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Old MC lenses on Maxxum 7D

stephen hawk , Jan 19, 2005; 03:01 p.m.

Is there any chance that the Konica Minolta Maxxum 7D will work with my ancient Minolta MC Rokkor lenses? I realize this would be a full-manual set-up: no AF, no auto aperature, etc. Even so, it would be nice to get a little more use out of the old glass, and I'd be using them mostly for tripod/tabletop stuff. If not the 7D, any other DSLR that might work? Or just ebay all the old Minolta stuff and get a 20D?

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Peter Blaise Monahon , Jan 19, 2005; 05:04 p.m.

Hi Stephen,

Yes, with an adapter.

Minolta made

2x M/A Converter-S

and

2x M/A Converter-L

to fit short and long Minolta manual focus MC/MD lenses onto Minolta A-mount auto focus cameras,

Note that these adapters are also 2x teleconvers.

Add that to the 1.53x teleconverter effect of the APS-C size smaller sensor in the KMADM7D SLR Konica Minolta Alpha/Dynax/Maxxum 7 Digital Single Lens Reflex camera, and you'll get a whopping 3.53x teleconverter effect (right? 2 + 1.53 = 3.53 - or is it 2 x 1.53 = 3.06?). Either way, a 50mm lens becomes effectively 176.5mm to 153mm - GEESH! (Anything below 24mm doesn't compute linearly, but suffice to say that even a full frame fish eye ... oh, why not just scan your film, eh?)

Other independent manufacturer's made Minolta-SR-lens-to-A-camera adapters that are reported to be 1.1x to 1.6x. (Sigma made an adapter that auto focused MC/MD lenses on the original Minolta AF 5000/7000/9000 35mm SLR cameras only - nice, but not germane here!)

... as will any T-mount (original Tamron mount) and modern Tamron Adaptall and ancient TX and so on, and any lens with an adapter that fits the Minolta A-mount, including M42 and so on.

Will anti shake work?

Will auto exposure be spot-on for any lens?

Will focus confirm?

Will the shutter release?

Will you like the result after metering in stop down mode?

... awaiting a response from someone who tries one!

Click!

Love and hugs,

Peter Blaise Monahon peterblaise@yahoo.com Konica Minolta Photographer http://www.peterblaisephotography.com/ http://www.konicaminoltaphotography.com/

PS - eBay all your film stuff at your own risk (have you TRIED a digital camera system for ALL your photographic needs?) and why not get a Konica Minolta DSLR - which is LESS expensive than ANY Canon DSLR with even just ONE IS Image Stabilization lens - , ya see, with the Konica Minolta DSLR, ALL lenses are effectively anti shake! ;-)


"Liz - Binoculars in the Moonlight", Minolta DiMage 7 (under $300 used) hand held - check the EXIF!

Frank Mueller , Jan 19, 2005; 10:08 p.m.

Sadly, any adapter that will allow you to use your manual focus Minolta lenses on a Minolta AF body, including the new DSLR, while retaining infinity focus must contain a glass element and act as a teleconverter. This means that the adapter will turn e.g. your precious 58mm f/1.2 into a shoddy 87mm f/1.8. IMHO this means that Minolta manual focus lenses are useless on the 7D - and as far as I know the same holds true for all other current DSLRs as well. However, the old lenses are far from useless when used on an appropriate camera body. I for one am not in a hurry to auction off mine ;-)

Guanajuato - Teatro Juarez

XD-7 with (I believe) MD 24mm f/2.8

Miguel Rodriguez , Jan 20, 2005; 11:23 a.m.

I too have plenty of manual focus minolta and some AF stuff. I got some nice glass off ebay thanks to guys that thought that Minolta was dead. In total I must have spent around $500 including a pair of SRT-101?s and a X-700. With $200 I got myself a 2800dpi scanner and have enjoyed my ana-digi setup. I look forward to getting myself a KM DSLR but wouldn?t get rid of my stuff for the sake of a 7D with a kit lens. I have a compact digital camera with 6MP and I havent got a single photo printed. Yes, I have lots in my PC but for whatever the reason, I always find fault with them whereas film and scanner have helped me improve my photo and let me use my old stuff. So, in few words, keep your stuff and start building your digital system separetely. You wont regret it.

