as well as
Focus Tracking with Lock-On(TM) technology to ensure razor sharp pictures.
    Taking the D2H's remarkable autofocus system one step further is its
capability for 'extreme focus detection.' A typical camera can detect focus in
a scene up to a certain 'defocus' limit, beyond which the camera enters a
scanning mode. During this mode, the camera's autofocus system scans through
the entire focusing range of the lens before detecting a focus point. This
process can waste precious time, especially when photographing high-speed
action. The D2H's autofocus system can detect focus in scenes with about twice
the defocus limit of other cameras, ensuring more accurate and consistent
operation.

    High Speed Image Transfer For Faster Workflow
    Not only does the D2H process images faster, it is also equipped with
high-speed image transfer options that ensure the quickest transfer from
camera to workflow. The D2H has Lexar Media's(TM) Write Accelerated (WA)
technology standard, allowing faster write-to-card speeds when used with
Lexar's WA enabled CompactFlash(R) cards. The D2H features Hi-Speed USB 2.0
remote connectivity as well as compatibility with Wi-Fi for image transfer
over a wireless Local Area Network (LAN).

    Wi-Fi Connectivity
    For added speed, convenience, performance and potential, the D2H features
integrated Wi-Fi connectivity when used with the optional WT-1 accessory.
Based on standard IEEE-802.11b technology, the WT-1 can be attached to the
bottom of the D2H, and connected to the camera via its USB 2.0 port. It
transmits images via a local area network to a host computer access-point
using File Transfer Protocol (FTP) method, and can wirelessly transfer data
over a radius of approximately 30 meters (100 feet) with a supplied one-inch
antenna. An optional antenna is available for an extended range of up to
150 meters (approx. 490 feet). To ensure secure wireless data transmission,
the D2H offers multiple levels of security including Wired Equivalent Privacy
(WEP) encryption, MacAddress, and ESS-ID. The camera and optional WT-1
accessory can be set to various transmission configurations, including the
option to save images on the CompactFlash card and transmit simultaneously.
All the configurations and settings for wireless transmission can be written
separately in a computer text file and applied to multiple cameras by
downloading the file to a CompactFlash card and loading the settings into each
camera. The WT-1 draws its power supply from the D2H battery, consuming
roughly 20% of its charge during normal usage. Its robust magnesium chassis
construction and water resistant connectors match the camera's construction
and durability.

    Comfortable, Logical Design for Faster Handling
    The D2H features significant improvements in user interface design that
facilitate faster and easier handling of the camera. The most noticeable
difference on the back of the D2H is its oversized LCD monitor that is
50% larger than previous models and centrally positioned on the camera's back.
The 2.5-inch (diagonal) screen has an anti-scratch surface and displays
larger, easier-to-read fonts. A new 8-way multi-selector enables diagonal
movement and makes scrolling through menus and panning over images easier and
faster. New larger controls and oversized buttons make operating the camera
with gloves effortless. An improved vertical shutter release interface offers
photographers greater control and handling while the camera automatically
detects orientation and tags vertical images to be rotated in Nikon View
software.

    New Battery System Geared For Power, Accuracy
    The D2H utilizes a new Lithium-Ion based battery system that not only
powers the new technology and extreme performance in the camera very
effectively, but also offers new automatic calibration and comprehensive
performance monitoring features. The D2H battery meter indicates accurate
battery life on a percentage scale, with 5 percent increments, while a picture
meter indicates the number of images taken on a single battery charge.
Additionally, the battery information screen also specifies calibration status
and overall battery life in five stages, giving ample notice to photographers
to replace a battery that is exhausted and is unable to hold a charge. The
high-powered Li-Ion battery has a reduced memory effect, is lighter in weight
and provides improved cold weather performance.

                  If the Picture Matters, The Camera Matters

    The D2H is central to a growing system of cameras, software, lenses,
speedlights and accessories that not only enhance performance, but also offer
photographers potential for immense postproduction image control, faster
workflow and innovative new features. Highlights of the new system include:

    Capture 4.0 Software
    New software that significantly extends the capabilities of the D2H and
unlocks the full power of NEF (Nikon Electronic Format) files while offering a
degree of NEF image control unmatched by other third-party software. Capture
4.0 also boasts unique new features including Image Dust Off(TM) technology
that automatically eliminates the appearance of sensor dust from a series of
images.

    SB-800 Speedlight Featuring New i-TTL Advanced Wireless Lighting:
    An entirely new generation of speedlight technology was developed to
realize the full potential of the D2H. Featuring new wireless i-TTL flash
control, the SB-800 offers advanced wireless control of up to 3 remote groups
with any number of SB-800's in each group, providing photographers a new
dimension in multiple flash photography. The SB-800 also incorporates advanced
flash control including Flash Value Lock (FV-Lock), Auto FP High Speed Sync,
and Flash Color Information communication, for extreme color accuracy. The
SB-800 provides standard D-TTL functions when used with other D-series Nikon
digital SLR cameras.

    DX-Nikkor Goes Wider With Two New Wide-Angle Lenses:
    Nikon defies convention by introducing two new DX-Nikkor wide-angle
lenses, designed exclusively for Nikon D-series digital SLR cameras. The AF DX
Fisheye-Nikkor 10.5mm f/2.8G ED is the world's first extreme wide-angle
fisheye lens designed for a digital SLR camera, offering a groundbreaking
180 degree angle-of-view coverage (diagonally). Also, the new AF-S DX
Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED significantly expands the range of DX-Nikkor
lenses, expected to become the standard lens for Nikon digital SLR camera
users. By virtue of being DX-Nikkor, designed exclusively for DX-format image
sensors in Nikon's digital SLR cameras, these new lenses are not only compact
and light-weight, but also offer outstanding edge-to-edge sharpness and image
quality. DX Nikkor lenses now cover the angles of view from 180 degrees to
28 degrees 50'!

    World Premiere D2H Appearance
    The D2H will make its first public appearance at the 9th annual IAAF World
Championships in Athletics, at Stade de France, Paris starting August 23,
2003. This worldwide public appearance will be followed shortly by a series of
appearances at prolific U.S. sporting events. A schedule will be announced
shortly.
    The Nikon D2H digital SLR camera is compatible with over 40 world-class
Nikkor lenses, and now three new DX Nikkor lenses designed exclusively for
Nikon's D-series digital SLR cameras. The D2H will be available in the 4th
quarter of 2003. The new WT-1 wireless transmitter accessory, new SB-800
speedlight, new DX Nikkor lenses and Capture 4.0 software are scheduled for
release with the D2H.

    About Nikon
    Nikon ... If the picture matters, the camera matters(TM). Nikon Inc. is
the world leader in precision optics, 35mm and digital imaging technology and
is recognized worldwide for setting new standards in product design and
performance for its award-winning consumer and professional photographic
equipment. Nikon Inc. distributes the Nikon Total Imaging System of consumer
and professional 35mm film and digital SLR cameras, Nikkor optics, Speedlights
and System Accessories; Advanced Photo System cameras; 35mm compact cameras;
Nikon Coolpix(R) compact digital cameras; Coolscan(R) digital film scanners;
Nikonos(R) underwater photographic systems; and Nikon sports and recreational
optics. Through the Nikon Spirit Initiative(TM), the company, plays an active
role in supporting aspiring and advanced photographers through a variety of
philanthropic organizations, educational programs, events and workshops. For
more information, dial (800) NIKON-US or visit http://www.nikonusa.com, which links
all levels of photographers to the web's most comprehensive photo learning and
sharing communities.

