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Walter Collazo , Jun 10, 2008; 05:29 p.m.

It seems there are a million photographers and even a million more cameras to take photos.

I look through galleries and try to find what hasn't been done already.

So the question is, What is NEW in photography? I'm not talking about software or lenses. I'm talking about technique and subjects.

Any thoughts?

Answers

Victor Wei , Jun 10, 2008; 05:46 p.m.

As far as I'm concerned, every shot taken is new to the photographer - although the composition or the subject of each may appear to be similar to other photographs. It's like an artist creating a new painting - it's very subjective to others' interpretation.

Ellis Vener , Jun 10, 2008; 06:05 p.m.

What is new? The next photograph anyone makes.

Maris Rusis , Jun 10, 2008; 06:07 p.m.

In a sense there can't be anything new in photography just as there can't be anything new in any picture making medium, say oil painting or marble sculpture for example. The medium is the medium is the medium. Acrylic paint and fibreglass can closely mimic the appearance of oil paint or marble but aren't the NEW oil paint and marble.

Similarly, ink-jet printing can closely mimic the appearance of pictures made on light sensitive surfaces but no actual light is consumed. My printer works happily in the dark but I can't make photographs in the dark.

In another sense photography is always new. Even though everything is photographed daily by millions the art of photography is made new every time someone does something for the first time or someone sees something for the first time. Art is not renewed by the eternal pursuit of difference but by the repeated affirmation of personal creativity.

John Kelly , Jun 10, 2008; 08:31 p.m.

"I'm not talking about software or lenses. I'm talking about technique and subjects."

"Technique" points primarily to software today (post processing, HDR, extended tonal scale etc).

See Soundslides.com for examples of technique now required by most newspapers when they hire young photojournalists (Soundslides specifically).

Photojournalists are increasingly required to be fluent with still photography, location sound recording, video...and of course writing skills are far more important than they were when media could afford to send multiple specialists to a story.

The convergence of still, video, and sound is well underway. See SCARLET for one reason...Nikon and Canon are both at risk. http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/red-shows-off-5k-epic-camera/

Walter Collazo , Jun 11, 2008; 09:11 a.m.

Very good points. I've been scooping up photo mags to see what's hot in Photography. What subject is the De jour so to speak. I'm looking to shoot interesting photos without it being just another subject that has been shoot millions of times. When I was living in NY, the streets were full of vendors with all the same photos for sale. The Empire state Building, The Statue of Liberty, John Lennon with a NYC shirt. ect.

I thought about this topic because I was watching a show on Ovation, a new art channel and it was a documentary on photography. It went into the history of it and how in the 70's pros still prefered B&W. Photos taken in color was thought to be amature.

Ilkka Nissila , Jun 11, 2008; 11:18 a.m.

John, you always talk about the convergence of still and video photography. A paper, however, can't present a video outside of Harry Potter books. You need electronic gadgetry to present a (digital) video. This is a fundamental difference between photography and video and something which prevents them from converging. Online is a different story but the quality of online video is so poor that it's almost unwatchable. Only at the lowest quality level imaginable is there any convergence of presentation.

Also, video is infinitely harder to control. A still photographer can create a masterpiece by him- or herself. A movie maker basically needs 1000 people working for a year and a limitless budget to make 3 hours of what is considered current in terms of technical and aesthetic quality.

No, there isn't any convergence.

Asher . , Jun 11, 2008; 11:26 a.m.

Your perspective can be new and unique. Two photographers shooting the same scene will see very differently. There are also plenty of as yet untapped ideas out there.

Glenn Rasmussen , Jun 11, 2008; 12:15 p.m.

Multimedia; a still, sound and film/video presentation; has come a long way since its crude beginnings in the 70's when real time controller programming was required. Real slide and film projectors were necessary along with a component sound systems all controlled by an 8 bit processor and 32 meg of memory to present multi-screen extravaganzas touting a corporation's wonderous achievements. They were also popular with museums and civic entities. Technology changes but the presentations remain more or less the same.

"and of course writing skills are far more important than they were when media could afford to send multiple specialists to a story."

One couldn't tell that from reading what passes for news these days. However, it's fine if one has a 4th grade education and is content with a copy of Illustrated Classics' "The Hunchback of Notre Dame."

Ton Mestrom , Jun 11, 2008; 12:21 p.m.

Medical science has seen some technical novelty's concerning phototechniques. For the rest I'm with Asher:

"Your perspective can be new and unique"

John Kelly , Jun 11, 2008; 05:29 p.m.

"A movie maker basically needs 1000 people working for a year and a limitless budget to make 3 hours of what is considered current in terms of technical and aesthetic quality. "

That's hilariously, totally wrong. I only need point to Magnum and many regional newspapers.