Emmanouil Skoufos , Jan 20, 2005; 05:31 p.m.

there are adaptors that would allow you to mount MD/MC lenses on the maxxum bodies that does not function as a teleconverter. The problem is that the metering does not work... <P> I was at the same dillema with you, having a bunch of MC/MD stuff and just decided to sell them and buy a digital camera with AF lenses. You can find pretty reasonable used lenses at KEH and with a digital camera, a consumer grade lens gives better results because only its center (sharpest point) is used since the CCD is APS-sized... just my 2c. I did not regret it :)

Frank Mueller , Jan 20, 2005; 09:38 p.m.

There are adaptors that would allow you to mount MD/MC lenses on the maxxum bodies that does not function as a teleconverter. The problem is that the metering does not work.

If there is such an adaptor, it would not retain infinity focusing, meaning that you can only use the lenses for close-up work.

Manual focus lenses that can be used on Minolta AF cameras with a glassless adapter that retains infinity focus are mostly T-mount and M42 (Pentax screw mount) lenses. I believe that these can cause metering problems with some Maxxum cameras, but I think there is a workaround although I am not sure about the details of this issue. Again, this does not apply to Minolta manual focus lenses (MC/MD), which is what this thread is about.

stephen hawk , Jan 20, 2005; 11:53 p.m.

"oh, why not just scan your film, eh?" Well, Peter, after these thoughtful responses, that's exactly what I'm leaning toward.

"With $200 I got myself a 2800dpi scanner and have enjoyed my ana-digi setup." So, with that in mind, Miguel, which scanner are you using? The KM DiMage Scan Elite 5400 gets excellent reviews, but costs $650 and may be more than I need. Digital ICE seems to be the big feature with the 5400. And like you, I have P&S digital (Canon S400) which is fun, but in a year and a half have seen no reason to make a print. I run my Ektagraphic on a regular basis, though. FWIW, in addition to the S400, I've got an XD-11, an SRT-101 and a bag full of MC lenses. All are in perfect working order.

stephen hawk , Jan 21, 2005; 12:15 a.m.

Or, let's look at this a different way: what if I upped the budget to $1700 (like that's going to happen) and got the KM Maxxum 7D Minolta with Zoom Wide-Angle Telephoto AF D 28-100mm f/3.5-5.6 Autofocus Lens (from B&H, say.) Would that lens work on my XD-11? (Can you tell that I haven't trusted Minolta since the mid-80s when they abandoned lens compatibility?)

Sorry if I'm starting to sound twitchy, but I'm just trying to get the most out of the equipment. I may be wrong, but I've often thought that if I'd bought a Nikon back in '72 instead of a Minolta, none of this would matter.

Michael Hohner , Jan 21, 2005; 06:49 a.m.

Minolta AF lenses don't work on MF bodies. And if you had bought Nikon, the incompatibilities would only be more complicted and obscure.

Peter Blaise Monahon , Jan 21, 2005; 07:32 a.m.

Hi Frank and fellow Konica Minolta Photographers,

Of course, the Nikon and Pentax and Fuji (Nikon mount) and Kodak (Nikon mount) 35mm-based DSLRs have no problem (or selective problems in Nikon's case) using older pre-auto focus lenses. Does anyone know if Sigma and Canon (and even Olympus 4/3rd) also work with non auto focus lenses using adapters, such as Tamron Adaptall, Tamron T-mount, M42 and so on?

Let's see, the minimum Minolta-SR-lens-to-AF-body adapter I've found was reported to contain a glass elements offering "only" 1.1x teleconverter effect, PLUS the KMADM7DSLR camera's inherent 1.53x teleconverter effect due to cropping, = 2.63x total, so that 58mm would be 152.54mm equivalent by the time it hit the smaller-than-35mm-film APS-C-size sensor!

Although the sensor does not loose light, per se (only through cropping), the adapter does, so the 58mm f/1.2 = 152.54mm f/1.76 - WOW!