SOURCE  Nikon, Inc

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Evan Fusco , July 22, 2003; 05:26 P.M.

DPReview's Preview, p.2 states the List price will be $3500. They don't specify a source for that, but it would be odd that they would give such a specific number without some sound info.

Bob Atkins , July 22, 2003; 06:39 P.M.

$3500 list isn't bad even if the price is correct and it sells at list. The EOS-1D goes for between $3600-$3999 street price, so the Nikon would seem to beat that - though who knows where the 1D price will be by the end of the year!

Though I'm a Canon user I'm glad to see Nikon bring out new models. That's what drives prices down and gives other manufacturers an incentive to improve their product!

Eli Zwillinger , July 22, 2003; 07:35 P.M.

I feel that Canon, at some point in the next year or two, will come out with an updated full-frame camera, simply because thats how things go. I know about the whole "its just speculation" thing, but does anyone else forsee Nikon eating some crow about the crop factor and coming out with a full-frame just so they can stay competitive?

Josh Root , July 22, 2003; 07:50 P.M.

HAHAHa!

2 years too late Nikon. I would have gladly stuck with my Nikon gear if they had put this camera on the shelves 18 months ago. But Nikon tried to make the "oh so fast" 5fps d1h be their photojournalist camera. So away I went to Canon. And as much as I loved Nikon's 3D flash technology, I'm not going to go through the trouble and expense of selling all my gear and switching again. Good work Nikon, this kind of crap and the fact that it's taken forever for your lenses to have USM or IS is why you see 10 white lenses for every Black one at sporting events and White House press conferences. Hope those Coolpix cameras are making enough money.

Mani Sitaraman , July 23, 2003; 12:25 A.M.

Notwithstanding the usual comments about Nikon playing catch up to Canon, this camera does have some innovative features, notably the WiFi connectivity which will make picture transmissions to photoeditors/newsdesks possible in literal real time (real shooting time, that is), and also automatic loading onto harddisk or other media.

I think having 9 cross sensors at the golden section points is also mighty handy.

Me? Why, I could find a 2.5 inch LCD real easy to get used to. And we don't yet know what the LBCAST chip is all about.

Justin Lee , July 23, 2003; 02:49 A.M.

On that topic of nine cross sensors, dpreview mentions on their side-by-side comparison that the cross-type sensors operate at f5.6 or faster. If all nine cross-type sensors are that sensitive, then I'm easily impressed... well, until something even shinier comes out next month :) -Justin Lee

Umit D , July 23, 2003; 05:01 A.M.

In every Nikon announcement it's interesting to note so many Canon kids seeking various ways to badmouth it somehow. This time being late, huh! Late for what? Are all PJ cameras sold to all existing (and next generations of) PJ guys on earth? According to specs, it looks in many ways superior to equivalent Canon. And where were you when there was a D1 and nothing on the Canon side with a letter "D" in its name? Late, you know?

Francesco Garbin , July 23, 2003; 07:17 A.M.

Bad, bad, bad! i work as a pro in advertising and Nikon has been the worst investment in our gear. The D1 digital cameras are simply not up to the job we are requested to do. Take that damn full size sensor out now before pros start selling all those crappy glasses! Long live the Imacon Ixpress - the best 20 grands ever spent on a medium format digital back!

Mark Scheuern , July 23, 2003; 09:54 A.M.

What's the point of comparing a medium format digital back to a photojournalist's camera? The D2h seems very well-suited to the intended task, particularly if the low-noise sensor works as well at high ISOs as claimed.

Mark

Carl Smith , July 23, 2003; 10:30 A.M.

"but does anyone else forsee Nikon eating some crow about the crop factor and coming out with a full-frame"

Probably

Josep Jordi , July 23, 2003; 12:23 P.M.

Too bad that camera makers are doing their products believing 'the bigger the better'... This is not a camera, this is a weapon! Sorry, I do not want to shoot people, I just want to take good photographs of them. I think I will stay with my G3 and FM3a for a while.

henry c , July 23, 2003; 01:34 P.M.

Finall, FP flash TTL for Nikon! It's so great to see Nikon finally doing something, I just bought a Canon 10D and was wondering if Nikon is going to do a thing at all. And they surprised me with a new DSLR and a new flash. I honestly don't want to see Canon to deteriorate thanks to no competition.

It's amazing that every new product from Nikon or Canon is countered with bashing comments from camera junkies. I am still waiting for a photographer relying on top of the line Nikon/Canon with USM/AFS lens to make something remotely close to anything those old masters had done with a box-like view-camera that had nothing more than an uncoated lens.

Oskar Ojala , July 23, 2003; 02:02 P.M.

I've talked with pro PJ shooting for major newspapers and magazines who've happily used the D1, then switched to the D1x/D1h when those became available and I'm sure they'll find the built-in WLAN very useful for their stressed line of work.

Actually I was shooting some architecture last fall, when I ran into a photographer who was to cover the buildings I was shooting for the biggest newspaper in this country. I asked him if he shot digital, he answered yes, the I asked what camera he used and he had to look at the front of the camera to check what model it was (it was a brand new model, still current today). On the next week-end issue, I could see his photos were quite ok. Moral of the story: pros take the shots, they don't worry about having less bits and hoopla in their cameras than the next guy has or the latest model promises.

Josh Root , July 23, 2003; 02:48 P.M.

"In every Nikon announcement it's interesting to note so many Canon kids seeking various ways to badmouth it somehow."

"And where were you when there was a D1 and nothing on the Canon side with a letter "D" in its name? Late, you know?"

It's important to note that I WAS a Nikon guy, and a very happy one. Where was I? Shooting with my Nikon F5 and F100 and getting fill flash that works well. Where were you? I doubt that most of us were shelling out $5900 for a D1 in 1999 when they first came out (though it was a bargin a the time). dSLR's didn't even start getting into the mainstream until the D30 & S1 started to drop the prices down towards the $3500 mark in the Fall of 2000. My first dSLR was a Fuji S1 and I made a lot of money with it. But Canon came out with the camera that I needed (EOS 1D, with a stupid Nikon-copycat name), and Nikon didn't even seem to have anything on the horizon remotely like it. So I switched and won't be switching back anytime soon.

Play it how you like, other than 3d flash and th original D1, the few things in this camera are the FIRST in a long time that Nikon has done anything other than play catchup with Canon. that having been said, if I were still a Nikon user, I would jump on this camera as soon as I could get my hands on one.

Yuriy Vilin , July 23, 2003; 05:24 P.M.

Anyone who likes polo abbruzzise more than crawfish etoufee - stinks.

Or something like that. Now, insert names you want to make phrase relevant to photography.

Dan Brown , July 23, 2003; 09:43 P.M.

I'm really glad Nikon didn't jump on the full-frame sensor bandwagon. It's a fundamentally bad idea due to poorer semi-conductor yield, higher cost and poorer sensitivity in the outer zones. The DX lens approach will prove better in the long run, mark my words. Canon has learned from the compatibility lesson for the FD-EOS transition, but to their own detriment now. There is irony, indeed.

Ilkka Nissila , July 24, 2003; 05:15 A.M.

New things to note in this camera are increased viewfinder magnification to compensate for the smaller sensor (so you can actually see what you shoot), matrix metering compatibility with manual focus lenses and AF sensors distributed to close to the edge of the frame (thanks to the smaller sensor, this is possible).

Josh, you sound like two years were like an eternity. I'm glad you're happy with your 1D and the money spent on it (and EF lenses) was recovered. What gives you such a bad mouth then?

