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Info about K2?

J Kami , Jan 23, 2005; 03:38 a.m.

I've just entered the Pentax world with a ME Super. A nice little camera. I've been eyeing a Pentax K2 for a couple of weeks but I've been able to find very little info about this camera. Would someone be able to provide some feedback on this camera? Thanks in advance

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Jochen Schrey , Jan 23, 2005; 06:48 a.m.

Most valuable / rare seems to be the K2DMD although I believe there's little chance to get a winder for it. A friend of mine had one and it took pictures. After my dissapointing LX I firmly believe in bigger is better (-pro). On the other hand most camera trouble I ever had was with electric or electronic parts. The K2 has some automatic mode, and some stop down lever if I'm right, but well its a electronic camera built in the 70s - I wouldn't rely on it. - Who knows if it stands one year of service? Who'd be to fix it? I'd forget it but would accept it as a gift. I wouldn't risk more than 20 Euro/$ on it. I'm a K1000, KX, MX user.

Jochen Schrey , Jan 23, 2005; 06:49 a.m.

Can't you download a manual for it on Pentax.com?

Manfred Wessendorf , Jan 23, 2005; 06:59 a.m.

Please have a look here Manfred

Manfred Wessendorf , Jan 23, 2005; 06:59 a.m.

http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/K/index.html

I dont know to enter URLs

Manfred

Franka T. Lieu , Jan 23, 2005; 07:25 a.m.

In fact the K2 is the Top of the Line body before the LX, and got everything you might want, independent Mirror lock, DOF Preview, ISO setting from 6 to 6400, SPD metering cell. Aperture AE with compensation at 1/4X to 4X.

Actually the Electronic part of these relatively early, but not so early ones are very stable. They have not acquire the more complicated electronics like the ME/ME Super but yet are already awat from earlier generation of electronics like the ES.

On top of that, this body is build like a Tank, and last. I have one for years and all I need to do is replace the battery every year ( routine work )

You can hop over to Bojidar Dimitrov Web site or the AOHC site for some more information.

Jerry Thirsty , Jan 23, 2005; 09:03 a.m.

The K2 is kind of peculiar (to my mind) in that the film speed and exposure compensation are set by a pair of narrow rings that surround the lens mount. On mine the film speed ring is difficult to adjust, and requires that I put pressure on that ring while I rotate the pair of rings together from side to side to jiggle it from one ASA setting to the next. Also, the mirror lock-up lever doesn't have much leverage, so if I use it 20 or 30 times in a row I usually end up with a sore thumb. I like the lock-up on the KX a lot better.

But other than those quirks of my particular body, it is very nice.

David Smith , Jan 23, 2005; 02:07 p.m.

I have been using a K2 for a little while now and have no reservations. It hasn't let me down and I love using it. I have read a lot of comments about the difficult ASA ring, and admittedly it is difficult to figure out but when used properly it's no problem. The trick is not to try to move both rings at the same time, it won't do this and you have to wiggle it back and forth like the comments above describe. But if you make sure the exposure compensation dial (black ring) is at the "1x" position, then push down on the ASA dial release button and turn *only the silver ring* by the grooves in it, it is easy to turn the dial from one end to the other.

J Kami , Jan 25, 2005; 12:19 a.m.

Thanks for the info everyone. I did read the K2 specs on the bdimitrov.de site but couldn't find much info about useability or mechanical/electrical problems with the camera. It seems like it is a "forgotten" camera as there isn't much out there - no one has an "I love the K2" or "Tough like the mountain" page, or a FAQ or anything.

I'm still undecided about the camera so any other feedback is welcome

JK

William Harrison , Jan 25, 2005; 06:18 p.m.

About a decade or so ago, I purchased a Pentax K2 for a now former girlfriend along with the 50mm F/1.4 lens. Since my Leica M-4 was accidentally dropped from tripod height along with the 135mm Hektor F/4.5 lens mounted on the Bellows II which was mounted on a Visoflex III, which was mounted on the camera body - there was a lot of kinetic energy/weight when the tripod accidentally fell to the concrete sidewalk.

Being a relatively poor former Graduate Student at the time, (I had just graduated with a degree in Library Science), I didn't have the funds available for the repair of my beloved Leica M-4 body.

So I "borrowed" the camera and the lens back and have been slowly adding to my Pentax K2 collection since. Currently, I am only "missing" a 35mm F/2.0 lens, which I will one day add. I believe this lens is somewhat rarer than the K2 body. Although my former girlfriend and I separated, but still remain friends, this camera and its wide array of Pentax lenses will be inherited by my daughter sometime in the near future.

In my decade plus years of experience, I have found that the K2 is worth more than it's weight in gold, has been extremely reliable and will produce quite excellent images - in short, I believe that it is a good and wise investment for many people who want to practice good 35mm photography with more than decent photographic equipment. By the way, I have always thought that the ME series and subsequent models were "tinnier" than the K2, etc. models.

