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Anyone drop out of NYIP, and why?

Debbie T , Apr 11, 2007; 11:31 p.m.

My photography is just a hobby, other than I do pictures for a dog rescue. I had no formal photography knowledge. Took a general photography course online that I loved, and got the basics down. The instructor had graduated from NYIP, so I thought ok, why not?

I struggled through all the film stuff for the first two units. I am now reading Unit 5, and finding most of it totally out of date. I have not enjoyed the projects at all, but well.....I did through Unit 3. I was used to online immediate feedback of a day or so, and now it's a month. I don't feel 90% of the feedback is of any help to me at all....I mean, really, if you want feedback, post on here, and people will be more than willing to break your ego. I have also found (as I have had two different instructors) that they like to talk about whatever you took a picture of, or stuff in the lesson instead of the photography end of the picture. I am in a major struggle now with the portrait assignment, as I have no desire to be a 'formal' portrait person. I do candids for family events, etc., but formal is not my thing. Basically, I have I "I don't care attitude" about all of it. I understand the basics of lighting, but getting people to sit down and do this with me, it's a have to thing.

I signed up for another online course through Perfect Picture School of Photography. I knew nothing about it, but the course sounded like my type of thing. I love the course, I love the feedback. I love doing the assignments....also was just doing a search on Bryan Peterson who started the school. Looks like his books anyway are highly favored here.

So...I enjoy that stuff, but then I have to force myself to do my NYIP stuff. So....is it a crime to quit in the middle of it?



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Dave Nelson - Atlanta, GA , Apr 12, 2007; 12:57 p.m.

I have never taken the NYIP courses, but they seem very out of date and out of touch with the world in general. That money could be much better spent on books and the time spent behind the camera or in front of PhotoShop.

Andy Szeto , Apr 12, 2007; 03:48 p.m.

After finished the first three assignments, I cannot move on to do the fourth one because, believe it or not, I cannot find any person willing to be my model for those portrait shots. Three years past and I cannot finish my fourth assignment and thus I cannot get my certificate. However I would not say I 'quit' because I did finish reading/viewing all the books, audio and video tapes. I have learned all the techniques (and did apply the knowledge a few times later). That was 7 years ago, which at that time digital photography wasn't as popular as today. Besides the 'film' section, all material still can be applied to today's photography. The NYIP course is intended to teach you 'everything' while many on-line courses are more specific to a topic. So I am glad that I took the NYIP course and I do not regret that I did not finish the course.

Debbie T , Apr 12, 2007; 03:54 p.m.

Actually Andy, I think that was what turned me off. I have heard all the tapes, and am still doing the reading, but can't find anyone to do my unit 4 assignments with me. I have BEGGED my relatives on Easter, as I had all my stuff, backdrops, some lights, etc., and everyone refused. I don't enjoy 'forcing' people to do this stuff, just for a bit of feedback that doesn't do a thing for me.

kevin b , Apr 14, 2007; 01:20 a.m.

Relatives don't work well for shooting... they just don't seem to want to model. When I started bringing my camera to family functions, I got all sorts of negative responses. My own mother even said "Dammit don't be taking my picture!".

So instead I spoke with some colleagues and I offered to give them free photos in turn for "experimenting" with their kids. The first woman let me set-up in her husband's work shop and we left it up for a week. On three different occasions I went over there and I shot their kids. She has since printed the photos and shown them off to her friends. Now I have about 12 people wanting me to take portraits of their family and children.

So I guess the key is to speak to a friend and ask them to volunteer to be a model in exchange for cheap prints. It worked for me.

As for NYIP, I guess you could say I'm disappointed. The material isn't dated (I mean the techniques behind photography hasn't changed over the years) but their photographic examples sure are dated. What bothers me is the website. When I signed up last summer, the site was updated every month with interviews, tips, and photos. But I've noticed the last update was October 2006. I'm not at all impressed with that.

Bruce Cahn , Apr 14, 2007; 09:26 a.m.

It sounds like the pathetic school I tried to attend c 1965. Actually I think it was the same school. They gave us nuts and bolts to photograph with a homemade view camera. I never even met an instructor, never received any instruction of any kind at all. After 2-3 sessions I realized it was a hustle and a waste of time. Worse than a waste because it made photography boring. Got out of there fast. The founder is no doubt dwelling in a warm and unpleasant place right now.

Nate Mathews , Apr 20, 2007; 03:15 a.m.

I looked into NYIP a little more than 5 years ago and I was not impressed. If I were you I?d drop out and take a night class at a community college. This way you will have face-to- face training and immediate feedback, real college credit, plus most Community Colleges require an instructor to have a master?s degree in the field from an accredited University. I doubt most of the NYIP instructors have a bachelors degree more less a masters, I think most of them grade assignments as a second job on the side. Oh, and the "certificates" you get from them don?t mean anything to a potential employer. Hope this helps. Nate

terry belden , Apr 25, 2007; 12:33 p.m.

I am half way through the nyip course, and find it very rewarding. and the main selling point for the course is they still teach the concept of film, which is truly superior to digital for now anyway.

David Stembaugh , Apr 29, 2007; 09:31 a.m.

I am getting ready to send in unit 4,5 and 6. I have actually enjoyed the course. Yes, some of the material is outdated(original printing was 1978) though they claim they update every year.The copyrights are farly current. I have found the crtiques of the projects helpful, and the videos(dvd's) helpful also. I especially enjoyed the ones with the late Monte Zucker. Some of us simply don't have time to go to a tradtional class- correspondence course can be done at one's own pace and lessons completed as will fit into a busy schedule. As for models, if you want to use family, wait for a special occassion. My daughter does not like to have her picture taken, but yesterday , when she graduated from business college, she was a more than willing model. I have asked strangers at the park and have never been turned down. Not every community college offers courses in photography. Iwould say hang there! Finish what you started and remember the goal you had in mind when you signed up.

Harry Joseph , May 07, 2007; 02:19 p.m.

I took the NYIP course about 15 years ago. Unfortunately because of my schedule and lack of discipline, I never got passed the first 3 units. I still kept sending them money and they still kept sending me lessons until I got all the lessons all in a nice harbound book case.

Although some of the material is rather limited, I got more out of those lessons than I did in a formal photography college course. As a matter of fact, I refered to the NYIP lessons often while I was taken a formal class, such as Color Photography 101. I would recomend the course for somebody that has a darkroom otherwise it gets kind of silly and complicated.

Currently I'm taking the NYIP Digital photography course. All the course material comes on a CD rather than a soft covered book. I wish they still used the books instead of the CD so you could read them on public transportation, but I guess you can allways print what's on the CD if you dont mind buying new ink cartridges. The lessons are clear and pretty straight forward, but once again rather limited.

It's like you are just skimming over the tip of the iceberg. I think most people on this forum would find the lessons too simplistic, but if you want to learn things right from the start, then I would recomend it. Jeez it only cost $35 a month, which beats those outrageously overpriced workshops that only last long enough for the information to go in one ear and out the other.

I guess I should mention that some of the extra credit assignments are more complicated than you think and are meant for more advanced users. I'm planning to finish this course and getting my NYIP Certificate since I didn't do that the last time.

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