Fortunately some people still make photographs which can be sold for longer than a few seconds after exposure.

Paulo Lobo , July 24, 2003; 09:37 A.M.

I have been cursing Nikon in the last 2 years for producing cameras that you cannot set the aperture on AI lenses. What is the point of mounting a lens if I cannot control its aperture?

I am so glad that the D2H supports AI lenses permitting aperture control, matrix metering, flash gun power zoom, etc., although you have to input some data first. It would be great if the D2H can readily memorise and recall settings for each AI lens.

Hurray to Nikon for their commitment in making the F mount truely legendary!

Ilkka Nissila , July 24, 2003; 10:17 A.M.

I don't understand ... on which bodies you cannot set the aperture on manual lenses? On F70, F80, F90, F100, F4, F5, D100, D1X/H, all allow the user to set the aperture using the aperture ring.

Matteo Ganora , July 24, 2003; 10:55 A.M.

I think it's a new revolution in digital-photography, Nikon for the first time has created a sensor... I read about the full frame... it's proved that CCD are better in Aps format!!!

And now, waiting for the X version!

hugo solo , July 24, 2003; 01:41 P.M.

I see beautiful pictures the most taken with holga,lomo,aiptek etc. The marathon today, millions pixels and price over the clouds. Some people spend time searching pixels around the corner, jaggies etc etc. Ten years with eos1hs and eos1nhs around the neck all day (I shot street photography)past year I sell all my gear and today my camera is an A30 the next maybe an A60, the only thing that I not sell my domke bag...imho from an advanced amateur that only need an 35mm

Siegfried Burgstaller , July 24, 2003; 01:48 P.M.

Hmmph!

Well I like my D100 and fast zooms but Nikon missed the boat here BIG time. They really need a full size sensor in one of their cameras, market forces simply demand it…. this would go a long way to instill faith and respect in the Nikon brand which is slowly waning.

I do think the D2 is a good camera for what it is designed to do, that said I will let out a lame-ass “whooooo-hooo” and not really care. All the new features are great but they dont really blow my skirt up like hearing "Full size ccd" in the review. The LBCAST sounds interesting and I would like to know more about it. Dont get me wrong...I do think this is a great camera and I would love to have it if I was a sport/action shooter or photojournalist.

The DH/X series was released 2.5 years ago, the d100 1.5 years ago? If judging by Nikon release dates, and they approximately stick to these...a full size sensor in a Nikon camera is probably about a year away. This is a huge mistake for Nikon as a lot of pros will most likely switch to Cannon (I know I would). I’m not a pro but I hear that most stock companies demand all digital files these days...it is just a matter of time until they demand 35mm equivalent quality (size and res) images from their shooters. And I’m sick of having my expensive wide-angle glass bitch-slapped and cut at the knees by the 1.5x thing (while sports and bird shooters probably love it, I absolutely hate it).

I’d say Nikon has a little time left before the remaining pro’s (the die-hards that are still left in the Nikon camp) switch en-masse and never look back. This may be one of those times in a companies life-cycle that everyone looks back on and says “holy shit, that was THE moment when Nikon lost it to Cannon”…. then Nikon slowly slips into oblivion…. it has happened to larger fish (non photographic companies) many times before.

But then again not many ppl can afford a EOS-1Ds anyways…so is it really a big deal, the answer is yes…Nikon is loosing even more of the pro market.

Like your wife told me, "Size does matter".

Regards, SB

CL Ho , July 24, 2003; 02:24 P.M.

The D2H resolution is very low !!! Only 4.1 megapixel ! It is really non sense for Nikon to product D2H at this stage. Why Nikon doesn't offer a standard size sensor (like Canon 1Ds)with high frame per second speed ? Canon 1Ds has reached 14 megapixel. Who are interested in 4.1 megapixel ? (not me, definitely)

Ilkka Nissila , July 24, 2003; 02:57 P.M.

Not all pixels are alike.

Aaron J. Heiner , July 24, 2003; 05:09 P.M.

"Who are interested in 4.1 mega-pixel ? (not me, definitely) "

This is a camera geared towards working photojournalists such as myself who do not need 14mp. The 1Ds is a waste of money and MP for me. 4.1 is more than enough for printing in a paper, or on the web. Besides as just stated no all megapixils are created equally.A larger sensor does mean better quality, nor does more mean better. Feels like I'm having an argument of a Porsche 911 vs. a Subaru WRX, top speed doesn't matter when you got have a national speed limit of 55mph. (You get the point of the analogy!)

Jay Dougherty , July 24, 2003; 11:02 P.M.

Looks like a decent camera, but the real question is this: WHY DOES NIKON NOT UPDATE ITS LONG LENSES? Camera is only half the equation. Nikon's lens lineup is now A MESS, with antiquated lenses being mixed in with the new DX lenses that no one would need or want if Nikon put out a full-frame digital camera. Jeez, what a mess this company is in. Canon has won the game. Why would any sports or nature photographer possibly buy into Nikon at this time?

Marcio Santos , July 24, 2003; 11:44 P.M.

"...(like Canon 1Ds)with high frame per second speed ? Canon 1Ds has reached 14 megapixel"

Another shout for 'not all pixels are alike' and actually the 1Ds is 11 megapixels and DON'T have a high frame per second speed, so, get informed.

4 megapixels is fine for newspaper, and that's what the D2H was made for.

Tony Dummett , July 25, 2003; 04:01 A.M.

I get what you're saying above about 4.1 mp being fine for papers and magazines, but what about enlargements? There's nothing like a good, sharp, LARGE print (even photojournalists do this from time to time, so I'm told) to mount for an exhibition (say 20-30 inches on the long border). A 4.1 mp original would surely look a bit aliased and pixelated - especially along the diagonals - at this size, wouldn't it?

Umit D , July 25, 2003; 05:34 A.M.

I am surprised why so many people has a lack of understanding it is a matter of compromises and market segmentation, or a basic knowledge about contemporary limitations of technology. As of today neither Nikon nor anyone else can make a digital camera with >= 8fps, >= 10MP, with enough buffer (fps has no meaning if the buffer is small) AND keep the price reasonable, be it full frame or not. If it were possible there would be one. Therefore there is actually TWO separate segments of the PRO market; one demanding high fps, high buffer, good high iso performance and things like WiFi, and the other demanding sheer image quality.

According to the feedback Nikon got from actual photographers (not the net surfing potatoes) about its D1h, they created the D2h obviously with compromises, but with priorities given to news photographers' demands. Thats it, and as of today it looks like the TOP PJ tool (unless it turns that image quality sucks). Almost surely there will be a D2X for the other segment of the market. If you really itching and can't really wait get a D1x, or Kodak's 14MP camera, or 'switch' to the Canon's $8K camera, or even better get a megabuck MF back, or just stick with film.

All that said about full frame is purely speculation. Who says FF provides the optimal performance/price ratio in digital? With film, increase in quality and price with the film format was almost linear, obviously not so with digital. If you have equivalent focal length lenses, image quality and reasonable prices why worry? And be happy with better range zooms (17-55) and/or lighter weight. Only time will show where the balance point will settle, if it settles on a single format.

And lastly, to those who live in the 10 years ago's AF revolution days: we are in 2003. There is NO compatibility problem in current Nikon line and with D2h you have even better compatibility with very old lenses. Who says there is 'mess' of compatibility with some older Nikon glass and current Nikon cameras should look at their 'as old' Canon glass (the 'FD' you know) which can't even be mounted. And as of product lines, Nikon has caught up with VR lenses as you see, which was Canon's major advantage (the only one if you ask me), but we are still waiting a D type flash system from Canon. I don't even ask for manual film bodies (not yet died) and compatibility with dirt cheap and high quality (yes, they are) older glass.