Having said that, I must also point out that the quality of Pentax cameras and lenses, along with many other camera manufacturers, do not come near the image and mechanical quality of Leica cameras, lenses, projectors, and enlargers! Period!

If you wish to obtain more information about the K2 model, I would suggest that you read and/or obtain a copy of The (Honeywell) Pentax Way by Herbert Keppler. You'll have to find the edition which includes this and the other K models i.e. K2, KX and KM. At search at or through your public library and/or a search at either abe.com or alibris.com should prove fruitful. Probably, you'll end up looking at an early 1980's edition.

If you are fortunate to live near a larger city or do some traveling now and then, you might explore camera shops in the neigborhood and see might be available.

If you come across a used K2 body, open up the back and smell the back end of the camera. Smell? Yep, it will give you an indication as to whether there might be mildew and/or rust present; run the shutter speeds through a range of speeds while holding the camera up to your ear as it will give you an indication as to whether some CLA (Cleaning, Lubrication, and Adjustment) needs to be done. Listen to the gears when you advance the film as it will give the same indication, etc.

If you make a purchase through Ebay, make certain that the camera is in excellent to near mint or mint minus condition and see if the camera is under some kind of guarantee. When the camera arrives, check it out through the above method and then make your decision.

I suspect that all cameras of this vintage would be in need of a basic CLA to better insure that you will be using it for the next many years to be prepared to spend a little extra money to maintain the camera.

Hope this is useful.

Bill

J Kami , Jan 31, 2005; 02:38 a.m.

Bill, thanks for the insights. I really like the way the K2 handles but the store is asking a little too much (~$160 US). So, I'll keep watching it to see if the price drops into a more reasonable price point

William Harrison , Feb 01, 2005; 07:39 p.m.

J Kami:

You're more than welcome and thanks for your response!

However, if the camera is in excellent mechanical and optical condition with a 50mm F/1.4 lens, $160.00 (US) is a good buy in my mind. I believe I paid around $149.50 for my K2 w/50m F/1.4 a number of years ago and sent it in for a CLA and it has been working fine ever since.

By the way, last September, "our" oldest son, Matt (Sue's son) married a delightful young lady, Kaye, and I went around taking numerous candid shots before and after the wedding. (I used to be in the business.)

The "official" photographer used a recent high end Canon EOS and after Matt and Kaye received their "official" photos, Sue and I compared them with mine taken with the Pentax K2. Even with the slight difference in film (ISO 200 - my photos w/flash) and (ISO 100 - his photos w/flash), both of us thought that my photos were consistently sharper with better detail nearer the edges, etc., etc. - something that might be explained by the smaller aperature that I used due to the film/flash combination used.

Part of the difference might also lie in the fact that the optical and mechanical quality of the older lenses (1960's - 1970's) are generally still superior to the glass/plastic of current lenses for most popular SLR's.

Personally, I have nothing against Canon cameras and lenses, but in this case, there was a slight, but quite noticeable difference between the results from the two cameras - mine and his.

Quite frankly, I'd recommend that you put the camera on "hold" and save your money for it's future purchase. Hopefully, the camera shop will hold it for you and/or allow some kind of a payment agreement.

FYI - years - nay, decades, ago, when I decided that I was serious about getting into photography and not quite sure what I wanted to do with my life - I already had a BA degree from Simpson College in Iowa - I traded all of my meager Pentax equipment - an old H3v for a new Leica M-4 w/50mm DR Summicron lens, MR-4 light meter, skylight filter, lens shade and the "never ready" case. In those days, the camera shop allowed me to "time pay" this equipment over a 12 month period. Of course, it cost me an additional 10%, but what the hey.

Hopefully, this camera shop will permit you to do something similar - even if it's only a 3 or 6 month purchase program - it should something worthwhile to explore if you're serious about the K2. Again, my best wishes in your photographic endeavors.

Bill

J Kami , Feb 03, 2005; 12:29 a.m.

I also have a Canon EOS system and I had (am having) a tough time finding sharp/ high contrast lenses that don't cost a fortune (eg. non-L series). This is one reason that I have come back to manual focus cameras - great lenses are affordable.

The K2 I was looking at was body only so that it is why I thought $160 was too much. Its in excellent condition though. I'll stop in at the shop and see how flexible they are on the pricing. It wouldn't hurt to ask...

Thanks again for your insights

William Harrison , Feb 03, 2005; 09:37 p.m.

J Kami:

Another story:

After I graduated with my Master's Degree in Library Science (1994), I came back home and worked at RLI Insurance Company in Peoria, IL while I was sending out letters of application in the process of looking for my first library position, etc.

Sometime in the mid-summer, the company had a picnic/company gathering. While I was wandering around, I notice a photographer with two cameras hanging around his neck. One was a new Nikon with either an 85mm or a 105mm lens. The other camera hanging around his neck was an old screw mount rangefinder Leica - either a IIIf or a IIIg and the 90mm Elmar (F/4.0)

Since I am a Leica photographer, we started up a conversation. I was especially curious as to why he was carrying around a new Nikon with an auto-focus lens and a old Leica rangefinder with a 90mm lens. As the conversation progressed, he revealed to me that his new Nikon AF lens cost him around or over $1600.00 - $1700.00.