And "what is considered current" is a silly concept. Who is it that does this "considering?"

John Kelly , Jun 11, 2008; 06:04 p.m.

Ilkka, tourist trash photogalleries will continue to display color sunset and duckie prints forever. I didn't say convergence would kill still photography, but sites like Photo.net have already replaced most print making.

More on RED: http://www.kappastudios.com/?page_id=21

Glenn...there's fabulously good reporting all over the place, great writing (eg Economist, Atlantic Monthly, New Yorker, San Jose Mercury News): You're missing all sorts of opportunities, stunting your growth.

Glenn Rasmussen , Jun 11, 2008; 08:02 p.m.

"there's fabulously good reporting all over the place, great writing (eg Economist, Atlantic Monthly, New Yorker, San Jose Mercury News):"

John, with some regularity I read the first three, but I seem to remember a distinct lack of photojournalism in them. They're always a pleasure to read. National Geographic and the Smithsonian might have been better examples where image quality and writing are involved. I haven't seen a copy of the San Jose Mercury News since the earthquake in '89, when I was visiting San Jose on business, so I can't say what their news quality might be.

My stunted growth is due more to behavioral experimentation and a steady supply of cigars and pipe tobacco rather then a lack of critically intelligent input. Experientially, we are light years apart. What you read about and study, I've done. It's a wonder I'm not dead. Glenn

Jeff Spirer , Jun 11, 2008; 08:07 p.m.

A paper, however, can't present a video outside of Harry Potter books.

Most people look at screens, not paper. My commercial customers no longer want prints, they want images for screen display.

It doesn't take much to find the statistics, most people look at screens, not paper. And for years, great photographers from Robert Frank to Graciela Iturbide have gone from still photography to video. I'm hoping to start on some documentary video work with another photographer, if it works out, I expect it will become a more important piece of what I produce.

Paul Wilkins , Jun 12, 2008; 12:37 a.m.

"I look through galleries and try to find what hasn't been done already."

I suppose it could be argued that most lives have "been done already", never mind photographs... What's really new, eh...? But that doesn't (necessarily) make them uninteresting, does it? And they can still be worthwhile, I think...

Photography is a limiting medium, by its nature. As is life. Well, they're both dependent on reality to a large extent, and - in reality - there's only so much to be done, experienced, planned, and recorded. Most of the subtle and not-so-subtle variations have been explored in the past, to some degree or other.

"I'm not talking about software or lenses."

Hmm, perhaps we should be... The use of pre/post-processing software or non-standard (home-made/modified) lenses can allow photographers to record reality in ways that may not have been possible in the past. It's something I'm curious to experiment with, when I have time.

"Normal" photography, using commercially-available equipment, tends to be of the familiar "reproduce reality" variety... That's what most people want to do, and see. As such, any interest tends to be in the subject, rather than in the photographic approach. Most subjects have been covered countless times before, and the visual familiarity is certainly an attention-dissolving aspect in many instances.

Most "interesting" photographs are interesting to a particular viewer for one of two main reasons:

Firstly, the subject matter itself may be interesting to us. There can be many, many explanations for this, including having an interest in the photographer himself, of course... There may also be a very personal interest in certain subjects, naturally. Pets, friends, family, lovers, etc... That aside, most interest - if there happens to be any at all - comes from a lack of familiarity.

Secondly - and it's often a distant second - the particular viewpoint of the image may interest us. I'll also include the effects on the image of the capture method and any post-processing here. There are also certain other visual aspects (colour, shape, texture, etc...) that may be immediately appealling to us, of course, although they may not hold our interest for very long.

The presentation of the images may also be of interest to us, both in form and context. The slideshows and videos that John regularly refers to certainly shouldn't be dismissed as a fad... But clearly there's more to photography than whether it's displayed on paper or a screen... The visual content/style of the image itself is generally the primary aspect of interest to most people, not the presentation method...

The widespread use of digital photography and the internet have made certain types of image familiar to many. As such, the more familiar images have become tiresome to many. But if you wish to do something a little different, developments in technology are undoubtably a benefit.

Nick Jeftic , Jun 12, 2008; 04:00 a.m.

My grandmother used to by fresh coffee seeds, dry them in the sun and then roast them on her old wood stove. Then she would grind them.. twice.. Then she would cook the coffee in her little brass pot serve it with sugared fruit on the side and take it slowly sitting on the porch with my grandfather discussing world and family affairs.

Today for the espresso generation drinking coffee is a hit and run affair.

What is new in photography? Well I believe that that depends more on the way how WE observe art work than on the way it is produced. Van Gogh was new at the time but it took a different approach by the observer in order to recognize his genius.

Ilkka Nissila , Jun 12, 2008; 09:29 a.m.