Aaron J. Heiner , July 25, 2003; 06:29 A.M.

Thank you, Umit. Glad to see someone who thinks this way too. I agree it amazes me how many people do not understand market segments. It's not unheard of, but I don't see too many PJs (photojournalists) making daily 8x10 or larger prints. Part of why a lot of us went digital is because we no longer need physical prints or negs anymore. We go straight from camera to computer to the print process for the newspaper. I think that's where the D2x will fall into play. Remember most PJs have more than one camera. A lot of us still own film eaters too. Now the WiFi looks like something that's going to make my workflow move faster.

Jose Roberto Wagner , July 25, 2003; 04:26 P.M.

Let’s be rational:

I am not a Nikon defender.

I was almost changing all my Nikons to Canon 1D 4MP system.

But, the only advantage on Canon 1Ds full size sensor is the wide angle capability with ordinary lens.

But this is a 1Ds only advantage ($8,000). Every other Canon DSLR doesn’t have wide angle capabilities, 1D D30 D60 10D.

This supposed 1Ds advantage or 1.5 crop factor limitation disappear when DX lens are made available to Nikon system, for ALL Nikon DSLR:

16mm full frame fisheye 2.8 (35mm equivalent) 18-35mm 4.0 (35mm equivalent) 24-85mm 2.8 (35mm equivalent)

So, even D100 users can get wide angle pictures with their "cheap" cameras. And today most DSLR start at ISO 200, so a F4.0 lens is equivalent to a F2.8 lens using ISO 100 film.

What about Canon 1D, D30, D60, 10D users ? Can they resolve their wide angle limitations ?

But there are innumerous advantages on 1.5 crop factor system.

1- You get lighter, cheaper and smaller telephoto.

Is there this kind of lens like that for Canon 1Ds:

105-300mm 2.8 IS USM - (AFS 70-200mm VR)

300-600mm 4.0 IS USM - (AFS 200-400mm VR)

900mm 4.0 USM - (AFS 600 f4) 2- Cheaper Camera.

How many can really pay $8,000 in a DSLR.

If it was possible to make a 100 MPixel full frame DSLR 20fps for $ 25,000, how many would buy it.

Price is a factor.

3- ONE SYSTEM at all

Nikon Users can have one D2H one D1X one D100 and use them the same way?

Want a film DSLR ? Just add a 18-35mm lens.

Canon 1Ds users have to be exclusive 1Ds users.

There is no "cheap" camera Backup, unless they lost wide angle capability, but this is the only reason to use a 1Ds.

I believe Nikon will never make a full frame DSLR. They have grabbed this 1.5x factor as Olympus choose the 2.0x factor.

Regards,

CL Ho , July 26, 2003; 01:00 A.M.

Make it sample and see the CPU in computer industry (digital too ?!)

I think the computer industry are pushed by market force and demand from customers to make a faster and cheaper CPU for the new generation of computer, from 286, 386, 486 to Pentium I, II, III, IV ........

Think about 10 years ago you might satisfy with your '386' or '486' powered PC. These computers satisfied people for their work at that moment.

The point is, if the CPU technology has reached Pentium IV 3.0Ghz, who want to buy a new '486' or even Pentium I powered computer in the shops today ??? Even they works fine for general word processing.

The digital imaging power has already reached over 10 megapixel and without any focal length multiplier (I hope 1x multiplier can be a standard in the future). As a consumer, we would like to see camera manufacturers to introduce more powerful digital cameras for the consumer selection, rather than using lower resolution technology for new products.

Ilkka Nissila , July 26, 2003; 05:05 A.M.

The D2H was not made for the consumer. 4 MP satisfies most PJ needs and it's available at a fraction of the cost of the much slower (and possibly noisier) D1s. Shall I draw a picture or maybe even that won't help?

Mark Scheuern , July 26, 2003; 07:25 A.M.

The computer analogy is a poor one. A 486 won't even run Microsoft's current operating system; a camera that takes pictures adequate for photojournalists takes pictures adequate for photojournalists, period, and that's what matters. PJs don't want or need a full-frame 10 MP camera because of the compromises it would necessarily entail with speed, file storage, etc. at the current state of digital camera technology. A no-compromise digital camera doesn't exist. PJs have their needs, studio photographers have other needs (and, presumably, will prefer the D2x), consumers have yet a different set of needs, and a mindless "it's junk, it doesn't have X megapixels and full-frame" attitude ignores the realities of digital camera design and the requirements for different applications.

Valliesto Bailey , July 26, 2003; 01:51 P.M.

I wonder about the real world usefulness of the wireless system. 802.11b is not a very fast system, for example a 1gb card would take ~48 minutes to fully download. I know that when I shoot races and events I generate a *HUGE* amount of data (one of the biggest advantages of digital IMHO). I will need to change cards well before the camera has transferred any decent % of it to the remote computer.

Maybe this will be one of those things that I wonder how I lived with out it, but right now it makes no sense to me.

Anyway kudos to Nikon for producing the D2h, it looks like a hell of a camera.

P.S. If the wireless used 802.11a or 802.11g then it would be much faster. 802.11a would drop the time for 1gb to ~9 minutes and 802.11g would be about ~10 minutes. Much faster than the current 802.11b, but still much slower than it takes to generate 1gb of data.

Joey Sandoval , July 26, 2003; 03:40 P.M.

a friend of mine shoots with the 1d. he does weddings. he can print beautiful 13" X 19" without pixelation or aliasing. megapixel count isn't everything, folks!!

Jamie W , July 27, 2003; 05:30 A.M.

I think the wireless functionality is not meant to download your entire card, but rather to download as you are taking photos in a studio/corporate environment. Still not fast by any stretch of the imagination, but enough to allow your image processing people to get started DURRING the photoshoot.

Ravi Nagpal , July 28, 2003; 09:36 A.M.

Sigh...

Erb Duchenne , July 28, 2003; 03:23 P.M.

"I think the wireless functionality is not meant to download your entire card, but rather to download as you are taking photos in a studio/corporate environment."

I don't think PJ's commonly work in a studio environment. However, they don't need to send all 100 pictures to the papers, but a handful of really good shots. WiFi should cope with that just fine. It also adds convenience in that the card doesn't need to be removed, or some transfer wire attached.

On megapixles; while I agree that megapixels aren't everything, they are significant. By not offering full 35mm and above 10MP DSLRs, Nikon HAS lost out in that market segment no matter which way you argue. Whether it's a profitable segment is another question, but it's certainly a start. By the time the general public are crying for 10MP and above, Canon will be in it's second generation or above dealing in that market... while Nikon will be new to it. That's, however, not to say Nikon won't be introducing a kick-ass first time system.

If the PJ's say they're happy with 4MP, then okay it's fine. Why are other's saying PJ's need higher MP when PJ's themselves don't calim so? I think simply it's the 10MP and higher owners just wanting to show off. Personally though... I wouldn't invest in a digital below 5-6MP. But I'm not a PJ and I DO expect larger prints.

James Rulison , July 28, 2003; 05:08 P.M.

Hmmm... I think Nikon is going to come out with a 14+ MP unit for the non-pj crowd. You don't think Kodak developed the DCS Pro 14 by themselves do you? I mean look at it folks it has so much Nikon guts it’s ridiculous. You don’t see it supporting Canon lenses do you?

Best, James

Aaron Ng , July 28, 2003; 10:00 P.M.

