Florian Winterstein , Oct 08, 2004; 06:53 p.m.
How do I compute the hyperfocal distance with the D70?
I assume the difference in sensor size compared to a 35mm file is
a factor in the equation?
Jorge Ortega
, Oct 08, 2004; 06:59 p.m.
Your assumption is wrong. Hyperfocal distance is a factor of focal length not sensor size.
Florian Winterstein , Oct 08, 2004; 07:01 p.m.
But doesn't the smaller sensor size change the effective focal length (by maybe 1.5)?
Marshall Goff , Oct 08, 2004; 07:04 p.m.
For these purposes, no. Think of it as a crop instead of a change in focal length and you'll be pretty much there. In other words, a 24mm lens has the same hyperfocal properties, but you only see the angle of view you'd see on a 36mm lens (if there were such a thing).
Alistair Windsor
, Oct 08, 2004; 08:19 p.m.
Given all the complaints about increased depth of field with crop factor digital SLRs
you would think it clear that the sensor size affects the depth of field.
First of all depth of field (and hyperfocal distance) are not absolutes. The depth of
field is based on a a concept known as circle of confusion. The circle of confusion is
roughly the largest spot on the sensor that will be seen as a point on the final print
(and hence is related to the size of the print). Fixing a print size the digital image
must be enlarged more to get the same size print. Thus the circle of confusion for the
digital is smaller than for film.
The hyperfocal distance is where the depth of field is infinite. It depends on the circle
of confusion, the focal length, and the f stop.
The usual optic formulae for simple lenses gives H = F^2/ (f*c) where F is the focal
length, f is the f stop and c is the diameter of the circle of confusion. Since the circle
of confusion (for a fixed spot size in a fixed size print) is smaller for digital this
means the hyperfocal distance is longer. The diameter of the circle of confusion is
1.5x smaller for the Nikon so the hyperfocal distance is 1.5x longer.
It is true that you crop but then to get to the same sized print as before you enlarge
more. This makes previously "sharp" areas appear "out of focus" and you no longer
have infinite depth of field.
Bob Atkins has an excellent tutorial on depth of field.
Jonathan Bloom , Oct 08, 2004; 08:56 p.m.
Alistair Windsor
, Oct 08, 2004; 10:55 p.m.
Paul de Vries , Oct 09, 2004; 05:30 a.m.
Alistair,
Thanks for your good explenation. You conclude that "The diameter of the circle of confusion is 1.5x smaller for the Nikon so the hyperfocal distance is 1.5x longer." but is not the hyperfocal distance shorter for the D70? A little math:
H=F^2/(f*c) can be rewritten to H*c = F^2/f.
When comparing two systems with the same lens we get:
H1=H2*c2/c1 where H1,c1=35mm system, H2,c2=D70
There the circle of confusion should be 1.5 times smaller for the D70
c1=1.5*c2
Thus H1=H2*c2/(1.5*c2)
H1 = H2 / 1.5
in words the Hyperfocal distance the D70 (H2) is 1.5 times shorter than that of a 35mm camera (H1)
Paul
LCT , Oct 09, 2004; 09:37 a.m.
AFAIK the hyperfocal distance formula is H = f^2/Nc+f where
f is the focal length, N the f number and c the circle of confusion
(CoC).
On this basis if one divide the CoC by 1.5 the hyperfocal
distance must be multiplied by 1.5 if i understand well.
Then if the D70 CoC is 0.02 against 0.03 for a 35mm
camera (0.03/1.5= 0.02), its hyperfocal distance is 1.5 times
longer IMHO.
Best,
LCT
LCT , Oct 09, 2004; 10:29 a.m.
... But to compare apples to apples we must take into
account the different field of view (FoV) of the D70 and the 35mm
camera.
For example, we have to mount a 50mm lens on the D70 to
get the same FoV as a 75mm lens on the 35mm camera.
Then at f/11 for instance we get an hyperfocal distance of
37.4ft for the D70 + 50mm lens against 56.1ft for the 35mm
camera with 75mm lens on the grounds of the above formula.
This way the D70 hyperfocal distance is finally 1.5 times
shorter that that of the 35mm camera.
Best,
LCT
Paul de Vries , Oct 09, 2004; 02:50 p.m.
Great, now I am really confused!
Let's forget about the math and be practical. If I take one of my lenses which show the DOF markings, what do they mean when I put this lens on the D70?
My feeling tels me that if I use these markings, the final photo will not be as sharp as I wanted. right?
LCT , Oct 10, 2004; 02:12 a.m.
Paul de Vries wrote: "If I take one of my lenses which show
the DOF markings, what do they mean when I put this lens on
the D70?"
You'll get a good approximation if you look at the DoF
markings of the nearest slower f stop of your lens i.e. the f/16
markings when you choose f/11 for instance.
Best,
LCT