The visual content/style of the image itself is generally the primary aspect of interest to most people, not the presentation method...

Right, but only a small part of the information content that a photograph or a movie can contain can be presented online. For some photography, it doesn't matter since the photographer didn't put the essential constituents of the photograph in the details. For others, a photograph including its details need to be studied at length in order to get a good impression of it. The same is true of movies. If you optimize your approach for online presentation, sure, something interesting can be created, but at least for me, I also want to see the details, and not just a rough sketch. If I wanted to see a movie through a sock, I would put one over my eyes.

Walter Collazo , Jun 12, 2008; 10:13 a.m.

When I look at the photos I want to take or have taken, I try to take something that is interesting, that may tell a story.

Now that I've upgraded my equipment from a Point & Shoot to a DSLR, I can concentrate more on improving the quality of my photos. Maybe even go back to previous places I've taken pictures and shooting the same subject to get a better result.

John Kelly , Jun 12, 2008; 10:26 a.m.

Ilkka, you're right : a very good print can SOMETIMES convey certain types of information better than can online presentation...but online presentation (and DVDs) can USUALLY convey far more information of other types, including movement, audio, and narrative.

My real interest is in photojournalism and other forms of professional photography, photography that most of us do admire or even aspire to.

There's more to photography than prints of mountains, rocks, seashores and ducks

The OT is "what's new." Nobody has said prints are dead.

Photojournalists of today, who in another era would be Capa, Duncan, Eugene Smith, are generally committed to convergence. Most shoot digital. Most write. Many record sound. Many transmit their images by satellite. Few process film. Few spend time in darkrooms. Most rarely see their photos as prints.

...and the work of Capa, Duncan, and Eugene Smith looks better today online (Magnum) than it ever did in Life Magazine...

http://www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=29

John Kelly , Jun 12, 2008; 11:24 a.m.

"Today for the espresso generation drinking coffee is a hit and run affair."

...like many civilized people, I've had espresso most of my adult life, almost daily since1965 or so (eg Mediterraneum, Berkeley and Trieste, San Francisco, and my own espresso pots: favorite version for 10 years is (link) and a modification I have not tried .. http://yosemiteoutside.com/m/Blogs/A9D44263-90EE-42C3-9BFC-96B3FA673338.html). Only in recent years did I stop having it just before bed (didn't keep me awake, still doesn't agitate me the way drip coffee does).

Starbucks actually does OK if you stick to espresso and avoid the obesity- drinks.

Fred Goldsmith , Jun 12, 2008; 11:35 a.m.

I find it a great challenge to try to capture and convey things like movement, texture, time, audio, narrative . . . in a still image, a photograph. I also love films.

Ilkka Nissila , Jun 12, 2008; 12:23 p.m.

John, I undestand that the question is about what is new. It's just that to me, I've spent half my life in the presence of the web and I haven't noticed a "big change" - I think that today images and video presented online, at its best, is informative and can be beautiful but the vast majority of the video are of poor quality, so I haven't even bothered to install flash player on all my computers. I am a novice as a videographer but when I recorded video at a samba carnival, I got better results than what the no. 1 national newspaper published of the same event online, not just in terms of technical quality (the web presentation was small and technically poor) but also in terms of composition and content. This means that the magazine thinks that it's ok to have a poor quality video online and that effort should not be wasted on this part of the content. The BBC, on the other hand, frequently have interesting video content online. So my main counterargument is really that the attitude of the publishers and the quality of presentation is not at a level which I would think that is needed to make a breakthrough. Still images online, however, are often of very high quality nowadays, although I find that only certain kinds of images translate well into web presentation. I undestand that a lot of photojournalistic content is in this category, but photographs which contain many people suffer in the downsampling process. Sometimes there is a scene with several things happening at once and this can become a visually beautiful and interesting single photo if the print size is large enough. For the web you basically need to minimize the number of visual elements in order to present it successfully. It's like having a 4x6 print made, you can try to squint to see the expressions of the people in the crowd whereas in a large print, there can be multiple areas of interest in the photograph. But I guess I've only recently started to explore these kinds of images so for me I going in the opposite direction of what the majority of people are doing. What is important is that while online presentation has become easy and widespread, also making large high quality prints with minute control of every detail of the process has become possible in recent years (without having to pay wild prices for hand-made custom darkroom prints).

I understand that the general population is keen on using the web for presentation and sharing of still and video images. But a lot of people still go to movies, museums and galleries to see something which provides a bit more than a little screen can do. At least I would hope they do ... ;-) Ultimately technology may make this less and less important but for the time being I don't think online presentation can provide the highest levels of sensation for most types of visual arts. On the other hand it does allow rapid browsing of a lot of material which was hard to find in the 1980s. But I guess to me this does not feel "new".