I just don't get it why everyone is ranting about full frame digital. From a wide angle lens perspective, it is partially solved with the DX line of lenses. The people who usually NEED wide angle lenses are landscape photographers who find 35mm film to be limiting and therefore use MF or LF. How often do you see wedding photographers or PJ's using 17mm on people shots. You're going to get a huge perspective distortion at the sides if you tilt your camera even just a bit. And press editors don't like "peanut-distorted head shaped people" framing the photos, unless you're from some super tiny newspaper with no quality control (I've seen one). Even during the film era, PJs were carrying 28-70mm and 80-200mm on 2 bodies. Why not a 17-35mm? Isn't the answer obvious?

For the PJs who want to blow up their photos to wall size like some claim, I'm sure that the agency they are working with would have purchased a D1X or will purchase a D2X when it is released if it suits their requirements. These PJs would be out in the field with either 2 D1X/D2X or 1 D1H/D2H and an additional D1X/D2X.

It is quite irritating when a tool made for a specific purpose gets critisised when it is not even released/reviewed yet. Even worse are people who put down the camera because it is not THEIR ideal camera.

The camera is a tool. For the professional line of cameras, Nikon places the interests of professionals first before the general public. The sales of the D1 series and probably the D2 series come mostly from press agencies. They buy 10-20 cameras at once and get Nikon to do a full CLA on it every year. That's where the money comes from. Not from amateurs/snappers who buy 1 camera after thinking about it for 3 months, never CLA it even after using it in sandy/wet conditions, complain about it not having a full frame when their widest lens is only a 28mm (so that they don't have to buy another lens) and claim that they will be happy with only 10-15 megapixels when the truth is they never go beyond 8x10"!

Just my 2 cents. Flames welcomed!

Regards, Aaron

Rob Ewart , July 28, 2003; 10:53 P.M.

A note on the CCD size: I too kind of miss 35mm equivalency, especially since I like going wide at times. I do not see Nikon adopting 35mm equivalent focal lengths tho', especially as they are releasing all of their DX lenses (another two in the past couple of weeks!)

I think tho' that they are not doing wrong by it. Sure, there is a bit of buying anxiety going on - those who have got wide angle lenses for their film cameras will now have to go out and buy wide angles for their digital. But really it is just the resolution of the ccd chip that is of concern - not the size of it. After all, the smaller the size of it, the cheaper it is to create good fast lenses - you don't have to worry about the optical abberations over as wide an area. So long as Nikon is busy working hard on chip resolution, they are not really doing any wrong.

Still, compatability would be rather nice.

Steve Foster , July 29, 2003; 01:42 P.M.

So Nikon made a cam that fits the needs of a targeted segment of the market....but doesn't fit all photogs needs. Bastards!! They obviously know nothing about R&D nor do they care about pros who's living depends on real life equipment considerations. They'll pay for this someday. It's just a matter of time before Chevrolet and Ford jump into the Dslr business and by gum, I'll buy the Ford because anyone knows that Ford makes a better camera than Chevrolet. Then maybe people will understand that I'm a serious photographer with discriminating tastes and will pay twice the market rate for my photos. They'll stop making unreasonable demands for composition and other stupid things. In the meantime, I've disabled all settings on my F5 other than manual and duct taped my zoom to lock it on 48 mm and emailed proof of that to all mag editors. Now maybe I can get something worth printing. How come no one ever told me it was as easy as that?

Cemal Dervish-Uman , July 31, 2003; 05:12 A.M.

Nikon have done this right.

They have combined the advantages of a smaller sensor size (faster frame rate, cheaper, small light-weight lenses for a given 'effective' focal length) with the advantage of BACKWARDS compatibility with their existing 35mm lenses. The wide angle issue is a non-brainer - they now have small, cost-effective and fast DX format wide angle lenses for the DX format sensor.

For the Pro PJ (at whom this camera is not only aimed but FOCUSSED), the above issues will (IMHO) actually be seen as the only salient ones. They'll now get the shots they want, faster, with more than adequate image quality for the intended uses, and get them to press, whilst having to hump around less weight than they would using a larger image sensor. The fact that their employers will need to buy a couple of new wide-angle lenses will be seen as trivial.

And as for the spec. of the new flash system. From what I've read, it sounds simply ground-breaking.

If you're a Nikon user and insist on full 35mm format (maybe because you want mega pixel quality for weddings and such like), you can also buy the Kodak DC14n. It's reasonably priced, and well built. You just have to make sure you don't put a DX lens on it.

Well done Nikon. You've done your Market Research. You've done the Physics, and you've steered an effective path between the two.

Cemal

Chris Groenhout , July 31, 2003; 08:26 A.M.

Hey, it's already available at Vanbar.com.au in Melbourne, Australia - for a mere US$630,000 - bargain!!!

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Jason Myers , July 31, 2003; 12:02 P.M.

All this discussion of full-frame vs. 1.5X is interesting. While I personally would prefer to be able to use my 20mm Nikon AF lens to its best advantage, i.e. with a full-frame DSLR, I could live with the idea of buying a new DX lens that is wide enough to give me the same angle of view on a 1.5X DSLR.

HOWEVER, have you noticed that Nikon's new DX lenses take 77mm filters? How does this save size and weight? And if you use polarizers and other filters, realize that in 62mm and 72mm size, Nikon filters are already expensive. I don't want to spend over $125 to replace a perfectly good 72mm polarizer just so I can use a DX lens. C'mon Nikon- make the front elements of your new lenses compatible with the filter sizes on your existing line of lenses!!!

Umit D , August 01, 2003; 08:08 A.M.

C'mon Nikon- make the front elements of your new lenses compatible with the filter sizes on your existing line of lenses!!!

I think they are exactly doing that, 52mm and 77mm are the most common filter sizes in the Nikon line, much more than 72. Nikon 18-35/3.5-4.5 is a much smaller lens than the 17-35/2.8 but it has the same 77mm filter size with a 'built in' step up ring in front.

Paul Rigas , August 01, 2003; 03:07 P.M.

All this is exactly why I am sticking to film.

Pet Scan , August 01, 2003; 04:44 P.M.

The new products Nikon annouced recently is amazing. I especially like the new flash system, the new AF Multi-cam system, and the new VR lens. However, I am not a pro, and is just an amateur. I shoot as a process of self actualisation. I join the local photographic club and take part in competitions, to learn and improve my skills, to receive criticisms and to share my photographic jobs and sorrows with others. I used to shoot both digital and film, but as I come from a place in which nearly all photographic clubs not welcome digital, I now shoot more film than digital in order to satisfy them. I have a D100, and I do believe that the era of DSLR is coming, and is also used to waiting patiently for D2 to come out,and started my saving some time ago. However, after some thought, I finally spend my saved money, not to invest in another digital camera, but on a Pentax 67II, who, IMHO, is having higher resolution that all the 6 mp DSLR (I am not so sure about the Kodak 14n or Canon 1Ds, but anyway my new Pentax 67II + 3 lens combo is still cheaper than the Kodak and Canon one), and 67 is the Medium Format that, IMHO is the slowest format to be completely replaced by digital. I now use the Pentax 67 to shoot landscape mostly, and use the D100 (or F5 if I used film) to shoot widelife such as bird, etc. The D-TTL, IMHO, is far from perfect, and I hope the new i-TTL will fix all the bugs of D-TTL. I am especially delighted to the release of a new VR AFS long lens 200-400mm. Nikon FINALLY do something and release a long lens with VR and AFS (I almost go to buy a Sigma 500mm F4.5 or 300-800mm lens, or has one time think about buying one Canon long lens and a body just for widelife). I hope Nikon will update all its long lens to VR and AFS Spec in near future. D2H is not for me, as I am not a PJ, so I cannot comment whether it is great or not. I also will not buy a coming D2X if it is as expensive as a Canon 1DS (Why not I keep on shooting my Pentax 67II for the time being if I need to make BIG print). In my part of the world, it still need some time to convict all the people (especially the old one) that the era of DSLR is indeed coming. As for the the 1.5X factor issue, it is not a problem to me as if I really need wide angle shot, just like Moose Peterson suggested, I will put my 17-35mm in my FILM camera. Most of the time I find the 17-35 sitting on my D100 wide enough to cover most of the thing I wish to shoot. But if I really totally switch to digital SLR in future and really wish an ultra-wide angle lens for digital, I can still sell my 17-35mm (here in my place still many many many people want this lens) and use the money to buy the 12-24mm DX lens, with no lose of money at all. Nikon way to solve the ultra-wide angle issue in DSLR is sure to be much cheaper than the Canon way to force you to buy the 1DS. However, I think Canon is a better businessman and can make more money as it force the Canon users to switch DSLR, from D30 to D60 to 1DS or 10D in just few years), whereas for me I just put the money on just 1 DSLR, and it is D100.

