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Paul Chepikian , January 31, 2006; 11:57 P.M.

Something very compelling about this image. I'm not certain whether it's the motion of her hand, her eye making contact with the viewer, don't know but there is something there. About the only distsraction seems to be the shadow, watch, bracelet on her wrist. Otherwise, a very wonderful nude portrait. Congratulations.

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Jimmy Miller , February 01, 2006; 01:59 A.M.

Yeah, what he said. It is a very nice photo - different from most others (original).

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jf d , February 01, 2006; 04:35 A.M.

thank Paul & Jimmy I appreciate

Jack Blake , February 01, 2006; 12:09 P.M.

hmmm...

I don't usually comment negatively..

But my first reaction on seeing this shot in "Top Photos", (especially after just recieving 3/3's on portraits that I actually WORKED at), was "gee.. if it shows a body part it must be good, so perhaps I should be more opportunistic"..

Now granted, I know that MY images aren't very daring.. in fact I KNOW I'm pretty boring. And I guess this is a little daring. FAR more "daring" than anything in my portfolio..

But.. I just don't get it. The light is flat, the composition is awkward, angle is horrible.. it just looks like a lazy snapshot from the other side of the bed to me.. and a poor one at that.

And yet the ratings are great. There are FAR better images all over photonet (and in your portfolio) that get poorer ratings.. probably because the subjects are clothed.

Go figure.

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Bond Blackwell , February 01, 2006; 12:15 P.M.

what the...?

I completely agree with Jack on this one. I went to check out the top-photos, saw this one and was left scratching my head. I rarely comment negatively on photos either, but this one has inspired me to do so. Composition is lacking, the lighting is average at best. I just don't see any redeeming qualities to this image. Now mind you, I'm no expert on portraits or candids or whatever you would consider this image. I guess on this one, I just don't get it.

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Clint Dunn , February 01, 2006; 12:28 P.M.

I don't see it either...

A somewhat original photo, but not an asthetically pleasing image IMHO. I cannot fathom how anyone would see this as a 7/7.

Maybe these are the same people that always rate my photos 3/3 lol.

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Alberto Pareto , February 01, 2006; 12:48 P.M.

Sorry, could someone explain why this image can be seen in the top rated with 7/7 (5 ratings), while having a lot of lower ratings? By the way, you have better shots in your portfolio.

Regards Alberto

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Clint Dunn , February 01, 2006; 12:59 P.M.

Re: Albeto's comments

Alberto, the reason this photo is still in the number 1 position of top photos is because the category only updates once a day or so..which is stupid. Also, the 'top photos' category does not count any ratings unless they are posted anonymously. In other words, people like yourself who rate the photo will count against the photo's overall rating, but the top photos category ranks photos using only anonymous ratings from those who have rated through the 'rate recent' critique forum or similar. At least that is my understanding of how the system works.

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Todd Kuhns , February 01, 2006; 01:24 P.M.

I agree as well, technically this image is poorly done. It looks like a snapshot gone wrong. Yes, the motion in the hand and the sharp eye are interesting but that is it. You could crop only that, up the contrast to give the shot some life and then you might have something nice.

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Benjamin Bond , February 01, 2006; 03:32 P.M.

I have to agree as well...my first impression was that the photographer meant to post on RateMyRack.com

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Michael Haydon , February 01, 2006; 05:17 P.M.

about 2 to be honest

Yes it is poor, no doubt. I've seen a few of these recently. I might be wrong but could it be that the photographer timed the posting of this snap, phoned his/her fellow snappers and said 'as soon as you see my poor nude snapshot pop up, rate it 7/7' !? easily done.

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Bond Blackwell , February 01, 2006; 06:26 P.M.

I don't know if that's the case Michael, but it sure seems that there's some shenanigans going on here. Highly unlikely that a photo of this quality would magically get 6 anonymous 7/7 ratings.

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jf d , February 02, 2006; 03:35 A.M.

good morning

I am wery please of theses comments! Making jealous some good photographers and others (beleiving they are..)is quite pleasant! Go on guys success will come!!..lol And of course a big MERCI (in my french language)to all visitors with nice comments and ratings JF

Muriel caron , February 02, 2006; 03:44 A.M.

how wonderful is this shot ! so alive. It remembers a Cartier Bresson'photo... Thank you JFD for this sincere moment.

