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View From Cape Perpetua, Oregon

This is the view Southward from U.S. 101, Cape Perpetua, Oregon. This is a color photo. The first attempted exposures were with 'matrix metering' but were so washed out in this mid-day scene, that no detail was discernible, and they appeared mostly white, washed out with mainly middle tones. This is an image with 'manual metering' which appears to have captured the varius 'zones' -- apologies to Ansel Adams. Your ratings and critiques are very welcome. (If you rate harshly or very critically, please attach a helpful and constructive comment/Please share your superior photographic knowledge to help improve my art.) Thanks! Enjoy! John. (Full frame and unmanipulated)


Bob Archer , November 02, 2004; 02:42 P.M.

Hi John, A very soothing and attractive picture. The composition and aesthetics are very good. 7/6

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John Crosley , November 02, 2004; 02:50 P.M.

Thanks Bob

A high rating means only as much as the photographer's taste, so I glanced at your portfolio -- WOW! WOW Again! Your rating means very much to me; your photos are wonderful; I'll be spending much time browsing your portfolio in coming days and weeks. I am not known for 'nature' or 'landscape' work, but I take what I find pleasing, I'm glad you found it pleasing. Respectfully, John.

John Crosley , November 02, 2004; 02:54 P.M.

No Photoshopping

Unlike many Photonetters who are Photoshopnetters and who enhance contrast greatly, the contrast in this image is in the original -- the exposure was chosen to enhance the contrast over what 'matrix metering' chose -- do you agree that 'manual metering' was a good choice? John

Hector Brandan , November 02, 2004; 02:57 P.M.

Very Good picture John, congratulations!!!

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John Crosley , November 02, 2004; 03:02 P.M.

Hector, thank you for the nice comment

It's especially nice coming from the man who appears to own the title of 'bird king' of Photo.net Love your bird shots. John

Antoni My¬úliborski , November 02, 2004; 03:10 P.M.

very nice picture, very atmospheric

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John Crosley , November 02, 2004; 03:19 P.M.

Antoni M

"Very Atmospheric" is a very good description of what I was trying to capture. This was a sunny blue day -- looking north, but this was looking south with moisture in the air at midday -- and the sun was showing all that moisture from the very thin clouds to the haze and the ocean spray. There was a noted photographer nearby -- a pro, I think -- and he was taking bird shots. We talked, and I turned him around and said "here, take this, it's the most magnificent photo you'd take today if you take it". I think he stuck to his bird shots. Too bad, in my opinion. Thanks for the nice comment. John

Glenn Mellen , November 02, 2004; 03:26 P.M.

Wonderfully done. Very moody; very nice tones. Excellent work. 7/6

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John Crosley , November 02, 2004; 03:31 P.M.

Glenn -- I am switching to 'manual' metering

for much of my work such as this. "Matrix metering' is fine for 'steet work' and various other work, but when I have a chance to study and 'read' a scene like this, I am switching to 'manual metering' more commonly. I learned that from my studio work (elsewhere shown, using models where I couldn't use 'A' setting and had to use 'M' setting), and am getting more comfortable with 'M' setting on my digital camera. Thanks for the very nice comment and the high rating. John

Emilian Chirila , November 03, 2004; 01:43 P.M.

Excellent shot.

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John Crosley , November 03, 2004; 10:37 P.M.


Thanks for the nice compliment. If you read the comments above, about the pro bird photographer, I even pointed him toward this scene and suggested he take a photo -- it was wonderful, but I am not sure he did.

He was interested in birds with his big Canon super zoom with its camouflage sleeve -- too bad, I think, if he didn't also even take just one frame of this magnificent scene. (But it required going way below what 'matrix metering' said to shoot it at, and stopping down considerably two to four stops -- I bracketed and am not sure how much this particular shot was stopped down. Other frames I took are very similar. I am so happy that this image is so well received. (My other attempts at posting 'pretty' photos have not been so well received, because I would not 'bump up' the contrast as critics such as Dennis Jones suggested, being averse to Photoshopping my images). You are always welcome in my portfolio. John.

John Crosley , November 04, 2004; 01:15 A.M.