Technology has also expanded the options for available light photography so that now it is possible to do beautiful images in near darkness hand-held. Virtually any lighting condition where humans can see is open to exploration with the camera (such as Canon 5D or Nikon D3). This was not the case before. And I think this will totally change the picture of what kind of people images are made and presented. In early days of photography, stiff images of posed people could only be made and they were black and white. When point and shoot cameras became popular, photography was thought to be best done in bright sunlight, of all things. Now the door has been opened for easy photography of people wherever they may be, without flash or tripod. At the moment this is limited to a few high end cameras but within a few years I would expect this capability to reach more and more people. This frees people to use light based on quality of light, instead of having a certain minimum of light as a requirement for a clean and sharp image. I think this is wildly changing photography. I think flash photography will eventually almost disappear.

The choice of angle of view has also been liberated by the new generation of sensors. There is no longer any restriction wrt. in which conditions a telephoto can be successfully used, leading to a more widespread use of narrow angle of views and the associated aesthetic.

There's more to photography than prints of mountains, rocks, seashores and ducks.

I don't understand why you have contempt towards still images of nature?

For me the requirement of a level of technical quality applies just as much to people photographs (even those of journalistic nature) as to nature. I believe that for a truly stunning photograph, it should have immediate appeal on a crude visual level and then like in Don Rosa's cartoons, special things should be revealed in the details, which add to the content of the photo. This is something which is difficult to achieve but when successful, it can be timeless.

In my recent carnival pictures, I have some pictures of the audience where several people are active either in looking after their children, or in awe of the dancers, or just meditating, and this is all within one photograph. It is like a miniature of society. I haven't yet been able to print it to my satisfaction but I will hopefully get there. No way could I present it successfully online.

But I suppose I am at some margin of the photography community.

John Kelly , Jun 12, 2008; 01:29 p.m.

Ilkka, you've only talked about you, not about the OT.

You mentioned your personal inabilty to print an alleged carnival photo...but it doesn't even exist, according to your rules. Your inability to print, much less post it, does not relate to the ability of others, who do these things wonderfully well. .

You described yourself as having limited technical ability to see the "new" on line. What's the value of your opinion about it, in that case?

You expressed your own "contempt" for fine photographers who are enthusiastic about online presentation, yet you have evidently not visited relevant sites (such as Magnum's or the portfolios at Soundslides.com or the presentations by virtually all major newspapers and magazines).

I don't "hold still images of nature" in contempt. I do find much of that genre trite, relying on Photoshopped neo-Velvia effects,exaggerated skys etc. But that's just my personal taste.

Ilkka Nissila , Jun 12, 2008; 02:56 p.m.

Ilkka, you've only talked about you, not about the OT.

I am talking about things that are new in my personal work due to technology changes. They're new also in the photography community at large, although since many things cannot be presented online, if you spend too much time online, you may never notice.

You mentioned your personal inabilty to print an alleged carnival photo...but it doesn't even exist, according to your rules.

I didn't say I was unable to print it. It was taken on Saturday and I've only made one test print of it, so it's hardly possible to conclude anything about my ability to make a print of it.The point is that because it is such a many-sided image taken in uneven light of the day it requires a bit more post-processing to make the best print. The reason its unpresentable online is because the expressions of the people, which are central components of the image, would not be clear in a tiny image as typically displayed on the web. Thanks to new technology, even a hobbiest can now make large color prints which are controlled to the smallest detail to underline points of the visual content.

You described yourself as having limited technical ability to see the "new" on line. What's the value of your opinion about it, in that case?

I must say that you have great ability to be deliberately disrespectful to other people in your comments. What happens online is just a small part of what is happening in photography, since the web's ability to showcase photography and video is technically handicapped by the limited bandwidth and long delays. I do see new things online, just that they're (to me) unremarkable compared to new things that can be done in print and in digital video when not limited by bandwidth. I believe the OP did not ask about what is specifically new in online photography, but photography as a whole.

You expressed your own "contempt" for fine photographers who are enthusiastic about online presentation, yet you have evidently not visited relevant sites (such as Magnum's or the portfolios at Soundslides.com or the presentations by virtually all major newspapers and magazines).

I do view newspaper and magazine still and video content quite often. I find it frequently inconvenient to access, garbled with advertisements which show disrespect to the viewer. I don't intend contempt towards multimedia people, it's just that the online video content which concerns issues relevant to me typically is not of high quality. Viewing articles that describe events far away is not as interesting to me. It's like National Geographic Traveler magazine - utterly superficial. I checked out soundslides.com and think the content is very good. Perhaps I am just prejudiced against such things because I prefer to be in control of my time, and the concept of timed presentation of stills is a bit alien to me. But I have to concede, the content is quite good.

