Greg Barnett , May 12, 2003; 08:25 p.m.
Hi folks, I'm looking for a cheaper alternative to the Nikon Micro AF
200. I'm after nice magnification and good working distance (my 55mm
Micro doesn't give enough working distance). I notice there is a few
AF Nikkor 180mm f/2.8D IF-ED around at very good prices.
I also recall John Shaw did a lot of work with a 180mm lense. Anyone
have any thoughts on how this lense would perform for macro work if I
want to put some tubes behind it?
I also figure it would make a nice tele lense for my kit for non
macro work too.
Many thanks in advance.
Erik Loza , May 12, 2003; 09:20 p.m.
I used the 180AF version on a PN-11 extension ring for over a year to do the same thing you're talking about. I liked it and it handled nicely on the tripod but somehow found the results a wee bit soft. The slides went well up to 5X7 prints, but I'm not sure I'd trust them to page-size.
Lex (perpendicularity consultant) Jenkins 

, May 13, 2003; 12:00 a.m.
I've tried my old 180/2.8 pre-AI Nikkor with the M2 extension tube from my 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor. Works just fine, no loss of image quality.
Ditto the same tube with my 105/2.5 AI Nikkor. Again, excellent results.
Not very handy tho', and I have a Vivitar Series 1 70-210/2.8-4 true close focusing zoom that's just as good up close between 100-150mm with the same magnification and much handier. (I tested every lens and combination I own using TMX, so this is a reasonably well qualified opinion.)
Ilkka Nissila 
, May 13, 2003; 02:18 a.m.
The cheaper alternative is the manual-focus Ai-S Micro-Nikkor 200 mm f/4, which goes to 1:2 without accessories.
John N. Wall , May 13, 2003; 04:39 a.m.
The 180 f/2.8 is a wonderful lens, one of the all-time great Nikkors for general shooting. I have used the Nikkor 180 mm AF lens with the Canon 500D close-up diopter (with a 72>77 adapter ring) as part of a light-weight kit while traveling and had very good results. Haven't compared them directly to slides taken with my 200 mm Nikkor macro, but preliminary results look quite positive. The major drawback is the lack of a tripod mount on the 180. I use an L-bracket on the body to facilitate switching from horizontal to vertical format. Works OK, not as neatly as the 200 mm macro but fine when traveling.
Jason Michael , May 13, 2003; 10:37 a.m.
I've been interested in the Nikon 180 f2.8 AF-D IF (N) for quite some time now and
I've been looking at used prices and for some reason they seem really quite low. Is
there any reason this lens would be relatively less expensive than other used Nikkors
(in general)? Is there that many of them out there? Are people dissapointed with
some aspect of the lens? Is the autofocus too slow? Or is it just that everyone and
their grandma's own the 80-200 f2.8?
Arvind Sankar , May 13, 2003; 01:24 p.m.
Hey Jason, could you tell me where you see the cheapo 180/2.8s? I checked KEH but the prices there for the non-D version are $415 in E condition. The new D-type is $635 at B&H (grey market). That doesn't look very cheap to me, though every little bit helps..
I'm asking because I am also interested in getting a 180/2.8.
Lex (perpendicularity consultant) Jenkins 

, May 13, 2003; 01:27 p.m.
Jason, the 180mm focal length for 35mm format is just a sleeper. This seems to be the case in every camera brand that offers or offered such a focal length, including Olympus.
I think it's regarded as neither fish nor bicycle by many photographers, too long for portraiture (it's not, it's ideal for portraiture), too short for wildlife or action (again, not necessarily).
Originally its target was photojournalists needing a top notch, fast telephoto (see the Nikon Japan website for history: http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/society/nikkor/). When first introduced there were no commonly available zooms of equivalent focal length, speed and quality.
Since then, however, zooms have taken over and the 180mm is a niche product, appealing mostly to connoisseurs who appreciate a good value.
Duncan McMorrin , May 13, 2003; 01:54 p.m.
Greg,
you can pick up a grey market AF 70-180mm Zoom Micro for around $600...perhaps that's an alternative?
Bests, Duncan
Ilkka Nissila 
, May 13, 2003; 01:54 p.m.
The 180 mm is relatively inexpensive on the used market but it's quite expensive new (at least where I live). This has to do with the past. The 180 was priced noticeably lower than the 80-200 and I suppose since it's an excellent lens it sold quite well. Now, however, there are features such as AF-S and VR available for the zoom, so people trade it for the zoom. Consequently also the price of the 180 has gone up probably due to reduced sales.
Today I often just photograph with a set of primes: 35, 50, 105 and 180. I'm very happy with this kind of a setup although I have other choices in my closet gathering dust. I just love the low weight of the 180.