Errata: This should be

properly titled: View, Cape Perpetua, from near Yachats, Oregon, not view 'from' Cape Perpetua if my memory serves me well. Sorry if I misled. It was just 15 minutes in a three-day drive. John.

B B , December 02, 2004; 02:35 P.M.

This as you already said is not your usual photo. Very interestin how you placed the rocks as silhouttes on midday sun. Great picture. Congratulations.

B. B.

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John Crosley , December 02, 2004; 03:45 P.M.

Thanks B.B.

Matrix metering gave such a blue/white washed out photo that I simply deleted it, wondered what to do with such 'stuff' and turned on 'manual metering' and used my head for once. I still have some brains that can outsmart 'matrix metering' -- it's a guide only. I learned that from Tiffany Araluce, whose work I admire, who routinely disdains matrix metering and comes out with 'edgy' results sometimes, some of which I love.

Ken Williams ... , December 31, 2004; 08:06 A.M.

Ah, found it John, and had fun looking for it! ....... Variety is one thing I admire in a photographer and you surely have that .

More shortly ...

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Kim Slonaker , December 31, 2004; 01:43 P.M.

Very nice landscape shot. I like the layers and contrasting grays in this.

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John Crosley , December 31, 2004; 02:41 P.M.


We at least have one thing in common (two actually). A love of the Oregon headlands above Heceta Head (here Cape Perpetua), and a love of variety in photography presentation. ;~)) Happy New Year.

John Crosley , December 31, 2004; 02:46 P.M.

Kim Slonaker

What's reallly interesting is that this is a 'color photograph' that has NOT been desaturated and it has all the original color. It's just that in the process of 1. shooting into the southerly sun and (2) manually stopping down to reveal the 'atmospherics' the color just didn't show through, and so (although I haven't desaturated it for comparison) it truly does appear B&W (or as the French would say N&B -- noir et blanc).

And, although you mention layering, which the photo truly has, I haven't even ventured into 'layers' in my Photoshopping; it's next on my list.

I'm so glad you stopped by and I appreciate your validation, as I almost never take 'scenics' -- 'landscapes' as so little is 'new' but in this case I felt I DID have something NEW to contribute.


John Crosley , December 24, 2008; 06:21 A.M.

This is a color photograph

Even though the tones in this photo are all Black and White, this is a color photo that never has been desaturated in camera, a digital darkroom, or otherwise.

That's because there was enormous contrast between the highlights and the darker areas, so that the highlights simply show as totally light areas, but scattered enough they do not show as 'blown out' areas, though indeed they are 'blow-outs' throughout. 'Blow-outs' needn't be fatal to a photo if they are scattered and represent 'specular highlights', as here.

The remainder of the scene has darks, which actually show as blacks and were forced onto the photo by my /intentional and gross underexposure using 'manual' exposure and review on the digital screen.

Taken with matrix metering, this was a pretty washed out and dreary scene, full of pale blues mixed with whites and lots of washout from the sunlight. It would have been a throwaway. Imagine shooting directly into the sun over a reflective ocean with misty skies scattering the sunlight.

This effect was accomplished by stopping down greatly -- two to four stops underexposure -- which would be revealed by EXIF information, and I will find out the true number of stops when it is available to me.

The wonderful part of such great underexposure not only was the resulting effective desaturation of the photo, but the way in which the 'mist' or spray from the ocean area mixed with moisture from the air thus could be visualized as it was carried over the headlands of this landmark, called Heceta Head, Oregon.

In almost any other view, such rising moisture could not be visualized at all.

I have never seen a photo -- other than a storm photo -- that shows such moisture being carried over the headlands, yet this was taken on a bright, clear, sunny and relatively calm day.

(This photo was taken with an original 80~200 mm Nikon Nikkor f 2.8,autofocus lens, legendary for its contrast and sharpness . . . my very first good auto lens, and a true standout -- an amazing lens by any standard and long reputed to be Nikon's 'best lens ever' - a Nikon classic.)

John (Crosley)

John Crosley , December 24, 2008; 06:24 A.M.

Moved from 'Black and White, Then and Now' Folder

This photo, taken and posted in 2004, was moved today to this folder from the Black and White, Then and Now' folder, which more and more has evolved into a 'street' folder, while I have now added this 'landscape' folder.

John (Crosley)

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