I don't "hold still images of nature" in contempt. I do find much of that genre trite, relying on Photoshopped neo-Velvia effects,exaggerated skys etc. But that's just my personal taste.

Why did you single out "ducks" then, if not to express contempt? Bird photography has also become easier with digital capture, and of higher quality. As for excessive saturation, that's just a choice, not everyone does it. It seems to gather a lot of points if presenting images online. I think if you view the latest books by Frans Lanting you can see that there is a lot of new things which hadn't been done before. E.g. also digital has made UV and IR photography feasible for more people, which is interesting. In the photography of mountains, there are new developments which allow a more natural end result. Digital is certainly more color accurate than Velvia, unless the photographer deliberately distorts the colors. Dynamic range has improved due to developments sensor technology, basic image processing, and software tools. This means fewer high contrast images with pitch black shadows, and a more faithful reproduction of the scene. Digital image processing also allows very interesting black and white results to be obtained since the filtration (affecting the weights to each primary color) can be adjusted in post-processing. See Colin Homes' work (scanned 4x5 Velvia converted to B&W with impressive results) in Practical Photography a few years back. The tools to do selective adjustments are improving and this makes it possible to do higher quality local adjustments in images than before. This all affects landscape images. Trite? Hardly.

Also, in photomacrography there are developments since the digital capture technology allows smaller details to be recorded cleanly and with accurate colors.

Josemi Gondra , Jun 12, 2008; 02:59 p.m.

Walter, I mainly agree with the most simple and quick responses of Victor and Ellis: everything you make as new is basically new for everybody and perhaps someone could appreciate new details in old images, it is something completely subjective. I think that photography is basically to capture moments of life and you could capture other people - or yourself-, animals, landscapes, planets, particles, microscopic elements or whatever the technology does possible. On the other hand, photography is a science of light, and anytime you are shooting, you are capturing light, colors, intensities, transparency, opacity, texture and bla, bla, bla.. Here you could also use post-production that technology gives us more possibilities every year and in this aspect I think that photography is converging with painting, in the sense that you are changing and giving different color areas in your shot, exactly as an artist does. Anyway, many good photographs look like canvas painting.

Martin Sobey , Jun 12, 2008; 03:01 p.m.

What I do is new. Look at my fine art site link on my bio. New usually can only be linked to technology, such as my work. Without the digital medium, I couldn't achieve much of what I do, at least not with the refinement of my work. I couldn't have even taken the photo on my bio page without digital technology, also new and taken by a camera I invented -sorry not giving out that info:). My installations are new, as is the work within them- but I use simple techniques to get there. New is usually thinking outside the accepted parameters of a given field's usage, and pounding it into peoples brains to get accepted. New is being told that my work is too beautiful by gallery dealers- that they wouldn't know who to sell it to. New is the world looking at anti-aesthetic and seeing the heights of fine art. Photography can be new, but mostly it won't be - not without changes in thinking of what it is capable of. Photography is a hopelessly derivitive medium- I am guilty of it too. We just have to continually try to see things our way and hopefully make something NEW!

Walter Collazo , Jun 12, 2008; 04:37 p.m.

This has been the best thread I've seen in awhile. I love the input and the knowledge.

Giampi . , Jun 13, 2008; 01:20 a.m.

Anything that is new to you or other viewers. It's all relative...

Albert Darmali , Jun 13, 2008; 09:03 a.m.

I am the new thing in photography. :)

Paul Wilkins , Jun 13, 2008; 10:57 a.m.

TBH, it seems that not many people have thought about this matter, and have become distracted by trivial technical details...

Welcome to PN... ;)

Joe Carbonari , Jun 13, 2008; 11:11 a.m.

When I think of the same 12 musical notes or even 88 notes creating countless numbers of "new" songs with countless songs yet to be created, it seems the 12 megapixels is an even a greater universe in which to create something "new". To me the issue is one of value. What can be created that is of value seems to be a better question. Well aware of the subjective definitions of value, this is still where I am trying to direct my search.

Brad - , Jun 13, 2008; 12:04 p.m.

I got a new quick-release plate.

Giampi . , Jun 13, 2008; 05:13 p.m.

>>it seems the 12 megapixels is an even a greater universe in which to create something "new". <<

For me, the MP have nothing to do with creating - I think the creative process starts in the mind of the creator first. The tools necessary to bring that creative idea to fruition may differ but, they are consequent to the idea itself.

Digital imaging has certainly broadened the horizon as far as what is possible. However, lacking a new idea even those new, powerful tools would not be enough.

What do you mean by NEW anyways? NEW subjects? New techniques? New styles? Etc...

I think it would be easier to write about what's NOT new :)

Arthur Plumpton , Jun 13, 2008; 07:24 p.m.