Not what you intended from a 58mm lens, but a 150mm f/1.8 lens?

And your complaint? ;-)

Also, with the Minolta-brand 2x adapter, that 58mm f/1.2 lens becomes 3.53x = 204.74mm f/2.4!!!

You have a 205mm f/2.4 in your camera kit right now - did you know that? ;-)

Actually, I'm looking forward to T-mount 500mm (= 765mm) and longer as a real benefit to KMADM7DSLR capture.

Ain't cropping fun!

However, like you, I'm NOT dumping my film cameras - NO WAY! I've got a film scanner, I have my film scanned to CD at developing, and when any digital camera still works in 10, 20, 30 or more years, like my Minolta FILM cameras do, and do perfectly well, I might add, then I'll consider if I want to discontinue capturing new film images.

Neat exploration - now let's see some pictures from someone using their KMADM7DSLR and non-auto focus lenses!

Click!

Love and hugs,

Peter Blaise Monahon Konica Minolta Olympus Contax Yashica Pentax Canon Nikon Nikkor Vivitar Tamron Samyang Cosina Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Agfa Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer (have I left anyone out?) peterblaise@yahoo.com http://www.peterblaisephotography.com/ http://www.konicaminoltaphotography.com/

Rokkor Fan , Jan 22, 2005; 04:32 a.m.

This is an interesting thread, but what it really boils down to is what you like shooting. You will get much better resolution shooting slide film or very good negative film with your Minolta body and using a good scanner to scan the files. How do I know? Well I run an EOS 1D Mark II beside my Minolta kit, and I have tested them against each other. There is still a difference in resolution between film and 8MP bodies, scanned on my Dimage Scan Elite 5400.

Digital is important for pros, but for amateur photographers keen for the best results you are MUCH better getting a cheap digicam for when you really need instant results, and shooting good film and scanning at high resolution with your Manual focus gear. Note - this resolution advantage is based upon use of a tripod.

Digital has advantages in terms of grain, and the high end bodies like the 1D Mk II (and I believe the 20D) have better high ISO performance than film (eg at 1600ASA or more) but if you are a resolution junkie, or like wide angle shots, the Minolta bodies and prime lenses are better than anything digital that costs less than $8000.

Cheers,

Antony

Shirish Joshi , Feb 08, 2005; 03:57 p.m.

To put in in one word - Yes - with some caveats (my knowledge is based on Maxxum7 film, though).

You get adapters that allow you to fit MC/MD to maxxum bodies ( I have both the plain adapter and the 2x, plenty on *bay).

You can also set the body to decouple the lens electronics but continue metering the light coming through the lens.

So you can take manually focused pictures in full manual mode or in shutter priority after manually setting your desired aperture.

Shirish Joshi , Feb 08, 2005; 10:20 p.m.

Error there. Should read "Aperture priority" rather than "shutter priority".

Peter Blaise Monahon , Apr 27, 2005; 03:15 p.m.

> Miguel Rodriguez wrote: > ... I have a compact digital camera > with 6MP and I havent got a single > photo printed .., for whatever the > reason, I always find fault with > them whereas film and scanner have > helped me improve my photo and let > me use my old stuff. So, in few words, > keep your stuff and start building > your digital system separetely. > You wont regret it ...

What 6mp digicam {make, model) has not given you a satisfactory image yet compared to you rold Minolta manual focus SLR system?

I used my MD7 Minolta DiMage 7 and my KMDA1 Konica Minolta DiMage A1 JUST like I use my MX700 Minolta X-700 - I could set up the digital camera to have equivalent controls of AEL Auto Exposure Lock, +/- Exposure Compensation, and so on. Same same!

So, what digicam did YOU get stuck with?

Click!

Love and hugs,

Peter Blaise Monahon Konica Minolta Olympus Contax Yashica Pentax Canon Nikon Nikkor Vivitar Tamron Samyang Cosina Fujifilm Ilford Kodak Agfa Adobe Hewlett Packard et cetera Photographer (have I left anyone out?) peterblaise@yahoo.com http://www.peterblaisephotography.com/ http://www.konicaminoltaphotography.com/

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