Just my 2 cents

alvin ng , August 02, 2003; 06:46 A.M.

If Canon does manage to release a full frame DSLR for the prosumer segment (2-3k) in the next few years, how much sense would it make for one to invest in the DX system of Nikon since this would mean 2 sets of lenses just to use Nikon's DSLR and SLRs. Wouldnt users to tempted to just switch over since you just need one set of lenses for the Canon lineup? Plus the bigger CMOS size would provide for greater resolution, and one doesnt have to worry about any lens compatibility issues. Granted the 1.5x magnification of DX gives the user a distinct advantage in the telephoto range, which can save a whole bunch of buckeroos for nature/sports/wildlife photographers. This 1.5x crop also allows for smaller, cheaper and lighter lenses to be built. Whatever shall I do...... I still love my F80.

Jonathan Wang , August 02, 2003; 11:06 A.M.

All this bickering about Canon vs. Nikon is ridiculous.

Here's how I see it, from a photojournalist point of view: The D2H is precisely what we need. It has the fast motor drive, the 802.11b, and the high ISO performance. As a photo editor for my paper, I recently purchased a D1H for the paper and I don't regret it at all. We don't need the super-wide lenses, and even if we did, they are available in the new DX line. As soon as the next budget cycle comes around, I'm going to get a D2H, WT1, and the 200-400 f/4 VR. Even if I could get the 1Ds or the 1D for the same price, I wouldn't. They don't have the low ISO performance (1600 and greater) nor the motor drive performance of the Nikon H series. Furthermore, 4.1 megapixels is more than enough for our needs. In fact, sometimes I've wished that there was less resolution since it would make browsing through files easier. Learn to crop IN the camera, and the resolution issue becomes moot.

When I am covering a story, I reach for the Nikon digital gear. When I'm shooting for myself - landscapes primarily - I reach for film on the Canon gear that I own. Is this so hard to understand? Each system has its advantages, make use of them.

And to the poster complaining about wall-sized enlargements - do you honestly think you'll get acceptable wall-sized enlargements from 35mm? If you're going to make enlargements of that magnitude, you'd better reach for the 4x5, buddy.

Everything has its strengths and weaknesses. The D2H will be HUGE in the PJ market, and that's the market that matters for Nikon's profit margin.

Brian Cincotta , August 03, 2003; 11:08 P.M.

whoever wrote the moronic comment on Nikon's lenses being antiquated should wake up and smell the coffee. It's generally agreed Nikon make the world's best lenses. They do have a few manual focus and metering lenses, but just this year, they've released over 7 new lenses in their lineup. Many of their lenses blow away their competitors hands down.

Jay Dougherty , August 04, 2003; 08:46 A.M.

Brian, that "moronic" comment came from me, thank you. Canon won over many, many (all that I know) nature and sports photographers over the past years with its IS in long lenses. IS/VR, in case you've never used the technology, is important enough to long lenses that it makes such a switch worthwhile. Nikon is *just now* beginning to put out VR lenses. Previously, it had but one: the 80-400 VR, which is slow, slow, slow. Canon's lenses have long been equal to or better than Nikon's. Hence your comment regarding Nikon's superiority in lenses suggests that you may not have wide exposure to today's equipment.

Brian Cincotta , August 04, 2003; 02:27 P.M.

Jay Image Stabilization and Vibration Reduction has little to do with optical sharpness. I mean- if you got Parkinson's Disease, I can see where IS and VR comes in handy. Besides, it isn't the lens anyway, but the person behind the lens that matters the most. Even Canon's non-IS lenses always have been sharper than their counterparts. Any telephoto lens 300mm and up, is almost always mounted on a tripod, so who cares about IS or VR when you would undoubtedly be using a cable release anyway. Maybe Canon has won some awards for their lenses(and I've used their lenses before), but again, many would favor Nikon as being a better build and optical design.

Aaron Ng , August 05, 2003; 12:30 A.M.

Brian.. Do you actually shoot sports on a tripod? I'm not sure how could you follow a basketball/football match with a tripod. At most, a monopod will be used. There will be times when you are using a 300/400/500mm lens and can only get a shutter speed of 200-250. This is where VR/IS will show its usefulness. Another area where VR/IS can help is when using fill in flash with long lenses. Say you are using a 400mm lens and for some obscene reason, require fill flash. If your max sync was 1/250 (as in the case of the D2H), then you can still attain acceptable shots even at a slow shutter speed. FP TTL flash is nice, but the reality is that the flash power output is greatly diminished as compared to using sync flash.

Regards, Aaron

John Lynn , August 05, 2003; 11:29 A.M.

I think all profession Digital SLR will eventually be based on full frame sensors. When that comes, all DX lenses will be nice paperweights.

CL Ho , August 06, 2003; 07:55 A.M.

Dear John,

I fully agree with your view. Nikon (or others) has no reason to stop further sensor development and stays at APS size for its SLR digital camera. The pixel and 1.5X multiplier are limited by technical and cost reason at the moment.

If the cost of full size sensor comes down to a reason and acceptable for consumer level, there is no reason for Nikon not to make full size digital camera with much higher pixel with only 1X multiplier.

Furthermore, the Nikon lens is primarily designed for 135 format at 24x36mm instead of APS size. The situation of D2H is just like using a 120 medium format lens on a 135 camera (e.g. using only Contax 645 lens on Contax N1 camera !)

If Nikon really want to stick to 1.5X multiplier, why they doesn't produce lens with smaller lens mount for APS size digital SLR permanently ? Sure, D2H is a transitional product before they can develop full size sensor. It is not my cup of tea. I will wait for a full size sensor DxH later !

Aaron Ng , August 06, 2003; 10:18 P.M.

CL Ho,

With a smaller APS sized mount, the lenses can only be used with the APS sized sensor. With the DX lenses, Nikon is already achieving this. The reason they kept the F mount is because it gives users the OPTION to use their 35mm lenses on it as well. Isn't that better than forcing everyone to buy a whole set of lenses for digital? With the F mount with APS sized sensors, you can use your current lenses and buy an additional DX lens for wide angle. That benefits both Nikon and the user. They get sales of a DX lens, while you get to save money by using your existing lenses as normal-telephoto lenses.

