Rene' Villela
, Mar 09, 2010; 01:41 a.m.
Hello everyone!
Decisions, decisions and more decisions!
I don't think anyone can really answer my question but maybe listening your opinions will help me to decide….
Which FX camera should I go for?
D700, D3s, D3 or wait a little longer and see if there is a D700s/D800 coming out soon?
First of all, prices where I live:
D700 - 1.800 USD
D3s - 4.216 USD
D3 - 2.792 USD (used with 6 month warranty)
First of all, money is not the problem. Though I feel a remour to spend so much money on a D3s because I know it is an overkill. I won't give it the use it deserves, I am not a good photographer to say I NEED IT and I am not a pro to say the camera will pay itself.
I am not planning to change formats. I need my D300 for my birds so I will just add another body.
So? My dilemma…
D700 - I don't like the 95% viewfinder and I hate the memory card door. I like the idea of it being the same size of my D300 and being able to just add my MB-D10 to it when ever I used a heavy lens on it. Also, I use a Kirk ball head and I have the L-bracket and camera plate for it.
D3 (used) - The problem I have is that it is used and comes with just 6 months warranty while the other 2 I can get them new with a blank warranty card from my local store. The body doesn't get any smaller and I will need to order the L-bracket from the USA again. I like the idea of dual memory cards.
D3s - Same as D3 but much more $$$ but a bit better ISO performance.
D700s/D800 - A rumor still! But according to my notes, the D700 came out just before a year after the D300/D3 was introduce so chances are that something could be in Nikon's oven. Then again, most probably it would have 95% viewfinder and the same memory card door. So the difference basically would be a bit better ISO performance with more cash involved.
Lenses is not a problem. I will get the 24-70 for the FX body and I also have all my FX primes to use with it.
Thank you for listening and I am sorry to bother you with something that has been talked so much here in the forum. For the past few days I've been reading all the FX/DX threads and still it hasn't helped me…..
Thank you for your patient and help…. Cheers!
Eric Arnold
, Mar 09, 2010; 01:57 a.m.
if you get the D3s now and the d700s/d800 has the same sensor and low-light performance in the fall, or whenever it comes out, will you regret getting it?
the sensible choice is probably the d700, but with FF, i think you have to ask yourself why you want it if you dont need it. for me, the answer would be that extra stop (or two) of high-ISO. for others, it might be full compatibility with older nikkors.
it's a hard choice as the d700 is close in price to what the d300 was when it came out.personally, i think a d300/d700 combo makes a lot of sense, and if you dont shoot weddings, is there really a compelling reason to get the d3? but i dont think you can go wrong with any of these choices really. sorry if that's not helpful, but it's kind of a personal thing.
Rene' Villela
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:07 a.m.
Eric.... Thanks! I think the FX with better ISO performance will be useful for me coz I love shooting at night. My D300 I use it up to ISO 800 so anything above will help. Night photography is what like most after avian.
Regrets? Nope! I never look back!
You are right, at my local store they are giving me the D700 for the exact amount I paid for my D300. The store manager already called me twice to see if I will go get it. :)
Dieter Schaefer
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:31 a.m.
NAS is incurable, isn't it? I might be missing something here, but to me night photography is done on a tripod and hence I don't see a reason to use high ISO - in fact, I do all my night shooting at ISO 200. So what is your real reason for needing an FX camera - or is it merely a want? The D700 seems to be the prudent choice - then again, it's your money.
Eric Arnold
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:38 a.m.
rene, if i had the cash i would get the D3s. that's a shoot-the-moon type move, but will come in handy if you are actually shooting the moon. or in moonlight. lol. other than that, the d700 makes more sense than a d3 since you already have the grip and L-bracket. there are no 'wrong' choices here, though, since these are all capable bodies. you know what you are getting into.
Rene' Villela
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:40 a.m.
Dieter... I agree! well, my NAS is not really that advance but let's not get into that...
Yes! I use a tripod but many, many, many times a year here in japan i am in a situations when the tripod would be not the right answer:
Don't you think?
Dieter Schaefer
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:53 a.m.
Well, I am waiting for the D400 that allegedly will have the back-illuminated Exmor R sensor delivering ISO performance at par with the current FX cameras. I am now heavily invested in DX lenses and have acquired what I need - no reason for me to take another hit by changing format. I will never spend the premium for the 24-70 and currently Nikon has no other option for a versatile walk-around FX lens.
Rene' Villela
, Mar 09, 2010; 02:54 a.m.
Also, many times a year, I find myself walking in BEAUTIFUL european cities and all I have is a body with a fast prime coz i hate to carry a tripod when I am relaxing. those are the times I wish I had an FX body with a better ISO.
I have been shooting SLR's since 1982 so let's just assume that I already know why I wand an FX body.
So let's go back to my question..... Which FX body? Thank you!
Another example
Chris Leck , Mar 09, 2010; 03:11 a.m.
I have a D700, but not the others. It's a great camera, and the least expensive of those you mention.
The other two bodies are much larger. I've found that I only ever like the larger body or vertical grip when shooting bike races or other activities where I have to shoot endless hours of verticals. Otherwise, I almost always prefer the smaller body. Even without a vertical grip, the D700 is not exactly small or light.
Since I mostly shoot live action, the ~95% viewfinder is not a problem, it's possibly a benefit. [I tend to frame too tightly anyhow.] I don't understand the memory card door issue. I think it works just fine, perhaps one of the last things I would complain about.
Here are the issues that I see:
- The AF points are clustered much too close together. I have a love/hate relationship with this body and this is 90% of the hate. It's countered by the high-ISO performance that I need. If the D700s/D800 fixes the AF arrangement, I'll dump the D700 in a heartbeat -- it bothers me that much.
- If you've built your lens selection around DX, FX throws everything off. For the way that I shoot, DX works better with available lenses. E.g., a 28-70mm f/2.8 on DX is nearly a perfect lens for shooting stage work from the front row. There's no FX equivalent. If shooting from the back of a theater on DX, a 70-200 works pretty well. On FX, a 70-200 tends to be too short. YMMV here, and probably will.
Matthew Brennan
, Mar 09, 2010; 03:26 a.m.
Hi Rene,
Since you already have the D300 which is a great camera, I'd wait a little longer to see if a D700 replacement arrives soon with the D3s sensor. The best reason to change bodies is to take advantage of the most recent technology. If I were in your position and considering the age of the D700 I'd be waiting to see what the next FX body specs are and hope it's a smaller D700 shape body with the upgraded sensor from the D3s and maybe some other improvements on your list of perferences. Best Wishes!