Walter, if you are still reading the responses, check out Monsieur Garcin, of Marseille.

Don't have his full name in front of me, but his work is absolutely fresh and unexpected. A true artist, someone who retired from a career as an industrialist to take up photography (Hope for us all, but his work is matchless). Amazing stuff!

I'll try to get more details. He's just published a book (I think in French only, but it was reviewed briefly (much too briefly) in the UK "Black and White Photography", current issue.

If you want to see photography as art, this is it!

Arthur Plumpton , Jun 13, 2008; 07:30 p.m.

Walter, check out Monsieur Garcin, of Marseille.

Don't have his full name in front of me, but his work is absolutely fresh and unexpected. A true artist, someone who retired from a career as an industrialist to take up photography (Hope for us all, but his work is matchless). Amazing stuff!

I'll try to get more details. He's just published a book (I think in French only, but it was reviewed briefly (much too briefly) in the UK "Black and White Photography", current issue.

If you want to see photography as art, this is it!

Arthur Plumpton , Jun 13, 2008; 07:32 p.m.

Walter, you should check out photographer (Monsieur) Garcin, of Marseille.

Don't have his full name in front of me, but his work is absolutely fresh and unexpected. A true artist, someone who retired from a career as an industrialist to take up photography (Hope for us all, but his work is matchless). Amazing stuff!

I'll try to get more details. He's just published a book (I think in French only, but it was reviewed briefly (much too briefly) in the UK "Black and White Photography", current issue.

If you want to see photography as art, this is it!

Arthur Plumpton , Jun 13, 2008; 11:12 p.m.

Walter, you may find your answer in the photography of Gilbet Garcin and his landscapes of the imagination. Profound, humorous and disquieting.

A new imagination is at play here. His book "Tout peut arriver" (Loosely translated as 'Everything is possible') may be available from a multilingual bookseller. This is really new work. At 65, he turned to photography after a career as owner of a lamp manufacture, and has let loose an imagination that creates a new language of photography.

This is definitely new in photography. A short article depicting some of his work appeared in "Black and White Photography" (UK) in issue 84, April 2008.

Arthur Plumpton , Jun 14, 2008; 10:04 a.m.

Sorry for the triple talk - apparent problems with my internet Browser. Arthur

Joe Carbonari , Jun 14, 2008; 06:05 p.m.

The reason I used "new" is because it is in the initial question asked. Couldn't new be simply defined as something that didn't exist in its present form before this instance? I am more interested in your assertion that the creative process starts in the mind of the creator. If we assume that the creation must exist in some tangible form then it seems that artists have to master their medium before they are capable of creating. It also seems to me that the better one understands the medium the more creative that person can be. There is an interaction and synergy between the two.

Rene Tanaja , Jun 15, 2008; 03:39 p.m.

Moving photos with audio. I don't think this is the new thing in photography, frankly. It has, after all, been done by film (ie. movies), so this is more of a completely different realm. Or maybe it's a new gray area. I haven't seen much of that being done lately, but that's could be just where I am. And until someone comes with "the complete sensory experience" (one can say), it's little more than a poor attempt to simulate all of reality, and sounds rather gimmicky.

Online, or on-screen photos. Yes, it's true that digital display has taken much ground, but it still is something you see when you turn on your computer, or something on a screen. It still lacks the unique treatments in printing, and the tactile (or even just visually "tactile") qualities of print. Maybe it's good for the weekend tourist photographer or those who want some critique and discussion, like on this site, but it isn't quite satisfactory if you want the real experience of the image.

What's new in photography? For one thing, I think Photoshop and the like were the "new" thing in photography in the last ten or fifteen years. It gives you a lot more freedom in creativity, as well as allowing you to explore it much faster than in the darkroom. In terms of style, subject, etc., I don't think you can look at the last day, week, or even year and see what's new. It's like trends you see in music or art through the centuries. It's a continuous, slow change. If you compare the photographs of the last couple of decades and compare it with the 50's, or even earlier, you will probably start to see what's new. I haven't done much looking as such, but I have noticed that portraiture style and methods have changed very much since the days of Karsh, for example. As long as we keep taking images, new things will continue to appear, but it won't be immediately apparent as being new.

Daniel Bayer , Jun 16, 2008; 02:39 a.m.

What's new in photography?

Simple, attend Look3 / Festival of the Photograph and you will see what is new in photography.

And by the way Jeff, we looked at tons of prints and so do my clients actually. Some of us need a break from the cursed computer screen.

Daniel Bayer , Jun 16, 2008; 02:42 a.m.

Paul Wilkens wrote:

"The widespread use of digital photography and the internet have made certain types of image familiar to many. As such, the more familiar images have become tiresome to many. But if you wish to do something a little different, developments in technology are undoubtably a benefit."