If you need a full sized sensor, then wait for the time when full sized sensors can be mass produced at low prices. I'd be inclined to compare the max resolution in lp/mm for current full sized sensors and Nikon's APS sized sensor.

Aaron

CL Ho , August 08, 2003; 02:14 P.M.

Pentax has just announce a new DA series of lens exclusively for it Pentax D-SLR with image circle perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm). Lens size, weight are reduced.

Quang-Tuan Luong , August 09, 2003; 03:13 P.M.

Most of the comments address the (perceived) shortcomings of the "digital" part of that body, however miss the fact that Nikon seems to have introduced significant innovations in the "camera". Remember that the AF, daylight and flash metering on the Canon 1Ds are basically the same as that the 5 year old EOS 3. Based on running thousands of rolls through that body, I can tell you that there is a lot of room for improvement there.

conny duwez , August 13, 2003; 09:31 A.M.

Personnaly I think Nikon has proven (again) that it does not play catch up with anybody. It's true that they were not the first in having USM, IS, XLZ and PQtrL and that will certainly have hurt them economically and psychologically. Back when they were number 1 in pro gear Nikon has always proven to be stubborn, or at the very least self-minded. Later they did not *seem* to care or to panic when Canon brought out this or that (by this I mean that they did not hurry to catch up - perhaps they were tired of being first :-) As a smaller company they perhaps do not always have the possibility to do so. As with everything else (cars, guns, cookies, shoes, ...): a company develops and markets products (not necessarily identical to those of their competitors) and it is up to us to choose and buy what feels or works well in our hands. Me for example? I skipped the whole AF era and still use my 'old' Nikon MF gear because I did not have the need for AF in my type of photography, and since last month I also own a humble but decent digital camera (Olympus C4000zoom), just to keep in touch with digital photo technology. I don't have to live from my pictures and want to wait and see what direction digital is going (sensor size wise) before I invest more.

Jim Meyer , August 14, 2003; 11:49 A.M.

CANON vs. NIKON: Arghh!! I would like to add my 25 cents to this already too-long thread. I think it is so stupid, silly, childish, puerile, adolescent - and any other negative adjective you can think of - to be so fixated on the "war" between CANON and NIKON. My theory is that once one has big $$'s invested in a system, the mind wants to justify one's position by degrading the other. GET OVER IT!! Many of us are TIRED of hearing about CANON vs. NIKON!! Either brand - or any other brand - is capable of capturing fine images in the right hands. This site is about developing your photographic skills and knowledge, not on whether you made the right decision in selecting a brand.

Brian Cincotta , August 16, 2003; 09:52 P.M.

I personally feel, both Canon AND Nikon are good- which is why I use both. You're going to find much more of a difference between lenses and bodies within a particular brand, than you would from one lens of one brand, compared to another. Same with camera bodies as well. I agree though, that this "war" between nikon and canon is rather stupid. Both brands are professional, and it's a person's preference to use either.

Geert Vanden Wijngaert , August 23, 2003; 11:17 A.M.

I was informed by Nikon Belgium the company will stay with the 1.5 factor, at least for the next few years and I' m happy with that. If you have the 12-24mm for real wide angel pix and the 80-400mm or 200-400mm for suberb teleshots you really don't need the full frame. I'm not going to buy the D2H, I'll wait for the D2X that sure will be a strong competitor for the Canon 1D full frame. Best Geert

Daniel Bayer , September 02, 2003; 06:12 P.M.

Not all photojournalists are going to accept 4.1 MPX as "Good Enough" I make an additional 150-350% of my monthly newspaper salary in additional stock and fine art sales. I laugh hard at the idea of risking a phenomenal image to 3-4 megapixel and interpolation.

Most high profile pros in Aspen have switched to Canon now. Believe me, I hate the whole Canon versus Nikon crap too. If LBCAST is the groundbreaking technology we would dream it could be, then a D2X would still have to be jaw dropping compared to the 1DS is right now.

The reason is how the digital trend is playing out thus far. The difference in release date of similar new product in the pro end is what is driving the switch by popular local opinion.

A trend is a very powerful sales tool and if it continues over a period of time, it gains a loyal following.

I regard my Nikon film cameras & lenses the best made for what I use them for, Canon can't touch them. As far shooting digital goes, they need batteries either way so I am giving the other guys a shot in my bag.

I am keeping 2 Nikon FM3A's and a minimal selection of the best AIS manual glass however.....there are some photos that will always remain hard or impossible to achieve with a battery dependant digital camera afterall.

To the photojournalists who think 4MPX is enough, good for you, but remember, you are not like ALL photojournalists.

Daniel Bayer.

Jomar Enciso , September 10, 2003; 12:39 P.M.


King of the Hill

here's my two cents.....

I keep wondering why some people would bash or badmouth or whatever you might want to call it cameras or whatever product that is out there? I am an amateur photographer and really proud in being one. I enjoy how I use the camera as a tool to get what I need in my environment. Now I know that DIGITAL is here and I know tha sooner or later I might even go digital. The problem that I am having is that It would be helpful (for us aspiring photographers) to get some "helpful" information about the equipments that we might use in the future. I have no comments about how Canon is this and Nikon is that....I do admit that I am a nikon user, but that is because I chose to buy a nikon system, I could have bought a canon, but I chose not to (dont ask my why) Now the nikon d2h, as it was CLEARLY explained in the press release that it was INTENDED and TARGETED to the working pro (sports photographers/photojournalist) if your not one of those people, stop ranting and raving about it (no offense to those that do) I bought an N80 and took great pictures of it, but realized that the camera will not last for the kind of places that I go to so, I bought an F5, which I really liked because of its spot on metering and durability (except for the rubber grip) A camera is a light box and is only a tool for your work, art, hobby, just like a hammer, do you like the curved handle or the straight one?, which one better suits your wrist, the output is still the same! it's the final product that matters not the tools that you use to make it (not true all the time, but still is true to most). And I do believe in that! Who cares if you have 20mp camera, if you're not going to use that MP why bother? I have a 2.0mp camera and it suits my needs. If I buy a nikon d100, I would stick with that even If after buying it Nikon comes out with a D200, as long as the D100/10D etc. suits my needs its all fine with me!!!!

This is my opinion on the matter and it's up to you how you would react on this. heck, I take pictures like you do, and what do I use to take pictures of ? I use a camera, not a nikon, not a canon but a camera and lens. end of story!

Thanks.

Ilkka Nissila , September 16, 2003; 07:26 A.M.

Obviously digital and film are different but in both cases the best image quality is obtained by the largest area sensor/film that you can use, provided that the DOF is suitable. So, it makes sense that people who have existing camera systems want to use the same area of sensor for which the lenses were designed. If you need a 600/2.8 equivalent, then the Olympus system may be for you. I for one don't really need lenses longer than 300 mm in 35mm format terms, and would like to have panoramic and wide angle options in digital too. When you make a panoramic, you would normally try to make it large so that you can see the details in the landscape, and that's what you can do with a full-frame 24x36 mm digital camera with existing 35 mm lenses. Not such a big additional investment. If you need primarily long teles, then a small sensor makes sense, but for wide angle photography and many applications where large prints are preferred, a large sensor is the way to go.

Arvi Finn , September 16, 2003; 04:58 P.M.

It is true that 1.5X focal length ratio is an unsatisfactory compromise, and as a result I feel inclined to drop my Nikon gear in the future. But not for Canon with their 1X ratio. I will go for Olympus with their smart, new 2X focal length ratio. Waky-waky, guys! What makes you think that the exact size of the old film media is best for digital? Canon high-end cameras are going the way of the DINOSAUR. The historical trend is towards smaller format and more compact cameras and lenses. The four-thirds format has tremendous advantages. Note what Kodak are doing - they have produced a full-frame sensor-equipped camera for people with special needs, but they have also teamed up with Olympus to create four-thirds camers. They know where they are heading.