When I asked him how the two lenses compared, he readily admitted that the the old 90mm (screw mount) Elmar (F/4.0) was decidedly sharper; differentiated the colors far superior to that of the Nikon lens; and the image exhibited finer detail out to the edges.

Something that I new from my own experiences.

So the question that should arise in your mind is why bother to fool around with either Canon or Pentax cameras and consider going directly to using a Leica, especially if you're becoming very serious about consistently obtaining excellent photographic results.

Obviously, even used Leica photographic equipment is expensive, but if your after excellent results, the investment pays off in excellent photographic results over many decades.

If you don't wish to go that route, then further explore the purchase of the K2 body and do all that you can to insure excellent and consistent results with the photographic equipment at hand, i.e. hold the camera correctly to insure that you minimize camera shake or movement.

Hold the baseplate (bottom) of the camera in the palm of your left hand; if necessary curl the last two fingers over so that the bottom of the camera is resting on top of them; your thumb and first finger should grip the lens so that you can easily focus, change the aperature, etc. For vertical shots, the right side of the camera will rest on the pad of your thumb and the other side of the palm of your hand.

Your right hand grabs the left side of the camera so that your first (trigger) finger rests on the shutter release and your thumb rest behind the advance lever.

Your arms should be rested against the side of your body and the camera is will be "propped" in a tripod manner.

Although it is somewhat awkward to get used to at first, your photographs taken at slower shutters speeds should not show much camera movement, which is the source of many so-called un-sharp pictures.

This positioning should also help minimize internal camera movement that many SLR cameras exhibit due to mirror, aperature, and shutter movement or release.

With a rangefinder camera, there is nothing but the internal movement of the shutter release - which is faster responding, since there is no mirror to get out of the way, etc. - and I have easily hand held both the 50mm and 35mm lenses at an 1/8 second and "sometimes" at 1/4 second.

Of course, there are many other factors that either lead or contribute to unsharpness, i.e. film, developing processes and/or techniques, shutter speeds, focal length of the lens, and so on and so forth.

Then, of course, there is, I believe, a decided to substantial difference between good to excellent lenses made during the mid 1960's to the late 1970's and those which are manufactured - by and large - today. Even back then, there were notable differences.

When I was a staff photographer at the School of Medicine in Peoria, IL (University of Illinois - College of Medicine - Peoria (campus), I had to work with a 100mm F/4.0 Macro lens made by Nikon - a piece of junk in my mind.

When focusing at the closer ranges - say reproduction ratios of 1:5 to 1:1 (five times the negative size to the same size as the negative), this lens exhibited so much "curvature of field" that one could focus on the center of the image and find that the edges AND NEAR EDGES would be entirely out of focus or focus on the edges and have the NEAR EDGES AND CENTER out of focus. Even considering the fact that curvature of field can be - largely - corrected by stopping down, the process of stopping down calls for longer shutter speeds - which can permit camera movement to come into play to a greater degree and it possibly calls into play something known as "diffraction" whereby the image become progressively more and more unsharp do to stopping down more and more towards the smaller aperatures.

In contrast, the 100mm F/4.0 macro lens designed for the Leica SLR system was sharp corner to corner at the widest aperature even at a 1:1 ratio of reproduction. I know that because I used this lens more than several times while working at a camera shop.

Of course, there was matter of a significant price differece between the two lenses.

On the other hand, the focusing barrel of my old Leica 135mm Hektor F/4.5 lens, which is probably close to "celebrating" its 45th "birthday", is still as "tight" and "firm" as it was the day it left the factory in Germany. The same can not be said of many Nikon lenses of a similar vintage - I've seen more than a few of them where the focusing barrel is very, very loose, if not sloppy. Even all of my Pentax K lenses and my wife's Canon AE-1 FD lenses are still tight in focusing.

One of the many little things that make me regard Nikons as somewhat to very over-rated cameras and lenses.

Obviously, "quality" is a variable thing, something which you have noted in looking for sharp, contrasty, etc. images.

Of course, I am certain that you realize that you can even take lousy photographs with a Leica - all one has to do is not pay attention to holding the camera "correctly", or shooting with a Leica camera and lens and then projecting your slides on an old Bell & Howell cube projector where the image will be shown with a nice "orange" to "yellowish" color tinge, a poorly designed projecton lens, and a rather overheated slide chamber.

One of the nice things about Leica is that you could project and/or enlarge with the same quality as you originally made the image. Of course, Leitz/Leica no longer make enlargers, many of their enlargers modes are to be found on ebay, the older and better camera shops, and other places.

Well, forgive me for this long dissertation, but I do hope that you will find it useful and that the camera shop will work with you on the purchase of your K2 body.

Again, my best wishes in your photographic endeavors.

Bill

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