Indeed developments in technology can be a benefit, but by no means absolutely necessary to embark on new journeys.

Bold new journeys take vision and that not always need to be coupled with a new technology, just some heart and soul.

Walter Collazo , Jun 16, 2008; 09:28 a.m.

Daniel, Aurther, Rene and everyone else.

Thanks so much for the input as this really helps in my development into Photography.

Steve Swinehart , Jun 16, 2008; 10:21 a.m.

"The convergence of still, video, and sound is well underway."

This isn't new. I have NO idea why people think this a new trend. In the early 1980's I worked at a business that regularly put together video productions using still photography, motion picture (film chained to video), video, sound, and when needed, graphics.

It was simply "multi-media" at that time and done for a variety of clients - including the Intel Corporation. Why is this suddenly "new"?

Because anyone can do it without the aid of a professional video production suite? Because it's digital and not done analog?

The idea of putting together different forms of media is NOT A NEW IDEA.

John Kelly , Jun 16, 2008; 02:07 p.m.

Steve, As manager of the animation studio (crew of 6-12, Forox animation camera, photo studio, E4 lab (we made our own color developer and processed both 35mm and 46mm film) I helped assemble San Francisco Experience, New York Experience, Taiwan's Worlds Fair exhibit, which all led, after I left, to the company's Smithsonian's Bicentennial Exhibit (1976) using one of IBM's prototype PCs controlling 88 slide and film projectors on one huge screen (a production version of that PC was introduced several years later).

That stuff's ancient history..yes we assembled images and sound, but so does opera. Online presentation is qualitatively different, primarily because of ease of production and ease of access, but also because of digital sound, digital photography, and digital graphics. .

Ultra-easy production and presentation at one's immediate desktop convenience with CD-quality sound is a qualitatively new thing via Soundslides and related methods...the ponderous "multi media" we both remember were only hints of things to come.

Don E , Jun 16, 2008; 03:39 p.m.

"Ultra-easy production and presentation at one's immediate desktop convenience with CD-quality sound is a qualitatively new thing via Soundslides and related methods..."

Multimedia was available on the desktop twenty years ago with Electronic Arts Deluxe Video and a few years later Commodore's Amiga Vision. There were plenty of free and shareware music applications such as Octamed, and video and animation software, as well as commercial products for the desktop. I've got a still running Amiga 3000 full of the stuff.

"Ultra easy", though it wasn't. It was either difficult or expensive or both to get photos or video onto a hard disk. 24 bit color scanners were hard to come by. Getting material off a computer was the same problem (a halfway decent color printer cost 10K).

The world wide web altered the playing field and gave direction to the development of multimedia.

Paul Wilkins , Jun 18, 2008; 06:35 p.m.

Daniel, no "bold new journeys", "vision", or "heart and soul" from myself this month, I'm afraid... Just the usual pasta/penis jokes and stuff...

http://koti.welho.com/pwilkins/index.html

The cheapo desk loupe was fun to play with for fifteen minutes though, so that was a new thing (to myself, I mean...).

Barry Fisher , Jun 18, 2008; 09:00 p.m.

Not sure its "new" but the trend I see now, is more towards on-line presentation, de-emphasizing prints and a new interest in sequencing images in slide show, multi-media. Sequencing isn't new, but the way some people are doing it, with audio and visual technics is evolving. You might look at web project called Some of this work is more than just old wine in a new bottle. Its where, to paraphrase Marshall McLuhan, the medium itself is part of the message. For instance, I like the stop motion study project, its been going on for a while but is fun to watch for a while, try:

http://www.stopmotionstudies.net/sms13/

Printed photos are fading, though I love prints. Video itself is coming in more as a general photographic tool and being used in new ways, i think the remarks above about what photojournalist are starting to do, and Jeff Spires comments are illustrative.

Some people are looking for new ways of seeing and then figuring out what is the available and coming technology in which to express it. I still think there's huge room in the area of documentary as well, employing the new technologies. And of course the biggest change is the deluge of images due to digital media and the internet. Makes it difficult to really be aware of something new that might be right under ones collective nose.

Barry Fisher , Jun 18, 2008; 09:45 p.m.

@ illsa

"Right, but only a small part of the information content that a photograph or a movie can contain can be presented online."

That's true, but misses the point of the question. It wasn't what should be new, it's what's new. Fact is, people are showing this content on the web more and more.

Barry Fisher , Jun 18, 2008; 09:49 p.m.

Some discussion on paper. Is that like in newspapers and mags? Fact is print journalism circulation has been proportionally shrinking and more are geting their info on line.

Cate Franklyn , Jun 19, 2008; 10:49 a.m.