Let's be reasonable and think.

Olympus have a 300mm f2.8 lens for the four-thirds system. A Nikon D2H user would need a 400mm f2.8 lens on their camera to have similar capacities. I wouldn't want to carry that lens around.

A Canon professional camera user would need to have a 600mm f2.8 lens to get similar angle of view and light resolving power. That lens would be twice the length, twice the height and twice the width of the four-thirds lens. By necessity, then, it would be EIGHT times bulkier and heavier. You dig? The Canon user will need a *wheelbarrow* to move the thing from point A to point B.

I take my words back - maybe the Nikon system is not a too bad compromise. But in the bush, on the airplane, on the mountain, in the conflict zone, who has the edge? The guy who can carry the most efficient gear and the most optimal kit. Why does the modern infantryman use a smaller-calibre weapon than his WW2 counterpart? Because it is more efficient. Just as medium format is not usable in many situations, so the 36X24 format has a disadvantage when compared to the new gear. The D2H is a compromise. Four-thirds seems to be the smartest approach to many kinds of photography.

Oops! I made one minor correction, and my comment went after Ilkka's comment. Ilkka's comment was a response to my comment. Well, good views from him, I won't try to fight any more. There's many ways to look at these things.

Alan Warren , October 22, 2003; 04:50 P.M.

After reading all of the correspondance from the different punters(English slang for guys/folks)and my own recent observations on the present state of photo technology I offer you this;

(1)Photography is all about the end result, the image!

(2) Today the best technology for reproducing an image is the color positive tranparency particulary large formate film.The best digital camera in the world cannot match the image produced by an off the shelf film $250 Camera using velvia .If you want to go digital scan the image and you will still have a much better image than the best Digital camera can produce. (3) Why buy a digital camera because it produces an "exceptable" image for 8 by 10 photos when the existing mature technology produces a vastly superior image particulary in the larger formate film.

(4) If you take snap shots or are a photojourmalist then digital obviously is preferable for speed and cost savings. If you want to save money on lab costs and believe that digital produces an acceptable image then again digital is the answer.

(5) Camera manufacturers (i.e. Nikon and Canon )want to sell cameras that are compatible with at least their current generation of lens's but also want to introduce a newer Digital formate for a niche market PJ's, so we now have the D2H camera with DX lens's...seems like a nice unite and a world leader in this genre if the spec's perform to par.

So what the bottom line, if you are prepared to subsidize camera maunufacturers Digital R & D and like the conveniences of Digital and want the ultimate Digital camera( Gee WIZ factor) then be prepared to change manufacturer's often, whoever has the hottest chip and lens combo that meets your particular photographic niche the month you are buying wins. You wont see a digital camera having the production longevity of say the F5. I believe Canon being a larger company than Nikon plus having a much larger investment in electronics R & D will propably introduce newer digital technologies at a faster rate.I.E. The new Canon Digital Rebel.

Lastly its all about the image, for now and the near future film is a clear leader!! Yes and I like Nikon, being in my early 50's Nikon was an ICON in my younger years and I could only afford a Canon FTB circa 1973, I now own a Nikon F80/Nikkor 24-120mmf/3.5-5.6G(IF) with a Minolta Elite 5400 scanner so I have the best of both worlds. Alan in Canada

Juan Monino , October 22, 2003; 11:24 P.M.

Film will be always the way for "perfectionism", it is expensive compared to digital, but it will always be there for the people that wants "perfect" quality.

Digital will be an acceptable quality technology for the standard market demand.

Same way we could compare traditional painting with electronicly created 'oleos', one will be done for the 'sensitive' market, the other for the mass consumer.

like hardwood floors and "pergo"

In the digital era, film will be the world of the "elites"

Ilkka Nissila , October 25, 2003; 05:49 A.M.

Actually digital images are more "perfect" (true to life) than film images, but their aesthetic qualities are different.

George Herman , November 21, 2003; 09:55 A.M.

There's a lot going on these days saying you need a lot more of pixels to do a proper job. I don't agree. Having a Nikon D1 and a D1X i can tell you that big prints up to 120x80 cm are no problem at all. Rip's on today plate machines and printers do a wonderfull job !!! So does Capture 4. I'm staying NIkon because D1X and new D2H are real workhorses that support bad weather and havy duty and the knowlegde of Nikon to produce images is the best arround. Big files are needed by amateur photographers to expose their work on exhibitions or for Pro that sell their images in large format, but 95 % of all work Pro and amateur will not be printed greater than a 1/4 of a page. So why are people participating in the pixel competition.

All the X megapixel thing is an invention of camera manufacturers. Same thing as we see in computers. But i say if you're satisfied with your results, don't bother and keep with it.I don't need the latest Mac to handle my pictures and stock them. It's the same with Digital SLR's. My D1 turns every day and the results are very good (I prefer D1X for portraits because it's better skin tones).

On the other hand if i really need a big file, i take pictures with my Mamiya RB and scan them afterwards, but this concerns only 5 % of the work i do.

So I think the D2H will be a wonderfull camera. Friends of mine tested it and it give great pictures with low noise and for sport photographers 40 images in 5 seconds is the end. I'm waiting to see what the D2X will have to offer (because the 4,5 im/s on 21 views is ok for me so the D1X does it ok), but if there are no significant differences i'll get stick to my D1X.

Daniel Bayer , December 13, 2003; 12:40 P.M.

Hmm, Intersting. I have found by spending over $4,000 on the latest mac laptop and putting a 7,200 rpm drive in it, I am getting FAR better results than I did before.

I also find that the pixel war is a very valid one. I win BIG time when I take an image shot with a 6.3 MP camera and enlarge it to 40x60 for a show that it is stunning.Then it turns around and sells for $2,300!!

I also have found that I have far more luck with Getty accepting digital pics if they are of a lager file size.

These are all "PRO" level arguments.

Nikon is sorely behind and will be light years behind after canon releases a new full frame, 8 frame per second, 8 MEGAPIXEL super pro body in Feburary.

This new rig will span the gap nicely between the 1D and 1DS with a much improved new type of raw file and matching software.

I'm sorry but this will indeed be Nikon's darkest hour.

I used Nikon for 16 years before switching earlier this month. The release of the old news'ish D2H was the nail in the coffin.

I still have two Nikon FM3A's and three great manual focusing primes.

Other than that, it's all Canon now.

I don't mean to bash Nikon, I was really dissapointed with the product pace and was not looking foreward to the stress of switching.

I won't be going back.

Daniel Bayer

Quang Nguyen Duc , December 24, 2003; 11:56 A.M.

I hopes Nikon soon release next version of D2 with a least 12 Megapixel and of course must weather_proof. It will be my first choice.

Ilkka Nissila , January 02, 2004; 02:25 P.M.

Personally I think the D2H is quite exciting. It has a real viewfinder, supports old lenses to the fullest, and has a sensor which produces much better images (from the samples that I've printed) than the current crop of 6 MP cameras. Such beautiful shadows & clear colours, wow.

Robert McLaughlin , January 28, 2004; 01:38 A.M.

I have a D2H. It is built like a tank. I went through three D100's in the last year, I was too tough on them. The price was the most I will pay, I know PMA will offer more but I cannot afford more. The D2H will do just fine, it meets my D100 in image quality.


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