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Sergey Skleznev , February 02, 2006; 09:46 A.M.

My 5 (euro)cents

IMO, this shot is seird at least. Moreover, I find it very unpleasant. Here is nothing to talking about, and moreover - no reasons to put it on a top. Somebody here remembers Cartier Bresson... poor Cartier Bresson!

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Jan Peter , February 02, 2006; 10:01 A.M.

This is ridiculous

Hacking the TRP does not make this a good photo.

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jf d , February 02, 2006; 10:07 A.M.

Sergey I am sorry you don't like However pleased you had time to write while looking at it...or are you more interested than what you said...?

jf d , February 02, 2006; 11:38 A.M.

I am so please to have such a success and so many visitors for this photo. I can't hide it and I thank you all very much.

I will not make any more arguments with a few guys who take photography for anything but pleasure and forgot humour and fair play.

Amicalement

laurentiu posarlie , February 02, 2006; 12:14 P.M.

imposible

that is a mistery how a picture like this can be in top rated photos!

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Alberto Pareto , February 02, 2006; 12:45 P.M.

Thanks for your answer Clint. And I suppose it is too late now to get to the image and rate it anonymously ... you are supposed to go through the whole list of submissions, aren't you? Or is there a better way? Just to understand how this cryptic system works.

Alberto

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Robert Semnic , February 03, 2006; 03:02 A.M.

I will join most of the other authors in low rating of this photo. I usualy do not spend time on bad photos and do not rate low. Composition, light, person, movement, everything for me is under average. It is a miracle how this photo managed to recieve so many comments.

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John Peri , February 03, 2006; 04:56 A.M.

I think this is a very funny thread. The success of a photo is a function of how much attention it draws and not what any individual thinks of it. The fact that so many people love to hate it is pertinent to it's significance. Actually, I find it a compelling image and I understand why people are drawn to it!

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Mike Cheal , February 03, 2006; 05:48 A.M.

I'll stand up and be counted

My intitial reaction was I don't often see photos like this at the top of the pile so I took a proper look. The comments do make me wonder about how people deal with their judgement coming into question. As an artform, it's healthy that we are all forced to sometimes re-evaluate what we see as 'good' or 'bad'. The more I've seen of this photograph, the more I've liked it - much like a good record is rarely instantly loved but grows on you. Congrats jf

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Anders Hingel , February 03, 2006; 07:05 A.M.

In my view you seem all to be right, but you comment on different things. According to a number of very valid criteria this is indeed a bad photo (angle, composition, blurred etc) but it is also a photo with a very pronounced spell to it (the gesture of the girl, the eye, the surroundings of tissues etc). I therefore understand if someone would say that it is a photo that is doomed to receive 3-4/3-4 or 6-7:6-7 - but never 5/5. In front of such a photo you take position. That might be the ultimate quality of the thing. I would love to see the similar type of discussion when we next time get a 7/7 photo on the screen of the traditional scene of over saturated landscapes.

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Paul Chepikian , February 04, 2006; 03:07 A.M.

Well there you have it, JfD. As they say, the gallery has spoken. It is all subjective isn't it? You have caused ripples in the pond, take pride in that. I gave you the first comment on this one and though it is merely my opinion, I still feel the photo is compelling. Suffice it to say, we all have an opinion. Good luck!

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jf d , February 04, 2006; 04:13 P.M.

feelings...

First : I am not pride. WE feel happy an pleased!

1 photo top first rated.

4 photos in the 13 first better ranking.

1 folder in the 6 more view. 2 photos over 50000 views.

All this, just 12 days after joining PN.

What a wonderfull welcome! So 0.0000...% unlucky people, shows the very best and good fair play of PN participants.

REALLY THANK YOU

Photography for my Muse and I is a pleasure only.

We do hope to give as many as possible good moments to PN participants even if we know how difficult it will be to do it again

Carpe diem.

and ..."good night and good luck"

Such a free place is rare... preserve it!

Sincere regards JF & Muriel

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