Composition is what keeps photography new and alive. The subjects will always be the same i.e., scenic, still, portrait, nature, etc. But it is how the photographer not only sees it but presents it to a viewer that makes it new. I am new at stock photography and we are always asked for something different, that no one has done before. Reinvent the wheel but keep the wheel a wheel. So, I always look for new ways to photograph the same ole' thing. Not so much new things to photograph. My two cents on the subject.

Dan Melomedman , Jun 26, 2008; 03:39 p.m.

What's striking to me is how dull most of the gallery work is. I rarely see anything great and inspiring. Most of the gallery traffic is a boring cliche of what has been done over and over and over. The other extreme is stupid gimmicks. It's become fashionable to show gimmicky, cliche pseudo-humorous crap in galleries and pretend that it has merit. I guess it fills the void. Nothing new.

There is plenty of room for great still image work - it's just that we haven't had anyone radical and exciting the caliber of Robert Frank or Diane Arbus pop up recently. Video or film is a whole different story, and I wouldn't go as far as to compare the two or suggest one over the other. Also commercial interests, supply/demand and personal success are tangental, and not to be confused with great work. The majority may well prefer crap and cliche over quality for economic and trend or whatever reasons, but the majority is rarely a barometer of new and exciting art.

Animesh Ray , Jul 05, 2008; 03:43 a.m.

Originality missing? How's this for a unique vision?

http://www.lightstalkers.org/images/show/598672

Allen Herbert , Jul 05, 2008; 05:18 p.m.

How's this for a unique vision?

Yes,how.

What is NEW in photography

Nothing is new under heaven and earth.

Only new ways of seeing and understanding.

And the lemming only understood the call of the sea......

Catherine Van Kempen , Jul 09, 2008; 12:09 a.m.

Walter, I'm afraid that if you're looking to do something ground breaking, never been done before, show stopping your pretty much out of luck. Unless you are 100 times more talented and creative than the average photographer is, everything has been done before and probably better than you could ever do. The question is what is new to you. Cheers, Catherine

Anthony Stubbs , Jul 09, 2008; 12:33 a.m.

"I look through galleries and try to find what hasn't been done already."

Looking for something ...which hasn't been done...in the galleries? (cough) :~)

Catherine Van Kempen , Jul 09, 2008; 07:54 a.m.

Hey Anthony,

Speak for yourself!!!!

;)

Catherine

Desirae Ferguson , Jul 10, 2008; 04:44 p.m.

I think that the photo-journalistic approach to weddings and portraits is something new. When you think of all the new techniques developed throughout the life of photography.....If you are asking what's something new in the past 5 years, or 6 months, then no it's not. Time is relative.

Also "urban" photography is becoming more popular. Placing brides in their gorgeous gowns in front of grungy run down buildings or graffiti. Doing family portraits in industrial grounds. Portrait parties are starting to find their place as well...Those are all somewhat new, again, time is relative.

Also I think digital painting and editing, using tablets is relatively new as well. Maybe not in the big business world with companies like Disney, but new in the homes of photographers. A lot of photography studios/businesses are just now getting them because they are becoming more affordable. I can imagine that there are a lot of photographers on this site that have not used a tablet before. Now some people can argue that digital painting is not photography but for most that are using it, they use their own photographs and then alter those. So photography plays a key role. It also allows us to explore new techniques in editing our photos too. Anyways that is all I can think of for right now.

Charles Heckel , Jul 15, 2008; 03:45 p.m.

What's new in photography? You are. No one has ever seen anything in quite the same way as you, or had quite the same response to it, and if you can take a picture with complete attention to those two things, your subject in its singularity, and your response in its individuality, that picture will be something new. Once implicit comparisons enter the picture--and the search for novelty is one of matching your experience against an exhaustive list of such comparisons--your experience and expression of newness will become flat and stale.

Harry Joseph , Jul 27, 2008; 06:13 p.m.

"I look through galleries and try to find what hasn't been done already."

Photography is similar to music, especially Love Songs. What hasn't been sung that has been sung already.

Pooria Koleyni , Jul 29, 2008; 09:32 a.m.

Photos of people and daily life is always new . The way that we smile , cry and act. Event photography and photojournalism and documentary photography can be always new and depends on how a photographer think about them and how much we care and then just press the shutter. Look at how many photos each day we see on this website taken from sunset , sky and buildings and are they new ? but the photos that try to capture feelings , and the photos that make you think , they are always new Technique is not the thing that can make my photo new . It is my vision and the way that i look to the world. If we only try to make photos just because of making photo then we are repeating and repeating. Look at the most of the photos send everyday , using lots of post processing techniques and at then end those photos are only beautiful and nothing more. But the photos that you can make story about them and every time that you look you can find something new are will be always new.

It is not the technique that is important , it is the vision and thought behind the visor .

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