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A European Starling in sunlight

Comments much appreciated, thanks.


Tommy Armour , February 08, 2007; 02:43 P.M.

Impressive bird and framing!

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A LaCroix , February 08, 2007; 02:59 P.M.

Hi Mary. Very well done. I think I would have cropped a bit more off the top. Nice detail and complementing DOF.

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Mary Fran Loggans , February 08, 2007; 03:14 P.M.

Thanks Tommy and Allan, maybe more like a 4x6 print would work better. OK to crop, it's when you have to add that I get nervous! ;) Thanks

Linda Davidson , February 08, 2007; 04:17 P.M.

Hi Mary Fran,

Another exquisitly beautiful bird shot. I think this is in perfect balance and would be ruined if you cropped out any of your background. I love little starling's flamboyant greeens and blues against the soft muted shades of the background. The turquoise line that you have used to frame the inside against the black really pulls the whole peice together in delightful visual harmony. I bet you have an amazing colour sense when it comes to clothes and decorating as well.



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Mary Fran Loggans , February 08, 2007; 05:16 P.M.

Thank you Linda, I love turquoise and blues, so catching this fella's colors really tickled me. I caught about 12 shots, and the slightest change of angle highlights different colors. Some angles show more blue, others the greens. Best color I've gotten yet. And very interesting, I couldn't see much of a difference if I tried to increase the saturation, must be a technical explanation somewhere so this is as he was. I do ok with decorating, but the framing thing is a challenge!

Bjørn-Tore Rekve Seim , February 08, 2007; 07:15 P.M.

I assume this must be a rare guest in your garden, by us they are in abundance. I love the metalic glow you have mananged to capture in the plumage of the Starling. The beauty of this bird spieces is underrated in my opinion. The details and composition works out very fine, likewise the light and cut, well done to you!

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Mary Fran Loggans , February 08, 2007; 09:07 P.M.

Thank you Bjorn, I can't say they are rare here, just tough to get close to. Mine are quite skittish, likely due to living in a rural and heavily wooded area, as I know other folks have some that are more tolerant. I think these guys adapt pretty readily to humans if exposed enough. Thanks again.

Samir Begovic , February 09, 2007; 12:18 A.M.

How the bokeh looks is probably the preference, but for me your backgrounds are like watercolor painted. I love them. I noticed a small artifact on the top, maybe from clone tool or something, but not too distracting. On grainy surfaces is usually hard to clone or heal. (Didn't clean the sensor yet?) Oh yeah, the bird. Really rare and fine colors. Very good quality photo. And finally the frame. It looks good. Adds to professional look etc., but I am still refusing to use it. Maybe we should use extra ratings only for a framing ; )

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Mary Fran Loggans , February 09, 2007; 03:07 A.M.

Thanks Samir, upper Right? No, haven't cleaned it--this weekend. Thought I got all the spots. I didn't work on the background on this to the degree I should have, removed one small twig upper right. I often will blur the backgound a little to soften the canvas even if there's no object and forgot. Was feeling "just" a little peer pressure on the frames, don't give in... :) I like the bokeh from that 400mm, still looking forward to some color again though...

Samir Begovic , February 09, 2007; 04:01 A.M.

Still not sure what this is , but it's here.

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Mary Fran Loggans , February 09, 2007; 01:32 P.M.

Not sure either, the twig was way over in the right corner. I'll try the healing brush on it. I know the gold is from some winter buds on a tree in the background, but kind of looks like a "smudge" in the bokeh.

Mary Fran Loggans , February 09, 2007; 03:19 P.M.

Samir, Just went out to take some shots, it was a smudge all right, on the polarizer lens!

William McCarey , February 09, 2007; 03:24 P.M.


Nice presentation, Ms Loggans! The quality of the image speaks for itself. Now that you have the power of CS2 at your fingertips, you gotta learn not to over-tweak. When it looks right to you, stop. There are a thousand more images to process. I have learned on PN the difference between critiques (which I call helpful information) and someone's personal preferences (which, sorry to say, I ignore). If you react to the former, you will grow. Reacting to the latter will drive you bonkers.

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Mary Fran Loggans , February 09, 2007; 03:39 P.M.

Thanks William, not to worry about over working a shot here, I dislike editing and really dislike some of the sharpening results so I'm reducing my output to the sharpest "out of the camera" with a touch of unsharp mask and that's it. I'll learn the techniques for that occasional shot that you love and want to salvage, but the rest are only keepers if they've earned it right out of the camera! This guy got very little attention except for the twig which might have been ok anyway, and I'd sure like to get more like him that don't require much! I've found "light" is my very best friend. (Kelby's books are on order.)

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